I would love to see a megaton surprise reveal from Sony.
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I would love to see a megaton surprise reveal from Sony.
IF 36CU is true then could it be something to do with baking in hardware for PSVR into the APU limiting their space? There have been rumours of this... it would be a monumental balls up if it were the case.
I'm keeping an open mind just now but if the final release is 36CU, the same as the PS4 Pro then Mark Cerny done goofed, big time!
I'm sorry..............are people here really assuming this tweet has anything to do with the next-gen speculation going on?
If we are lucky.
Plz note, I don't think the leaks was PS5, but that's just my guess.
You keep saying hardcore, what you mean to say is Enthusiasts. That's what the XSX is. Lockhart is for the casual croud because of capabilities and more than likely what it will be priced at.
People buying these day one are hardcore/enthusiasts. PS5 if it;s going to be 9tf @ $399 is going to sell to others besides hardcore enthusiasts. You are right that right out of the gate with their wording for XSX that it's more for the hardcore crowd. And it's price will reflect that, just like xbox one x, and PS4PRO did.
I really don't know wtf your point is. If PS5 comes at 9tf and at $399 it's going to sell hotter than PS4, and it's not like it's going to be a gimped system.
And what would happen to the Kinect units they had manufactured?
They also might have thought that Kinect's success was guaranteed.
I'd say that at most there's some light squinting. It's almost certainly nothing. But it's that 'almost' that sticks around and itches.
The point of the premium SKU is the Halo effect. The point is to drive people to the platform and get them hooked in to Gamepass. The best possible box means your marketing footage looks amazing, streamers buy in, enthusiasts buy in etc. Then they can go win on affordability elsewhere. I don't think Sony or MS are looking to take heavy losses on any of these machines but any margins will be thin even on the premium box.
Does Kojima have a writing room? I can't believe no one looked at some of those quotes and thought about taking Kojimas pen away.
The psvr hardware is the 3d audio chip that was inside the breakout box. That would be its own chip, not on the die.
In all fairness, this isn't even the worst piece of dialogue in the game.
Yep I totally agree. If XSX has 52-56CU as is looking likely and PS5 has 36 but has to essentially overclock them massively outside their perf/watt sweet spot to close the gap to a mere 30% then Mark Cerny has made a colossal balls up.
They'll be paying probably about the same for their chip as MS, but it will be 30% less powerful. That's a huge engineering fail right there.
Look at the current dev kit 😆
That doesn't look like a silent system, not to mention it's quite big, too.
According to this article the PS5 is a niche product for the hardcore.
The PS2 was indeed weaker but when did it release compared to the others? It also was a far different time than we currently live in. If you would have told me that we would pay laptop prices for phones, or that we would have to pay for extra goodies/cosmetics in games, or that we would pay for online play i would call you crazy.
Your forgetting a couple of things about the PS3. First let's talk about what actually went on with the creation of the PS3.
The PS3 as a concept was not created for the hardcore but for 2 different reasons. Setting and selling blu ray and creating a new CPU for multiple different systems, TV's, Camera, Phones and other random equipment. The reason why the PS3 stumbled is because it had nothing to do with gaming and both of their goals were hampering with price and being able to deliver(blu-ray diodes and a compelling price on cell) on both fronts. The cell and blu-ray caused massive damage to PS3 and Sony and not because they wanted to create the best system for games.
The lesson they should have learned is don't try to use Playstation to sell things and experiment so much that you lose 300$ on every console sold. The PS4 should have learned them that the combination between power, games, services and ease of use (for developers) is that a desirable product sales.
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I'm not so sure. I think it's possible that XSX is 599 and PS5 is 499
Considering how die shrinks are slowing down, I would expect a Pro console from either company in a few years. We got the Pro and 1X mid gen because the launch consoles were a bit lackluster in performance, especially for the wave of 4K TVs hitting the market.
That shouldn't be the case next gen.
