Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)

Deleted member 62028 · Dec 17, 2019

XolSec said:
How is a 2 Ghz GPU even remotely possible in a console? I've seen a lot of talk about it but I can't figure out if it's a joke, trolling, or actually serious.

New and improved N7P, N7+ or N6 process
New and innovative cooling solution
A lot bigger footprint than last gen consoles

You need all that combined to happen and even in that case it's a HUGE stretch.
So far no regular desktop GPU is running close to 2GHz base clock.
To get 2GHz without throttling you need to undervolt and water cool your GPU

bcatwilly · Dec 17, 2019

Sony may have done something more with their SSD, but logically it can't be too much of a differentiation except for possibly some specific application in first party games here and there.

SSDs at all in these consoles is the true game changing thing, so game design changes can be considered with just that baseline massive change
Xbox must be pretty confident too in whatever they have chosen to do because they had no problem saying "virtually eliminating loading times" in their messaging with the Xbox Series X reveal
3rd party developers are likely targeting consoles and PC in most cases, and most PCs won't even have SSDs at the level of the Xbox Series X even if it is "slower"

Terbinator · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
no he said bingo to the math. Dante's devkit had a 1475 mhz gpu. which at 64 cus gives us 12.083 tflops. it just proves the tflops number Phil talked about.

We've had Dante speed confirmed?

Deleted member 1589 · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
no he said bingo to the math. Dante's devkit had a 1475 mhz gpu. which at 64 cus gives us 12.083 tflops. it just proves the tflops number Phil talked about.

:|

I seriously cant keep with all this. So it's probably not 64 CUs?

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

anexanhume said:
The problem is that it's a logical solution :D

Use Anaconda reject die for Lockhart consumer and server systems. Depending on how Anaconda yield goes, you can later deploy xCloud Anaconda level quality similar to Stadia's pro tier.

You are safe to say these things.

I am not.

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

Oggmeiler said:
A single strand of Mark Cernys hair will be placed between the APU and cooler, that single strand of hair will single-handedly break the laws of thermodynamics as we know it.

This guy!

Nazgûl · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
no he said bingo to the math. Dante's devkit had a 1475 mhz gpu. which at 64 cus gives us 12.083 tflops. it just proves the tflops number Phil talked about.

Ok thanks

gundamkyoukai · Dec 17, 2019

bcatwilly said:
Sony may have done something more with their SSD, but logically it can't be too much of a differentiation except for possibly some specific application in first party games here and there.

SSDs at all in these consoles is the true game changing thing, so game design changes can be considered with just that baseline massive change

Xbox must be pretty confident too in whatever they have chosen to do because they had no problem saying "virtually eliminating loading times" in their messaging with the Xbox Series X reveal

3rd party developers are likely targeting consoles and PC in most cases, and most PCs won't even have SSDs at the level of the Xbox Series X even if it is "slower"

If you read there patent you can see what they doing or at least trying to do .
As for 3rd parties some will take advantage and other won't just the way it's always been .

Sid · Dec 17, 2019

Expy said:
Nothing happened other than someone saying it was `flat`.

Flatlined? dead maybe? I hope so

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

Terbinator said:
We've had Dante speed confirmed?

hmqgg said Dante = Series X. Dante leak in April had that 1.475 ghz clockspeed. the only thing that gets us over to 12 tflops is 64 Active CUs.

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:
no he said bingo to the math. Dante's devkit had a 1475 mhz gpu. which at 64 cus gives us 12.083 tflops. it just proves the tflops number Phil talked about.

Somebody's paying attention

bcatwilly · Dec 17, 2019

gundamkyoukai said:
If you read there patent you can see what they doing or at least trying to do .
As for 3rd parties some will take advantage and other won't just the way it's always been .

There are plenty of games currently that smartly deal with things much better than others even with the crappy slow HDDs, so just not sold that fundamental game design is that impacted beyond the admittedly amazing upgrade to SSD speeds at all in these consoles.

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
You are safe to say these things.

I am not.

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

AegonSnake said:

I have spoken

This is the way

Expy · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
I have spoken

This is the way.

VX1 · Dec 17, 2019

III-V said:
Major off topic but I wanted to follow up from the other day when I went off-topic sorry. So I told you last Weds or w/e that I pulled the trigger on a 1X because of gamepass. I really don't like the UI and JFO runs like absolute ass. I mean absolute freaking ass. I was really hoping that was not going to be the case. Really happy with game pass though, all of these Xbox games I have wanted to play, as well as some stuff I was already planning to purchase. incredible value.

JFO runs like shit on base PS4.The first game this whole gen for me,i was really shocked how bad it was.I got a PC version few weeks after i finished it and it's night and day...

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

Expy said:
This is the way.

