If the leak is true, then Mark fucked up? Why whould he go that route...
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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If the leak is true, then Mark fucked up? Why whould he go that route...
You asked the question of how do we know the Oberon data wasn't copy-pasted from a 5700. The back-compat and references to Oberon-silicon being distinct from Ariel. Well that's how. I am not claiming this is the final PS5 GPU or anything of that sort.
This really is going to be a long fucking couple of months. Klee's confirmation of the PS Meeting being in February is very "Thanks, I hate it" right now.
God, it would be nice if they forked over the PS5 spec sheet at CES. Then said, "and if you want to see how these numbers translate into games, join us in February".
This is why I'm telling you guys to relax. There's a silver lining here that we don't know yet.
Yes I agree 7nm+ is more expensive.
But if we consider the accuracy of the leaks then the best guess of Arden size is 345~355 mm2.
That indicates 7nm+.
OBR already has slow verification process, and it still changed version and re-tested in Nov. According to the leaker Acuariusz.
That's an indication of using different node and causing problems.
If we use 7nm 64CU*5mm2 each we hit 320 mm2 just for iGPU. If we add in everything else that makes sense, unless I am missing something.
Right, until they reveal nothing is confirm but the heat and the noise this thing is going to make just because they want to go to 2ghz doenst make sense.
Yes, just like you can notice the difference after changing resolution or other settings in any PC game for the last 20 years.
lol there is nothing smart about this. we are all arm chair engineers here and i challenge you to find one poster here who would design a console 30% weaker that consumes 50% more power. and since it consumes 50% more power it would likely cost the same or even more.
btw, it wont just be 30% weaker if the AMD patent is right and the rt stuff is built into the TMUs. TMUs scale with CUs. the more CUs you have, the more TMUs. it will be far worse when it comes to ray tracing.
You're designing the console in hindsight, of course any intern can design better based on final, tested silicon. Don't forget there were rumors that the Navi thermals were much worse than expected. It's also worth keeping in mind that the thermal issues were discovered in time to make some changes, since we're seeing these test results that got filtered down to an intern six months ago.you will have to move the sweet spot much higher to get 2ghz to be 'ok'. and there is no indication that its 7nm+.
So sweet spot for 40 CUs is 1700mhz. To get 10% more performance your tdp is going up almost 100% from 110w to 210w.
it makes ZERO sense. The only explanation for such a shitty design is what Doctor Avatar just gave... i.e., sony fucked up in ways no one can imagine. you would need to have some of the dumbest interns designing this console. Cerny is going around talking about this fastest ssd of all time, a dedicated 3d audio chip which is most likely the psvr 2.0 processor chip bolted on the board and fancy new controller features. why would they try to save $15-20 on the silicon when they are spending extra on dedicated processors and fastest ssds known to man?
I don't know how easy the changes would be to make, either try to fix the fundamental thermal issue (might not succeed), go to a smaller process (many unknowns, might not help much), or just slap a bunch of extra CUs on and drop the clock (might cause BC problems). Or some combination of the above.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
lol what do you mean?
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
lol what do you mean?
I don't expect the PS5 to be that much weaker than XSX. The test info is interesting but as many others have said, even if it's real it doesn't tell the whole story. This is going to be a looooong ass wait for these things to be fully unveiled but it's going to be awesome once they finally are.
You mean other than a cheaper console, because it's looking more and more like that is THE silver lining here....
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