I agree, if 36CU is correct then i also expect it in 8-9TF range.If dev kit runs at 2GHz that doesn't mean retail PS5 will as well.
I can't wait to see their cooling system! :)
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I can't wait to see their cooling system! :)
Ever wondered why the mid tier companies do so well? Best bang for buck.
Also, brand and BC will be important next gen.
Well it came from the same source that series x = 12 came from so to disbelieve Lockhart also disproves series x
But recently Benji has tweeted that it could be that the XSX is a significantly more powerful console.
If the leak is true do you think it would be possible that Microsoft used a realy low clock like 1.2ghz for their earlier target and everybody compared it to ps5 and concluded that yeah they are pretty much the same with ps5 having an slight edge. Those targets would perform better than stadia nonetheless. To continue my fan fiction this would be around the time Lockhart was reported not in the plans anymore so Microsoft's strategy would be using a more laxed cooling solution and matching the price of ps5 but letting the door open for clocking higher and back to the sandwich strategy. So here we are now with a rumored 12tf series x and a resurfaced Lockhart.
Yeah,no wonder dev kit looks like that if it runs at 2GHz.It seems it has 2 massive heatpipes in those V shaped parts...that's why i wonder how retail PS5 will look like and how they plan to cool it.
Or the devkits sent by MS were really not ready, and they "surprised" everyone like someone said. I don't believe it happened that way thought, or MS will have a hard time being ready for a holiday 2020 launch.
I've been a bit out of the loop but I'm going to guess DF created a article/video about the github leak?
For me, all of this doesn't add up. Information from official articles and insiders are all opposite of the github leak. From 10+ TF, to stronger than stadia, to power difference being close and no a 3TF difference is not close and especially not if the XSX also has a higher (rumored) clocked CPU, to Cerny saying that the PS5 has RT in the GPU, to finally Sony coming out that they are making the PS5 for the hardcore. A 9.2TF system is not for the hardcore it's for the casuals. And yes we do have Jim Ryan coming out and saying they want to transition players faster than current gen but keep in mind there are several ways to accomplish that.
So if we look at it from a logical point of view the github leak does not seem to tell the whole story, just perhaps part of it.
I think Sony might have already responded with the "lies" tweet.
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I just have a feeling there are big twists to come. The next thread might go by even faster.
The term "lie" is getting thrown around way too readily, right now. And if that tweet from Sony was indeed in response to this stuff, then it's particularly unfair of them to stoke fires by using that word.
time to make a bet here,
will we finish the next OT before the PS5 meeting invite ;p
We're just warming up I feel. We'll need next-gens SSDs for the forum servers just to keep up.
This thread was done in 2 weeks so it is a safe bet. If we get any sort of tease from CES then probably even faster. Assuming the invites go out at the end of January as last time.
By my memory, the insider word (from Klee and Reiner at least) was explicitly about the target specs provided to devs to build the games around, not devkit specs. When the Series X was announced and we got the very credible word that the GPU was 12TF RDNA, Klee was asked outright if this was a jump from what he'd been informed of, and he said "nothing has changed", so it's clearly that this was the double-digit number he'd been referring to that the PS5 is supposedly a bit above. So we're just back to "the only way the Github leak is really the PS5 is if Klee or his friend was lying". Which certain people are no doubt eager to believe, but that doesn't make it likely.
You can skip everything i said and remove the context I'm placing it in or you can try to understand what I'm saying. Don't be dishonest!
No, everyone doesn't have 4K TVs now. Just because 4K TVs are on the market, that doesn't mean everyone's existing 1080p TVs disappear or break all at once. Most people wait until their existing sets break before looking to buy again. This has been explained to you before but you choose to ignore it. Anecdotally, of all my gaming friends in person, which is about a dozen people or so, only 2 other people have upgraded to 4K TVs and these are "hardcore" gamers. That average would be far less if they fit more in the casual audience. If MS is going with a 2SKU strategy, it makes no sense for both to target 4K gaming.
