Cool, thanks. Was curious how it would look to get a 2 x 40 CU (4 disabled for each) in a butterfly setup like the Pro at say, 1.4 GHz. That should provide 12.9 TF, if I'm not mistaken. Doubt it'd happen, but was just pondering it.
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Cool, thanks. Was curious how it would look to get a 2 x 40 CU (4 disabled for each) in a butterfly setup like the Pro at say, 1.4 GHz. That should provide 12.9 TF, if I'm not mistaken. Doubt it'd happen, but was just pondering it.
What I'm confused on is after Matt stated that we shouldn't be taking the leak too seriously, is there a reason why some are still convinced that the PS5 will be 9.2TF? Is it the lack of RT hardware in the tests that we're thinking he was actually eluding to?
No sure on the context you're referring to but hardware BC usually refers to including actual hardware to run the BC games. Outside of the inclusion of support for XMA audio and texture formats in the XBO, both are a form of software BC. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you mean.
No sure on the context you're referring to but hardware BC usually refers to including actual hardware to run the BC games. Outside of the inclusion of support for XMA audio and texture formats in the XBO, both are a form of software BC. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you mean.
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Sorry, "It's. A. Toy." was supposed to be in there, I saw it but must have forgotten to quote it. I've restarted the poll and added these two:
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Oh thanks i was looking for Its a toy so i voted for another one before
If you go big die do you also factor in moving to 7nm+ or even 5nm later in the gen to reduce cost - or will process cost increases potentially mean you don't save anything?
Lmfao seems like Cerny spent to much time in that bathtub.
From an user test that I saw elsewhere.
The GPU only die power for ~200+W console seems to be in 1800-1950mhz. With a years time that range might be at 2000-2150 mhz.
In other words, 150W for the GPU alone in the PS5 is believable. That gets you 1950mhz in 2019. It might get you 2150mhz in 2020.
How is this graph not memed by now - someone photoshop it into a vgchartz sales graph or a resolution vs distance graph
You guys act like Sony didn't already do the GPU size vs cost vs clocks vs performance analysis
They're not going to pick a sub optimal result....
They're not going to pick a sub optimal result....
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Sorry, is that a GitHub reference? I mentioned this in a previous post:
His daily work log also shows that outside of QA he was responsible for cleaning up boxes on the 7th floor and counting power supplies
To be fair, this is only one of a dozen+ BC1 sheets and it looks like he was just testing the python script -- I know you guys already discussed that and I do agree it is all a mess
but I think it is pretty easy to tell what is junk and what isn't in these files. Whether any of it has to do with PS5 is a whole different topic
It certainly involves Sony though -- everyone has pointed out the BC modes but they're also mentioned by name in the commit log his script pulled
I will continue to bang the drum that the folks you have to appease early on are the hardcore/enthusiasts, which is era/gaf/B3D. Organic channel sentiment grows from the top down (little brother chats with techie big brother, joe blow watches a gaming youtube channel talking about these leaks... just examples, you get my point). Get out ahead of the potential mis-info, correct the potentially misguided wave via controlled leaks, and you eliminate the embers of the "I have a PS4 but now considering an Xbox due to potential power gap" narrative. Once that door has been opened to a previous loyalist, Sony runs the risk of customer base churn.
To be very clear, I am not approaching this from a Sony vs MS perspective, but from a purely PR/optics perspective for Sony. Do not let BS muddy the channel this early on without at least attempting to correct.
The moment these companies show actual games, pricing and features, all this 'outrage' will have been a fart in the wind.
History has shown us that Era's opinion doesn't mean much of anything and they don't reflect the market at all. A lot of people here don't even believe it and are waiting for the reveal.
The vast majority will never be aware of this rumor.
Lets simmer down and be realistic here. No one is making any decision, a year before the consoles release, because of these leaks.
If the power gap exists, what do you want Sony to come out and say?
If it doesn't exist, what do you want Sony to come out and say?
A reputable company that is confident in its product does not alter its time tables because of niche forum chatter.
"Hey guys the people on ERA are really losing their shit, we might lose like 1500 sales, schedule the full reveal for CES right NOW!"
Because 4TF RDNA performance is ~28% more efficient in games than GCN(x1x) and Lockheart will have VRS for additional 25% performance gain in games and that puts it on equivalent to 6.4TF GCN GPU. Add 40x faster SSD, much faster memory, 4gb more memory, hardware RT, and 4x more powerful CPU and the overall picture changes drastically. I believe Lockheart at 4TF will perform at least 2x better in games than X1X.
Especially considering x plays everything at 1440 to 4K while Lockhart will be 1080p
a stepping stone seems plausible, if you have more time, you might take a more meandering route than someone who started later and has less room to manouver
You are correct, no one is making any decisions right now. But like i said, what allowing a potentially incorrect narrative to take hold does is opens the door for current customers to fan the embers of platform change.
