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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Of course. I'm just making the point that at this point most AAA games look the way they do because of great art direction and clever programming, not technical specs. Personally I think a lot of Sony first party titles on the base PS4 look better than anything on the X yet the X has 3x the GPU power, a 500+ MHz CPU advantage and 5GB more RAM. The spec differences won't be anything like that between PS5 and XB2 from what we've heard.
There will be phenomenal looking games on both with games running at a higher resolution on the Series X (maybe 1800p vs 2160p).
I'm a 38 year old man who owns a gaming PC, an X, a Pro and a Switch. It's an opinion (which is shared by a lot of people in the industry), no need to get so defensive and start personally attacking people...
Klee is not insider....Another none name guy from internet. Like me and you. Nothing more....
He would be if he claimed the Xbox was the stronger one though, right?
That would not be a good look if they are pushing BC as a selling point all the while pushing digital adoption this generation. Plug and play around be the goal.
The 'V' dev kit we have seen. Duke has discussed it here and at B3D. It is all just rumours in either case.
that's pretty much it, yeah. Crazy that Klee had to get verified, twice.
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Stop already with this bs. Your input to this thread is less than zero.
Have you no self awareness?
Stop already with this bs. Your input to this thread is less than zero.
Have you no self awareness?
No. I dont believe in any word from people like him. No matters who says.
Nvidia RT solution is not the same than AMD solution. We have maybe a few days to wait to begin to compare. 6th Janury AMD CES Conference.
Oh if you just speak about this, it could be possible yes... or no. I hope so but it's too early to figure. First because drives are linked to a console, I am not sure you can read it on another one at least without the previous user/password. Than, there is the filesystem used that could differ and so depends on a possibility offered to upgrade... or not. Wait and see ;)
But people like MisterXmedia or whatever might be right...
Honestly, with posts like these:
How are you still around?
It's almost like he's not posting entirely in good faith or something.
User Banned (3 days): Antagonising other users
Just until Anthony Hopkins ban ends.
In 3 years, 5nm or even better node-based "slim" models will appear that replace the old models. In these new refreshes, they can use whatever memory they want as long as it is equal or superior to the launch console setup. I don't see a reason going for a crazy setup just so you will save money in 2023 when you are going to refresh the machine in 2023 anyway.
5700XT isn't bandwidth limited as, for instance, Vega 64 which was very bandwidth limited. If consoles would have had Vega 64 as a GPU, I would say they will probably have a much faster bus than Vega 64's because that GPU was suffocated but its memory setup. If consoles would have had 5700XT in them, I would say that (if we ignore the CPU for a second) they will probably have sub-5700XT memory bus because historically consoles had lower memory bandwidth than their PC counterpart if you consider the CPU.
Flute has 576GB/s setup, XSX has 560GB/s setup (according to the E3 CGI video), so I think we already have a ballpark for next-gen bandwidth.
you know, if Sony does use HBM, at least that means it would be easier for a mid-gen GPU refresh.
Can't believe how fast time flies, remember watching the PS4 reveal like it was yesterday. browsing over on GAF as the show rolled on. The Cerny bathtub references, and the bloodborn leaks and impressions by the GameTrailers crew (now EZ Allies)
Now we are here a couple of months away from the inevitable PS5 reveal.
Now we are here a couple of months away from the inevitable PS5 reveal.
There's a lot of assumptions on costs here, starting with the "divide by 2" which is likely wrong. Then you have to account for the cost of assembly (including the cost of the interposer chip) which isn't nearly cheap with any HBM solution and is essentially absent from a G6 system.
There's no need to start a "path" to a faster memory from some specific memory type. You can just as well go from G6 to some HBM3 in a future console revision.
Also, thus far, there are no indications whatsoever that HBM is in any way a better fit for typical gaming graphics workloads than GDDR.
I actually think that Zen2, RT and SSD are huge PR moves that blew people away. HBM2 would have fit in that list perfectly while GDDR6 isn't really interesting.
You all realise that even an 8TF PS5 when combined with a modern CPU and SSD will still be a more than capable console yeah?
As in it will still be capable of 4K60?
I imagine both better and worse. CGI has a different feel to it. This is something Klee mentioned in one of his posts about the game he saw - that while it was mind-blowing, it didn't look like CGI, it looked like a game.
RT and SSD I agree on, but by my recollection a Zen2 CPU was considered plainly obvious at that point in April, and Navi only slightly less so. I don't remember anyone being surprised by the APU at all.
Edit: Sorry for the double posts, I keep focusing on my reply and forgetting I just posted before.
The thing that got people excited was the 8c part of the Zen 2 announcement, the fact that we are getting a full 3700X more or less.
Again with Info_Ms there is no need interposer. This not a path to faster memory, this a path to cost reduction, less stack on HBM3 case and tinier bus to replace DDR4 with DDR5.
Generally I often see 8 GB of RAM cost half the price of 16 GB but maybe HBM is a new case.
You can replace the GDDR6 with HBM3 or any other cheaper setup in the 2023 console refresh.
MS specifically said one of the reasons they didn't go with HBM on Xbox One X was because of the difference in access behavior between that and other memory types, so I wouldn't assume it's going to be fully transparent. GDDR6 may have different control schemes than DDR, but the bank arrangement is the same.
This will cost more than the proposal I do. Here you have a faster pool of memory and a slower one. 16 GB of HBM3 will maybe be more expensive than 16GB of GDDR6 in 2/3 years and for sure more expensive than 8 GB of HBM3 + 12 GB of DDR5. The goal is to reduce cost and reduce to the minimum viable of fast RAM knowing there is a fast storage. My proposal only work with a fast SSD.
Not wishing to defend them, but if you look at the posts that they're responding to, they're not exactly any better than his/hers. Fact is there's a bunch of obnoxious fanboys on both 'sides' that ideally would be culled as soon as they're discovered. Unfortunately that just doesn't happen.
And what do people think this will cost? Going for ReRAM alongside SSD solution, having a screen on the controller.
People know that everything that goes into a console, including functionality that runs apps is going to up the cost to produce, right?
I will be clear too. I don't believe in HBM2 with more than 8GB. It we need more GDDR6 is a better choice.
I'm on the other side of the fence. I think you go 16GB of HBM2 and 4GB of LPDDR4 if you're going to commit to HBM. Then, you decouple the need for shared memory space in gaming workloads. The OS can live in the LPDDR4 and when you go on low power standby, you can live entirely in the LPDDR4. Managed by some sort of off-chip Southbridge-like device as seen on the PS4 Pro.
They've said that? They actually considered HBM2 which was ~250$ for 12GB in 2017? Well, I'm pretty sure ESRAM + DDR3 has a pretty different access pattern than a unified pool of GDDR5 so I'm sure that if they want to change the memory setup in 2023, they will manage :)
Two pools of memory actually used for games that one of them is HBM2 (like the 8GB HBM2 + whatever amount of DDR4 proposal) will result in more die space wasted and probably lower speeds and higher developer hassle than a unified GDDR6 pool.
I agree.
Apparently EETimes nuked the interview, and archive.org doesn't even have it. Sigh.
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