It seems to be in the APU according to the first Wired article:
Depends on other factors, I'm still #teamHBM and if they did a deal, possible they got HBM2(E) cheaper than what it cost for GDDR6. Rumors out of last night from WCCFTECH is new gpu's coming out from AMD will have GDDR6,HBM2.
I don't know if the ones using HBM2 are just render cards?
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Taiwanese leaker says the difference of APU size between Arden and OBR is possibly RT ASIC.
It seems few consider how a 300mm2 7nm+ APU would become.
But oberon is 300 mm2 just for the gpu.Yes. Everything converge to the APU PCB leak being legit with 40CUs, 18Gbps GDDR6 downclocked (Oberon B0) at ~550GB/s, 316mm² at 7nm.
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So this means fully custom SSD with PCIe 4.0 controller (write at 4.4GB/s) + 4GB for custom cache and 2GB for most probably OS. Which would mean PS5 would have more available ram (18GB) than XSX (16GB). Maybe more depending how they use their custom cache.
SSD on XSX being from 1GB/s (from leaks) to 1.6GB/s (40x XB1 HDD). PS5 could have a much faster SSD than XSX.
You saw the leaks. Did they have anything indicating that oberon was an apu?
I agree, would be a toaster for trying to go small when they knew by XBX how MS would go wide and to the limits in its GPU.
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There are indications Oberon is part of an APU: The results tabs are labelled "iGPU", for integrated GPU. Oberon (like Ariel) should be part of an APU, but they were testing only the GPU part, the iGPU.
What's the source about the 300mm² GPU ? that looks like a rough average.
nah it's a toy is best but sadly on last position so don't know if it's visible enough
Would it be crazy talk if oberon actually turned out to be a second chip installed within the PS5 separate from the main APU who's sole purpose is used as a dedicated chip for backwards compatibility for PS4/Pro, testing out various clock speeds for different scenarios, for example:
0.8ghz = PS4 mode
0.9ghz = PS4 Pro mode
2ghz = PS4 next gen mode (4k 60 etc )
0.8ghz = PS4 mode
0.9ghz = PS4 Pro mode
2ghz = PS4 next gen mode (4k 60 etc )
After this latest round of leaks and seeing the analysis from Digital Foundry yesterday, I believe the PS5 is going to be around 9 tflops. Why?
It's quite simple really. It just makes sense that Sony would want to stick with a $400 price, just as they did with the PS4 and the Pro. This pretty much means they needed to stick with an affordable 36 CU chip, which perfectly lines up with this latest leak. It all makes sense.
The smart money would be betting on the 9 vs 12 tflops right now.
It's quite simple really. It just makes sense that Sony would want to stick with a $400 price, just as they did with the PS4 and the Pro. This pretty much means they needed to stick with an affordable 36 CU chip, which perfectly lines up with this latest leak. It all makes sense.
The smart money would be betting on the 9 vs 12 tflops right now.
At this rate.. let's hope we get solid reveals? / pricing? / white paper leaks? , soon!
Dude if that is even remotely true, The PS5 will outsell both models of the next one, every year its out. Do you not see how middle ground that would be. lol
Well, if the new CEO calls that price "Niche", "Premium" for "Hardcore players" that want the "latest technology" and reveals 9TF at CES... it is going to be funny. Because these are the words they have used to describe PS5 to shareholders.
The PSVR breakout box is actually a quad-core ARM SOC and an HDMI transceiver chip. The transceiver wouldn't be needed since presumably any PSVR2 would have something like a virtual link video over USB-C port, seriously already spotted in Ariel. The ARM is not only what runs the 3D audio, but also runs the big screen mode so no PS4 resources are used to draw the screen while playing a 2D game in VR. If PS5 doesn't have the breakout box, there would have to be a tiny reservation so it can draw a virtual screen for 2D games, probably not a big deal.
Like peopel said if they went for 399 then go for 2ghz doesn't makes sense.
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