True. I was just curious how things would work with different HW RT implementations. Those 3rd Party games will also need RT on PC for NVIDIA cards too.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Friendship with Cerny ended. AMD test dumps is my new friend.
DS5 Back buttons?
New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
When you start accusing public figures of bold-faced lies, it's time to take a step back and reevaluate your approach to this conversation.
the kojipro announcement was a dream come true for me. literally, ive dreamed about kojima making ps4 exclusives lol. death stranding was a masterpiece and i hope to see sony invest more into these studios.
ive been hearing a lot about this uncharted studio. i hope to see a game from them. not sure why sony hasnt even announced it or given it a name. whats the manchester studio working on? vr?
also, i didnt say sony isnt investing in exclusives. ;p i was comparing their output to last gen which was utterly stacked from year 1. i wouldve expected them to continue putting out those 4-5 aaa games a year but the opposite happened. days gone and death stranding are two of my favorite games of the year so i cant complain too much, but i miss the years when we got uncharted, killzone, infamous, motorstorm, socom, resistance and lbp in the same year. (2011 look it up, absolutely mental)
I believe it's very likely the hardware differences next gen are going to be less noticeable than they were this gen. A 10tf vs 12tf difference between the new consoles is going to translate into barely distinguishable differences. Especially when the less powerful box is the higher selling one.
well, the id-buffer was in the GPU, the Sony chip could have a RT coprocessor from IMG tech inside the GPU chip and Cernys wording sounded deliberately ambiguous enough to fit this, but on the other hand this patent proofs nothing. I wish in fact it had a power vr wizard inside, as is the best RT hardware out there by far.
I'd say it's a testament to development cycles increasing and the standards they expect out of first-party games. There were a fair bit of delays on some games that just weren't ready, which to be fair, I think most appreciate more than releasing titles on a schedule.
Lockhart is 4TF. It's primarily a 1080/1440p box with an SSD and a much stronger CPU. It doesn't need to be significantly stronger for its purpose.
It's more like this thread is past sanity without details at this point, speculation is just ground for wishful thinking console wars.
Look, I understand not trusting Klee, even I don't agree with it. That being said, doubting Matt, Tom Warren and Jason Mothersneakfucking Schreier is not a good idea.
Thank goodness for a second I thought series x was really 10 tf GCN 😭
You need to clarify what this is in relation to. Because everyone is going to assume you mean Cerny, and you should clarify if it is him or Phil. No one is saying Cerny is lying about HW RT, just that it doesn't appear to be using AMD's solution.
Some people just know better! Saying Cerny lies is just incompetence on their side.
That being said, even great minds make mistakes. And if this "leaks" becomes true I think its a disappointment considering the output of the competition.
Maybe PS5 hardware RT is some offshoot implementation like Ps4 pro checkerboard 4k. Nothing wrong with that.
Reading the stuff about XSX you can say the same for them .
Both just said hardware RT so i guess that is why i don't find it ambiguous.
No one was, it was literally a discussion about a different implementation than what AMD is doing.
New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
Yesss, I knew it! It also explains the DS4 button attachment and why they bothered to release it so late. It's to make the DS4 compatible with the PS5.
This is a gamechanger for me personally. I wonder if first party devs are going to make more input intensive games now that everyone has those extra buttons.
I can agree with this.
I buy Sony or MS for different reasons than I buy Nintendo stuff or PC titles.
I'd love them to be as close as possible as well.
dont be so sure yet. They've patented a lot of stuff, that we cant be sure if it will be in the final controller.
Although yes, I'd love it too.
If is not AMDs is IMG tech's and it is like this:
IMG RT>>>>Nvidias half assed RT>>AMDs double half assed in texture unit RT.
I would say the mass market would understand two times the performance of XbX which is double that and not teraflops which they also never mentioned and why not do that if you know what they are.
I bet most people here know the difference in performance when it comes to rDNA and GCN but this is an enthusiast forum in an enthusiast thread about hardware.
9.6 teraflops is not double the teraflops of 6 but in this case (rDNA vs GCN) the performance would be. So what do you choose if you want to sell your machine if it is not 12 rDNA flops. Twice the performance sound a lot better than 60% more teraflops.
And marketing is not about keeping it simple it's about selling a product making it sound as good as humanly possible any way you can and saying two times stronger instead of two and a half if that is the case certainly is not that.
Once again I certainly don't want this to be true but how they are marketing this and selling a product short so to speak is strange to me at least.
New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
That looks like a revised DS4. All patents we seen so far for the DS5 shows different shape and no lightbar. This may be a potential plan to integrate the recently announced back button into a regular DS4
New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
Awesome, are you going to make a thread?
YESSS. So glad Sony is making rear buttons standard. Even though I bought a battle beaver and have been overall happy with it, it was pricey and one of the buttons is starting to not register the odd time.New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
Let's not rewrite what actually happened, you can read pages back and see some arguing about PS5 not having hardware RT.
Which public figures are we talking about? Albert Penello? Phil Spencer? Larry Hyrb? Frank O'Conner? There seems to be many accusations of Xbox execs, past and present, being liars or not knowing what they're talking about on boards like this all the time with no offense taken by very many, but now when someone points out that something seems off and non-committal regarding PS5's ray tracing support with respect to recent information we've received, people suddenly have a moral objection to not taking what an executive says at face value? Do we still remember the way Albert Penello was insulted for stating that Microsoft's expertise with DirectX is important?
Hell, Phil Spencer has all but confirmed 12TF RDNA minimum for Xbox Series X in more ways than one, and so many in here continue to state that he's misleading about GCN flops and can't possibly mean RDNA flops. How's that for a double standard?
Hell, Phil Spencer has all but confirmed 12TF RDNA minimum for Xbox Series X in more ways than one, and so many in here continue to state that he's misleading about GCN flops and can't possibly mean RDNA flops. How's that for a double standard?
Please quote me posts where people said "Cerny is lying!" please, because the majority of the conversation I was a part of was more surprised that Sony is possibly not using AMD's ray-tracing solution.
New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
I'd be very happy with 2 buttons on the back of the DS5 to match the DS4 attachment. So when playing PS5 games you can use all the normal buttons PLUS the 2 rear buttons instead of having them just be remapped buttons like on the PS4. And when you're using your DS4 on the PS5 you can utilize the attachment accessory to achieve the same effect.
I can understand some may want 4 buttons on the back, but I don't know if that's really needed for the mainline controller. If Sony decides to make their own Pro controller or continue to license that out to other companies those should have the 4 button options.
Ummm, this is DS4, look at the lightbar.New buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
Perhaps the PS4 Pro update is something to think about.
- Update DS4 to be up-to-date with PS5 controller
- Update PS4 Pro processor to handle next-gen games
- Profit
Something else of note with that patent, is that the 2 bottom buttons allow for the grip length to be adjusted:
Also "utility patent" suggests that even though its on the DS4 design, it could be used on the DS5.
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