I would love to see a megaton surprise reveal from Sony.
What is the technical cock up causing issues with the PS5 APU?
I'm sorry..............are people here really assuming this tweet has anything to do with the next-gen speculation going on?
I'm sorry..............are people here really assuming this tweet has anything to do with the next-gen speculation going on?
Couple of things first the 10tf+ whas about flops so why all of a sudden would it be about SSD speeds?
But Sony's messaging has been about developing the PS5 for the hardcore and the price will reflect that. Second i wasn't talking about in comparison to XSX. It doesn't need to be 12tf to be for the hardcore? For me a 9.2tf 399 system is more of a casual/normal system not a hardcore system were they went beyond the expected.
PS5 PRo in 2/3 years as the same spec as the XSX is crazy....than they should at least go 15+ otherwise it's going to be seen as strange by the hardcore.
And what would happen to the Kinect units they had manufactured?So why didn't MS react with Xbox one's launch and went for price parity with PS4? I just don't see these things being as easy as going for what your competition is doing, also if MS launching with 2 SKUs then taking big losses on both doesn't make sense, reminder that PS3 took over $200 on each console and ended the gen with billions in losses.
I'm sorry..............are people here really assuming this tweet has anything to do with the next-gen speculation going on?
The point of the premium SKU is the Halo effect. The point is to drive people to the platform and get them hooked in to Gamepass. The best possible box means your marketing footage looks amazing, streamers buy in, enthusiasts buy in etc. Then they can go win on affordability elsewhere. I don't think Sony or MS are looking to take heavy losses on any of these machines but any margins will be thin even on the premium box.Yeah, the point of a premium SKU is to run up margins, not take bigger losses.
The psvr hardware is the 3d audio chip that was inside the breakout box. That would be its own chip, not on the die.IF 36CU is true then could it be something to do with baking in hardware for PSVR into the APU limiting their space? There have been rumours of this... it would be a monumental balls up if it were the case.
I'm keeping an open mind just now but if the final release is 36CU, the same as the PS4 Pro then Mark Cerny done goofed, big time!
Does Kojima have a writing room? I can't believe no one looked at some of those quotes and thought about taking Kojimas pen away.
IF 36CU is true then could it be something to do with baking in hardware for PSVR into the APU limiting their space? There have been rumours of this... it would be a monumental balls up if it were the case.
I'm keeping an open mind just now but if the final release is 36CU, the same as the PS4 Pro then Mark Cerny done goofed, big time!
Look at the current dev kit 😆I agree, if 36CU is correct then i also expect it in 8-9TF range.If dev kit runs at 2GHz that doesn't mean retail PS5 will as well.
I can't wait to see their cooling system! :)
According to this article the PS5 is a niche product for the hardcore.No prob. Well,the question is what PS system was for the hardcore? Their most successful console PS2 was weaker then both Xbox and GameCube.PS3? It was the latest tech,yeah,mighty and shiny but it was a financial disaster for Sony,it made billions of losses.I think they learned their lesson.
Lol at $599
Series X will be $499 max. Series S $299
They will just replace the One X and One S.
Then have PS5PRO in 2-3 years that's around 12-14tf for $499 or higher. Makes sense to me, too much sense.
The psvr hardware is the 3d audio chip that was inside the breakout box. That would be its own chip, not on the die.
The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame.
Yep I totally agree. If XSX has 52-56CU as is looking likely and PS5 has 36 but has to essentially overclock them massively outside their perf/watt sweet spot to close the gap to a mere 30% then Mark Cerny has made a colossal balls up.
They'll be paying probably about the same for their chip as MS, but it will be 30% less powerful. That's a huge engineering fail right there.
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Taiwanese leaker says the difference of APU size between Arden and OBR is possibly RT ASIC.I'm pretty sure that both Xbox consoles are confirmed to have RT hardware in them so I don't think that would account for the size difference. It would be the number of CU's that get decreased as you don't need as much if targeting lower res.
