Huh... not expected such a reaction from you.Finally PC Master race and Sony Ponies can unite in their spec dread concern trolling.
Huh... not expected such a reaction from you.Finally PC Master race and Sony Ponies can unite in their spec dread concern trolling.
PC Master race and Sony Ponies? WTF.Finally PC Master race and Sony Ponies can unite in their spec dread concern trolling.
Klee also confirmed slightly over 12 NAVI TFLOPS
Does DF not have goood inside sources with MS anymore?
If it is 12 TFlops RDNA (2.0?) then AMD have some magic in store for CES2020 and Phil just undersold the console to a general audience.
I hope the insiders are right. It would be brilliant for everyone (who didn't upgrade their PC this year...).
The back engineering to figure out how it's not 12 is pretty funny.
Everyone with actual sources and information have said 12 because they are getting their information directly from Microsoft.
Relax dudeFinally PC Master race and Sony Ponies can unite in their spec dread concern trolling.
I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
The back engineering to figure out how it's not 12 is pretty funny.
Everyone with actual sources and information have said 12 because they are getting their information directly from Microsoft.
Naw. Not anywhere near enough vents to properly cool it. Taking into account the devkits. There's barely anymore venting than PS4 in those mockups.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
It doesn't need to be a blunder per se but it is again unnecessary messaging. And you are right they gave multipliers but why would you let it linger if its wrong? Yes the majority of people don't know what a flop is but they do know that 2x6=12 and not 10.X. If people are going to question MS wording that's not a good thing.It wouldn't be much of a blunder at all. MS only gave multipliers and those are true. The conclusions drawn from that are on the people who decided to do that. Besides, the vast majority of people have no clue what a TF is anyway. This would have no bearing on anything.
The 'strongest console' thing is protected by how they've worded that as well.
Looks like something off Robot Wars lol.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
If the first console has RTX then it's definitely going to happen - think of how easy it will be to market an upgrade after adding some more RTX cores (among other things) in a few years. The videos would sell it.
Yes, it's a joke. Apparently people are too wound up, so I'll tone it down :D
Cybertruck-esque. And I mean that in a good way.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
Naw. Not anywhere near enough vents to properly cool it. Taking into account the devkits. There's barely anymore venting than PS4 in those mockups.
why joke ? Who could be upset of 12tf nextbox, only pc fanboys and sony ponies :-)
I understand that it is but its best just not to say things like that if you don't believe it. Sarcasm does not appear all that obvious on message boards.Yes, it's a joke. Apparently people are too wound up, so I'll tone it down :D
Looks like a printer tbh. Also not a fan of the touch buttons you have, unless it just looks that way.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
Wow!
I think it will happen too I just wanted to know if someone from MS made a dumb comment and hinted at itThat looks really good, CrimsonNocturne
If the first console has RTX then it's definitely going to happen - think of how easy it will be to market an upgrade after adding some more RTX cores (among other things) in a few years. The videos would sell it.
I mean, it will happen anyway, why wouldn't it.
TFLOPS are most basically measuring compute power which GCN was a beast at, RDNA has toned down the compute but increased in other areas, that's why a 10 TFLOP 5700 XT beats a 12.5 TFLOP Vega 64, the 5700 XT tends to be clocked almost 500mhz higher.
Nice work dude, keep them coming.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
If it is 12 TFlops RDNA (2.0?) then AMD have some magic in store for CES2020 and Phil just undersold the console to a general audience.
I hope the insiders are right. It would be brilliant for everyone (who didn't sell a limb to upgrade their PC this year...).
Exactly. If it's 12 RDNA TF someone needs to explain why MS is only claiming 2x and not a much higher performance gain. Period.Finally, we're back to talking about what he actually said!
"We did the math - 2x the power of X1X"
Power doesn't just mean teraflops. It should take into consideration efficiency and be based on what the final actual performance is like. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's 12TFlops RDNA 2.0 and he just simply meant 6->12 but that seems like a long shot.
That was my thinking too. It makes pretty much no sense to be talking about 2x performance with regards to TFlops, when it would actually mean closer to 2.5x or to 3x (RDNA 2.0 mystery factor) the real world performance. He didn't say "more than 2x".
Unless Sony actually doesn't know the specs somehow and he's trying to undersell it at this stage or maybe he got it wrong or was actually just talking about teraflops for some reason.
But that sounds to me like wishful thinking to be honest. I know klee said 12 TF RDNA 2.0 but it could have been a misunderstanding. RDNA 2.0 and equivalent to about 12 TFlops GCN. That would actually make it seem plausible to be in a console unless AMD turned into efficiency wizards. The 5700XT was super hot.