Your last line is false. 100% false. I work in tech, and have very close friends/colleagues at the VP level working in consumer electronics (some focusing on the TV/display market, others with mobile phones) on the PR/marketing front, and there is an internal pointed effort (i.e. leaking information to forums, journos) to control narratives that begin to develop that can taint organic channel sentiment. There are even "leaks" that are preconstructed and ready to roll if needed. With (X)aaS being the new model, fractions of fractions of percentages of market share have sizable annual recurring revenue implications.
I'm just saying with all of this, era+gaf+reddit+youtube+DF+Twitter, this news trickles down.
From an user test that I saw elsewhere.
The GPU only die power for ~200+W console seems to be in 1800-1950mhz. With a years time that range might be at 2000-2150 mhz.
In other words, 150W for the GPU alone in the PS5 is believable. That gets you 1950mhz in 2019. It might get you 2150mhz in 2020.
This is why I doubt SX is under 1.8. It would be a waste to not run that box.
Interesting insight there. I said before that my own personal opinion was that we would only have a decent idea on target specs prior to full console reveals if there was a major leak/article which included things that were not refuted by one side or the other within 48 hours through some mechanism such as what you describe as nobody would really expect a formal company statement on such things either.
Hmm I wonder if the commit log is included in the zip download.
I should have made a branch!
same here, but somewhere of 1.7~1.8 is already good enough
It should be, but I believe they're just updates to the test harness which dont really mean anything to me
That one is from study\BinSearch_Regression_cmodel_git\svnLogTserver.txt
There is a similar one with arden-related commits in study\makefile_search\search_result\gitLog_Trunk_2019_0606_152632.txt
Quoteth Hoo-Doo: The most antagonistic user in next gen threads during last gen launch. Maybe you grew up a little...
I still think it's strange to critique DF for commenting on the information that is out there.
There's a bit of history to go off of that tells us this can definitely happen. Sega quite famously had two competing designs for the Dreamcast. They chose the Japan developed PowerVR design instead of the 3Dfx powered American option. Sony had to give up on the Toshiba GPU component for PS3 and went with nVidia late in the process. Sony also had to throw out an early version of the PS4 based on using 4 Steamroller cores for the CPU instead of the 8 Jaguar cores we got.
I work in tech also. I know how PR operates, in micro and macro levels.
Things have to be said in ways that the average consumer can understand for damage to be done. Do you really believe we've condensed things down to that point yet? Hell play the DF video for an audience at E3 and they'd be lost, bored, and nodding off, before telling you to start the next gaming reel.
In the end, we are the only ones who want to "talk" video game consoles. Everyone else wants to talk video games.
Let me ask this: Did the months of forum chatter on the Xbox One being weaker than the PS4 do 1% of the damage of their disastrous E3 reveal?
Microsoft also had Yukon competing with Durango though I doubt they ever actually made silicon for it
The power and resolution difference was in every single gaming article. Each time a multiplat released, resolution was at the forefront of the media. It put resolution ahead of performance for an entire console generation, and basically defined it.
That would have not been a big deal if it was not price $100 more and even then XB had it best launch ever and it was after the first year they really fall behind.
Power matter yes but you don't look at things in a bubble.
It's like when this forum made a big deal about cross play and other places it did not effect things really.
They will focus on everything like they always do .
I really don't know why some people seem to like to breaks down things to one thing or the other .
It's never so simple and it always more than one factor \aspects in these things.
Yeah. Market research around the beginning of the gen showed "weak graphic power" (or similar) was a pretty meaningful part of the One's relatively poor performance.
You're probably right, though I could see some casuals seeing "Xbox Series X has 12 teraflop graphics and PS5 only has 9.2" and just making the obvious conclusion from there.
Of course, as you also touched on, we'll probably have full specs a solid 9 months before release so it's unlikely to matter.
What's so crazy is that when all is said and done, regardless of system specs, next year I'll be playing Halo Infinite and The Last of Us 2 on my new consoles while patiently waiting for the next God of War and Hellblade 2, and none of this will matter.
Isn't this kinda silly to ask? Can you show proof that any chip at all will be in PS or xbox? They can just say screw it and ship us 3d printed plastic and say play through cloud on ur phone lol
Because only Sony/MS can confirm anything, everything else is a rumor and speculation. Everything any developer tells us is still not a confirmation but a rumor based on what they were told or how they interpreted the information they received. None of it is confirmation of anything.
Just want to add that just because some developer has physical dev kit doesn't mean that they are allowed to open them nor that they have interest in opening them. I've worked on plenty of systems with alarms/cameras built into cases/motherboards so that they go off when case is opened.
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