I've been wondering the same thing.
My alias is Jon Snow.
It is a given there will be another twist! There is always another twist!
It is a given that you and me will love it #ForTheShitsAndGiggles!
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This. I've been thinking for a while now that they want people to be able to afford both consoles.
I mean, assuming that this run of next-gen speculation will have another twist is possibly the safest bet in the histories of man and beast.
Being stronger than stadia doesn't have to mean 10tf+. Teraflops are not the be all for a enclosed system. Sometimes it's other thing's, like the type of storage that they have to instantly load a game. Something that even PC doesn't have yet.
Stronger than Stadia could mean in literally the experience being better. From local rendered image, load times, just overall experience being better. Now do I think 9tf+ is the final number? No, but do I think it's possibly a target? To get close to 10tf without needing giant clocks to achieve it. Yes.
I'll be surprised if the system is priced closer to MS's 12tf console.
I mean if it is 12tf, then I guess everyone wins but our wallets.
But honestly Sony's messaging has never been about being the most powerful. Their design decisions have always been about best priced hardware, that will empower their developers to transition quickly and develop with enough horse power.
Yea, honestly why change a strat that currently has worked for them? Makes sense to offer a box at $399 at launch that's 8+-9tf. Then have PS5PRO in 2-3 years that's around 12-14tf for $499 or higher. Makes sense to me, too much sense.
And honestly I think the bread crumbs of them not having PSVR2 at launch kind of goes along with that. I would imagine the render resolution for the new VR headset would work with 9tf but would benefit from something around 12tf+.
The twist will be that folks who are expecting a power gap of what essentially amounts to the PS4 Pro in GPU terms for two consoles launching in the same year are going to look mighty foolish.
Logic and reasoning be damned. It's all about riding the clouds.
I think you've misread something, speed increases cost, not size :)
"All of this has happened before and will happen again - so say we all".
I just don't think Sony will sell at a loss.
Xbox One was lower powered and more expensive.
9TF $399 Ps5 just sounds to good for me. That would sell better than Ps4
It's fine and I'm sorry if i came over as harsh but some people just remove context to fit a narrative.
Let's be honest if 2 years agao we would have a discussion that the PS5 is going to come out for 399 would your first instinct be that it is for the hardcore? Even if you look at the beginning of the year we wouldn't classify it as a hardcore system.
I've already seen the odd hiccup in this thread the last week. It will crash when official stuff starts to drop.
*wipes brow* Yeah for sure more twists.
Well yeah I agree, it was just how it was phrased threw me. I admit I'm really sensitive to wording right now and easily trigger.....:(
Of course it is obvious they'll be twists as I said it! ;)
Well, im ready for more twists, it cant get worst then this.
Why do i fell that im about to regret this coment.
Why do i fell that im about to regret this coment.
No prob. Well,the question is what PS system was for the hardcore? Their most successful console PS2 was weaker then both Xbox and GameCube.PS3? It was the latest tech,yeah,mighty and shiny but it was a financial disaster for Sony,it made billions of losses.I think they learned their lesson.
But what about the lines between those lines?
Oh, trust me, I know the feeling, like I'm seeing clues everywhere. That PlayStation tweet is the perfect example. We're all in a permanent state of
Couple of things first the 10tf+ whas about flops so why all of a sudden would it be about SSD speeds?
But Sony's messaging has been about developing the PS5 for the hardcore and the price will reflect that. Second i wasn't talking about in comparison to XSX. It doesn't need to be 12tf to be for the hardcore? For me a 9.2tf 399 system is more of a casual/normal system not a hardcore system were they went beyond the expected.
PS5 PRo in 2/3 years as the same spec as the XSX is crazy....than they should at least go 15+ otherwise it's going to be seen as strange by the hardcore.
Iirc, these chips have not seen the light of day. Even Nvidia uses OCed lower speed chips in their high end cards as opposed to those supposed 18gbps chips.
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