I would say a 2TF, or in this case 20% difference is more than "nothing".
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
- Thread starter Mecha Meister
- Start date
- Status
I would say a 2TF, or in this case 20% difference is more than "nothing".
this thread is too fast to me, i'm feelling like yamcha that the movements are too fast to his eyes
I disagree. However, mitigating performance oriented visual processes like checkerboarding solutions and dynamic resolutions have come significantly far to aid in performance with minimal hit to IQ in real time.
Next gen promises hardware support for ARS/VRS (which is apparently patented by MS... so I intrigued to know how this will play with PS5) and that would be of significant benefit to performance on all systems.
And of course, given the birth and evolution these technologies over the current gen, other brand new solutions might as well pop up next gen.
All in all, that ~2TF calculation advantage will inevitably account for something especially when it comes to third parties.
Of course, as you aptly put, "worst case scenario". I am expecting the difference to be within 1TF (for my worst case scenario).
Whew, fired up a bit? I'd assume anyone is welcome to post here regardless?
They have to be, I haven't used the service in years, but the offerings were horrible and there was a ton of input lag
If they announced a boatload of PS1-3 classics, maybe some flagship classics with enhancements, offered the option to download them all and at a reasonable price, they could compete with Gamepass. Add this with PS4 full BC, then this could be a solid BC solution
I don't think Gamepass trying to be the Next Netflix of Games is something Sony should copy, but if PSNOW is how they wanna tackle BC I hope they revamp it in time for PS5 launch
I wouldn't even care if they had a bare launch lineup if PSNOW 2.0 offered what I suggested. Would be a killer app
Weren't the rumors for PS5 perf based off of the 3DMark benchmarks for Gonzalo at 20K score vs 5K score for PS4?
That's not why. The rumor via the Asian Message board was PS5 apu size is 300mm2.
DukeBlueBall calculated the Xbox Scarlett devkit from the Anaconda renders to be 360mm2.
Unless something drastically changed - the information is Gonzalo being 300mm2, running at 2ghz, and having the score it does - points us to a 10.2 TF APU. Just my opinion
This is where we are deriving these numbers.
This is not the case. Their patent is for the implementation of VRS in dx12, not VRS itself. AMD has their own VRS patents.
Personally I got it from this:
RGT said:
PS4 Pros is 36CUs, so BC2 is likely BC for PS4 Pro. The fact that BC2 has 4CUs increase over 36CUs makes me wonder if there are 40CUs total. It's a possibility.
Maybe there is a reason why BC2 is limited to 40CUs when there are more than 40 total.
The 300mm2 "leak" that appeared after the 5700XT and Zen 2 die sizes were confirmed by AMD.
Last edited:
I don't remember. This is fairly recent. DukeBlueBall knwows better. It was posted on this Asian message board that looked like it had design tropes of 1995.
Btw, has anyone talked about the rumour (iirc, NXG mentioned this in his vid on SeX) that xCloud might be leveraged (for those with access) to give instantaneous access to those who use physical media while it installs onto the SSD?
Setting aside the massive, impromptu resource requirement, does anyone see Sony doing the same? After all, there is no getting away from that first installation.
Setting aside the massive, impromptu resource requirement, does anyone see Sony doing the same? After all, there is no getting away from that first installation.
Someone connected to a developer actually mentioned this feature in the very first next-gen speculation OT a long, long time ago. I think he was talking about PS5 but I'm not sure, I'd have to go back to read the post again.
I was thinking plates with heatpipes, connected to a heat sink on either side.
Sort of like this:
Like these boys:
Of course it's probably nothing like this, and I guess there are other reasons something like this wouldn't work, but fun to think about. Even if it could work I imagine it would be expensive.
Hmm, how about a chiplet design with different chiplets on either side of the motherboard? Or is that impractical/impossible?
No load times in Fallen Order? What exactly do you think those shimmying through openings is hiding? Load times. Fallen Order is like the textbook example of game design to hide load times.
We should get a teaser either in January or early February.
There were multiple such "leaks". One Reddit rumor suggested 319 mm^2 and a very specific phison PCIe4 SSD controller.