It's entirely not MS's fault if people throw around TF numbers when they have never even touched the matter.MS will have a riot on their hands with the 12 TF numbers floating around if this is the case, and I'm sure they know that, which makes me believe it's actually 12 TF and not "equivalent to 12 GCN TF".
Discussing what Microsoft said is not downplaying, it's adhering to reality.Every single time a source comes out and says a high spec # for the next gen consoles. Someone tries to down play it and start talking about some low specs. Lol
Couldnt have said it better myself /threadThis is way simpler than the conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers are making it out to be out of some bizarre fear the Series X will be slightly more powerful than the PS5.
Microsoft trumpeted "6TF" for the entire marketing lead up of the One X.
They're now saying (or Phil is) " 2 times the GPU power". 2 x 6 = 12 people. Primary school math.
All this RDNA flops vs GCN flops vs Navi flops is just GAF leftovers channeling onQ23's "Pro is FP16 so it's actually an 8TF console" horse shit.
We shall see if history repeats itself. We don't have long to wait to see the specs of both of these devices.This is way simpler than the conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers are making it out to be out of some bizarre fear the Series X will be slightly more powerful than the PS5.
Microsoft trumpeted "6TF" for the entire marketing lead up of the One X.
They're now saying (or Phil is) " 2 times the GPU power". 2 x 6 = 12 people. Primary school math.
All this RDNA flops vs GCN flops vs Navi flops is just GAF leftovers channeling onQ23's "Pro is FP16 so it's actually an 8TF console" horse shit.
The simplest answer is the best answer.This is way simpler than the conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hat wearers are making it out to be out of some bizarre fear the Series X will be slightly more powerful than the PS5.
Microsoft trumpeted "6TF" for the entire marketing lead up of the One X.
They're now saying (or Phil is) " 2 times the GPU power". 2 x 6 = 12 people. Primary school math.
All this RDNA flops vs GCN flops vs Navi flops is just GAF leftovers channeling onQ23's "Pro is FP16 so it's actually an 8TF console" horse shit.
12 TF is literally 2x 6 TF, and TF is the basic measure of GPU compute power. It really is as simple as that. You can say a 12 TF RDNA GPU would be 2.5x the speed of the One X GPU, but in terms of raw power it's only 2x.Exactly. If it's 12 RDNA TF someone needs to explain why MS is only claiming 2x and not a much higher performance gain. Period.
It's entirely not MS's fault if people throw around TF numbers when they have never even touched the matter.
The only promise to which they've committed is "2x the GPU power", which is easy to accomplish.
Discussing what Microsoft said is not downplaying, it's adhering to reality.
Many holes are needed to cool down due to tall clocks like the devkit, good design.I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
So aside from Senua's character model in the Hellblade 2 trailer, there were a few other scenes in there where the camera switched to a first-person perspective. There was also that scene at the end with the giant rock monster dude thing. Those looked fairly achievable right? I could totally buy that being what next-gen graphics look like.
EDIT - This is the rock monster dude thing I'm talking about. He reminds me of Kronos from GoW3!
A TFLOP = Teraflop = A trillion floating point operations per second.TFLOPS are most basically measuring compute power which GCN was a beast at, RDNA has toned down the compute but increased in other areas, that's why a 10 TFLOP 5700 XT beats a 12.5 TFLOP Vega 64, the 5700 XT tends to be clocked almost 500mhz higher.
The GCN TFLOPS has been a point of argument for a long time, people claiming the Vega 64 beats the 1080 Ti & so on, it's not a surprise the shitposting comes to Consoles to.
Hey, saw this spin in another forum:
XBOX SERIES X GPU Alone will be almost 3 times more powerful than XBOX ONE X. Details: XBOX ONE X: 6 Teraflops GCN XBOX SERIES X: 12 TERAFLOPS RDNA 2.0 RDNA 2.0 is about 40-50% more powerful than GCN What that means is: 12 TERFALOPS RDNA 2.0 x 40% would equal to: 16.8 TERAFLOPS GCN which is almost 18 TFPS. 18 TFPS of GCN is 3 times more powerful than XBOX ONE X GCN GPU which is only 6 TFPS. That's how you would explain it.
Why would anyone be upset?why joke ? Who could be upset of 12tf nextbox, only pc fanboys and sony ponies :-)
why joke ? Who could be upset of 12tf nextbox, only pc fanboys and sony ponies :-)
And he still says PS5 has more FLOPS right?
Klee confirmed XSX is a little over 12TF Navi
Klee confirmed XSX is a little over 12TF Navi
The GCN's compute power is why it's TF number is out of whack, this has been known for a while.A TFLOP = Teraflop = A trillion floating point operations per second.
It does not matter what GPU you are on. Some GPU's are more efficient than others, but that calculation does not ever change.