But oberon is 300 mm2 just for the gpu.Yes. Everything converge to the APU PCB leak being legit with 40CUs, 18Gbps GDDR6 downclocked (Oberon B0) at ~550GB/s, 316mm² at 7nm.
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So this means fully custom SSD with PCIe 4.0 controller (write at 4.4GB/s) + 4GB for custom cache and 2GB for most probably OS. Which would mean PS5 would have more available ram (18GB) than XSX (16GB). Maybe more depending how they use their custom cache.
SSD on XSX being from 1GB/s (from leaks) to 1.6GB/s (40x XB1 HDD). PS5 could have a much faster SSD than XSX.
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I agree, would be a toaster for trying to go small when they knew by XBX how MS would go wide and to the limits in its GPU.Yep I totally agree. If XSX has 52-56CU as is looking likely and PS5 has 36 but has to essentially overclock them massively outside their perf/watt sweet spot to close the gap to a mere 30% then Mark Cerny has made a colossal balls up.
They'll be paying probably about the same for their chip as MS, but it will be 30% less powerful. That's a huge engineering fail right there.
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There are indications Oberon is part of an APU: The results tabs are labelled "iGPU", for integrated GPU. Oberon (like Ariel) should be part of an APU, but they were testing only the GPU part, the iGPU.But oberon is 300 mm2 just for the gpu.
You saw the leaks. Did they have anything indicating that oberon was an apu?
nah it's a toy is best but sadly on last position so don't know if it's visible enough
This one!
At this rate.. let's hope we get solid reveals? / pricing? / white paper leaks? , soon!
If Sony is sandwiched between a cheaper next-gen console that will appeal to mainstream audiences and a more powerful console that appeals to hardcore audiences, they're going to have a rough next eight years.
Well, if the new CEO calls that price "Niche", "Premium" for "Hardcore players" that want the "latest technology" and reveals 9TF at CES... it is going to be funny. Because these are the words they have used to describe PS5 to shareholders.I believe the PS5 is going to be around 9 tflops. Why?
It's quite simple really. It just makes sense that Sony would want to stick with a $400 price, just as they did with the PS4 and the Pro. This pretty much means they needed to stick with an affordable 36 CU chip, which perfectly lines up with this latest leak. It all makes sense.
The smart money would be betting on the 9 vs 12 tflops right now.
Chinese forum. komachi linked it.There are indications Oberon is part of an APU: The results tabs are labelled "iGPU", for integrated GPU. Oberon (like Ariel) should be part of an APU, but they were testing only the GPU part, the iGPU.
What's the source about the 300mm² GPU ? that looks like a rough average.
The PSVR breakout box is actually a quad-core ARM SOC and an HDMI transceiver chip. The transceiver wouldn't be needed since presumably any PSVR2 would have something like a virtual link video over USB-C port, seriously already spotted in Ariel. The ARM is not only what runs the 3D audio, but also runs the big screen mode so no PS4 resources are used to draw the screen while playing a 2D game in VR. If PS5 doesn't have the breakout box, there would have to be a tiny reservation so it can draw a virtual screen for 2D games, probably not a big deal.It seems to be in the APU according to the first Wired article:
After this latest round of leaks and seeing the analysis from Digital Foundry yesterday, I believe the PS5 is going to be around 9 tflops. Why?
It's quite simple really. It just makes sense that Sony would want to stick with a $400 price, just as they did with the PS4 and the Pro. This pretty much means they needed to stick with an affordable 36 CU chip, which perfectly lines up with this latest leak. It all makes sense.
The smart money would be betting on the 9 vs 12 tflops right now.
Would it be crazy talk if oberon actually turned out to be a second chip installed within the PS5 separate from the main APU who's sole purpose is used as a dedicated chip for backwards compatibility for PS4/Pro, testing out various clock speeds for different scenarios, for example:
0.8ghz = PS4 mode
0.9ghz = PS4 Pro mode
2ghz = PS4 next gen mode (4k 60 etc )