Beaten haha

Sunlight · Dec 17, 2019

PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
I have spoken

This is the way

Deleted member 50658 · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
Somebody's paying attention

Well back to the calculator I guess 😞😉

Proven · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

0/10

nelsonroyale · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

14/10

Proven · Dec 17, 2019

Saint-14 · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

Bingo out of 10.

Expy · Dec 17, 2019

Kleegamefan said:
Beaten haha

Pfft, nice edit :P

Expy · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

It's at 2.00 tho. :P

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

not bad from the side

too many GHz there cowboy

Chamber · Dec 17, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
i think we will see devs trying to do more to keep sizes down if we can't plug in cheap 4tb externals any more.

I think this is where Sony's "only install what you need" talking point is coming from.

Hybrid Rainbow · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

Inside of the PS5:

AegonSnake · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

sharp knees. would not bang.

Proven said:
0/10

lol

brokenswiftie · Dec 17, 2019

Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Whatislove · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Man that thing really is a chonker.

m23 · Dec 17, 2019

jroc74 said:
That's basically what Sony has allowed over the years so far, user replaceable storage. I don't see any problem if the Series X had it.

I'm an idiot. I thought the poster was talking about memory ie ram, not storage. I can't read this morning it seems.

Bradbatross · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

My favorite designed console ever.. Damn that's sleek. It looks powerful and premium.

III-V · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

I really like the aesthetics but I don't care for how it looks like that. Good work though.

klik · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Good job. Usually i don't care that much about console looks but this is one really blends with TV surround units

Thera · Dec 17, 2019

bcatwilly said:
3rd party developers are likely targeting consoles and PC in most cases, and most PCs won't even have SSDs at the level of the Xbox Series X even if it is "slower"

So ? If that helped to handle better LOD on distant object, they can take full advantage of it and be ahead of PC on that front.
Nobody are saying "third party won't support Ray tracing because it is only available on high end PC".

Yerffej · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Damn. Nice job.

BubblegumNemesis · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Sexy beast!!!

Dokkaebi G0SU · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

from what i've read, the renders have been guessing wrong and all have been a bit higher/larger than what it actually is. Maybe im out of the loops on the latest info. were you able to get some verification on exact dimensions?

sleepr · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

I like the design but it's huge and it doesn't look good when put on horizontal position.

Dimajjio · Dec 17, 2019

I wonder if there's a design reason for having the top grille having a dip towards the middle or just aesthetics?

Kaelan · Dec 17, 2019

BreakAtmo said:
The rumour (claiming PS Meeting for January 22 at Sony Hall) is a couple of months old. The thing is that since then Sony Hall has booked out a bunch of January but the 22nd (and the 21st and 23rd, possibly needed for setup and dismantling) remain unbooked. Of course there are also like 8 other days that are also unbooked so it's hardly set in stone or anything, but I think it's interesting.

Interesting indeed. I expected February but this makes sense too

Deleted member 17092 · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

yeah we're gonna see a lot of people putting this thing on the ground like a subwoofer.

ms might actually need a smaller console out of market necessity.

brokenswiftie · Dec 17, 2019

Samurai G0SU said:
from what i've read, the renders have been guessing wrong and all have been a bit higher/larger than what it actually is. Maybe im out of the loops on the latest info. were you able to get some verification on exact dimensions?

I used the USB port and disk slot size as my reference and took average
it's around 156x156x310 in my pictures

sleepr said:
I like the design but it's huge and it doesn't look good when put on horizontal position.

yeah if the bottom circular base is not removable it doesn't look as good in horizontal

JaggedSac · Dec 17, 2019

brokenswiftie said:
Made some renders on how the "dark tower" will look in a typical home setup
It's pretty big, won't fit in my TV stand so ill have to keep the console on the stand next to the TV, same like the switch
but the look is growing on me, it blends in pretty well with everything

Personal preference and all, but I would move it to the back and move the plant to the other side.

Kleegamefan · Dec 17, 2019

Expy said:
Pfft, nice edit :P

I'm the king of edits

Edit:Did you see what I just did?
Told you I was bad at this :(

Dizastah · Dec 17, 2019

JaggedSac said:
Personal preference and all, but I would move it to the back and move the plant to the other side.

Same here. For some reason that setup is messing with me. :)

xolsec · Dec 17, 2019

gaffertape said:
New and improved N7P, N7+ or N6 process
New and innovative cooling solution
A lot bigger footprint than last gen consoles

You need all that combined to happen and even in that case it's a HUGE stretch.
So far no regular desktop GPU is running close to 2GHz base clock.
To get 2GHz without throttling you need to undervolt and water cool your GPU

That's a huge risk or financially prohibitive though. But I guess this is a speculation thread after all

R IS REAL 2041 · Dec 17, 2019

Sunlight said:
PS5 52CUs 2.1GHz, 13.98TFlops.

Could insiders give a score for this math?

599/10

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