Okay, I just had a crazy idea RE: the Sony motherboard/ heatsink patent. What if, in the context of the patent annotations, the following were to be true:
Item (5) is the PS5 APU. Item (5c) is the CPU positioned upright, with a heatsink (item [9]) placed above it. Item (5d) is the GPU positioned upside down, connected to a thermal conduction plate (5a), and thus the heat conduction path ([11], aided by [31] & [32]) within the board itself (item [10]). Item (5b) would simply represent the interface between the APU and the board.
Surely this would double the efficiency of cooling applied to the APU (as the CPU and GPU each have their own heatsink), in addition to ensuring that the APU itself has a much smaller footprint on the board (at the expense of added height/ thickness due to the nature of the design)?
Also, as the diagram within the patent is labelled as "abstracted" (and thus representative of function, yet not form) is it possible that Gofreak's extrapolated heatsink positioning is the final piece of the puzzle? Would such repositioning allow Sony to adhere to a more traditional console form factor whilst simultaneously pushing the clocks on the CPU and GPU?
Play via the cloud while you install in the background was actually something Cerny talked about during the PS4 reveal lol.
Edit : Mistaken, it was play via the cloud instantly as a demo before you buy it idea and not Cerny, but then Gaikai President.
Last edited:
I don't believe PS5
Very interesting theory/idea.
edit:
Hyped.
Very interesting theory/idea.
edit:
Hyped.
They will send invites to the event at late January, probably. Just a little bit more than a month to that.
It's going to be like Ender's Game. You think you're taking out the Mongols, but really your controlling Sony's AI ninjas and suppressing the leaks.and then we never see those two again lol
Well it is not like we have a guy in here that told you those numbers are wrong or anything.
If there are 40CUs total, then wouldn't it make more sense for the PS4 BC mode to be 20CUs? Since you'd be deactivating half the GPU...
Something doesn't add up here.
Well, that's a shame. My friend and I were hoping to see it together but now he'll be at work. But thank you for the clarification.
A true graphical "leap", if you will.
Nevermind - I made a mistake. It was Perry who said it during the PS4 reveal event, and it was 'try out any game for free before you buy it' via cloud.
Which ironically, he later said was a pipedream because publishers doesn't want to let people try games for free.
I just want to say thanks for being forthcoming and responsive with the information you can share.
I've seen countless 'insiders' tease, disappear, ignore questions etc. However it's good to see someone with knowledge answer questions and provide some reasonably definitive answers (where possible).
Cant wait for the February reveal.
I feel like Hellblade II showed us that the visual bar can be raised but it seems as if Sony is pushing a narrative to distract us away from graphics (aka loading times), which could be a sign that they're not as competitive in that area.
If MS releases Lockhart, Sony will have a graphical advantage by default even if the specs are lower than Series X. PS5 exclusives would always have a tech advantage over games designed to run on Lockhart.
My guess is the SDK for PS4 Pro prevented devs from locking themselves to a specific amount of CUs, where as the PS4 game code can only run on "18" CUs.
Just speculation from me.
The rumor is PS5 300mm2, xbox 350mm2.
In 7nm+ it is another story. 12TF is probable.
I was wondering the same thing.
Both Sony and MS have placed importance on the SSD and speed. It shows how vital it is to the next gen consoles. As such, if Sony does go all out and make sure to have a really fast SSD, it will certainly make a difference.
There were just a few comments suggesting it wouldn't matter even if Sony does have a really good SSD.
RGT/Komachi didn't know how many CUs were active in Oberon's native mode. BC2 running with 40 when Pro has 36 is certainly interesting by itself though.
They also mentioned partial game installs which I don't think any PS4 support. Hopefully PS5 actually delivers on that.
And now we have rumors that MS is planning a reveal event for April or May...it seems that both are doing something similar to their PS4/XBO reveal schedules with the exception of the early XSX announcement and the PS5 Wired articles.
I wouldn't count on it since it will probably be a feature which depends on developer support, and as we've seen with a similar PS4 feature which allows you to install one part of the game before the other parts (Single Player before Multiplayer for example) close to no developers support it.
How does ssds work? Like when Digital foundry talk about they talk about how it works with ram? i thought ssds just makes things load faster. Also if the ssd read speeds are just 4gbs per send how is that gonna change anything when games next gen are going to be way fucking bigger than current gen. Most games today are around 100gb next gen is gonna exceed that.
For those that are willing plz explain. thanks
For those that are willing plz explain. thanks
- Status