If one console is delayed cause of Coronavirus i don't see how can other console have much more then some paper launch.
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Both PS5 and Xbox SX used the same type of components, from the same factory, and uses Foxconn for the production.
So yes, the two have the same issue.
Yep. Because even if the main production move from China to Vietnam, the components still comes from China.
And you can't assemble a product if you are not able to have the components... (yeah that's Captain Obvious speaking)
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Yeah... Tell that to Sega.
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After the huge success of the Mega Drive, Sega was filled with confidence about its future. But then on this week, twenty years ago, everything fell apart
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Delaying the launch would be a strategic decision, though, and the companies don't share the same strategy.
It's unlikely that COVID-19 would make production of either product impossible. What's more likely is that the production costs would increase, due to a reduced supply of components and increased demand for factory output. The consoles are likely to have different amounts of margin, are potentially targeting different price points entirely, and are made by different companies with differing tolerances for risk and differing willingness to eat the temporarily higher production costs in order to secure a 2020 release (especially if their competitor doesn't). Delaying is a decision, and I don't see how you can assume that both companies will make the same decision, given their different positions in the market and different strategic goals.
I think it's most likely that neither will delay, precisely because each company lacks the guarantee that the other will also delay and they don't want to risk giving the other a potential edge. (A delay could also damage the platform vendor's relationship with third parties at the very start of the generation, which is not ideal.) It is a completely unsupported assumption to say that one company delaying will guarantee that the other must also delay. It isn't hard to envision a scenario where one company (say, the market leader) chooses to delay to avoid high production costs, while the other (a hungry challenger) is willing to pay the higher costs because the other delayed.
Citation needed on "from the same factory," too. Foxconn has lots of factories.
Maybe my English is not good enough for me to make myself understood correctly. Sorry.
I never said that there would necessarily be consequences for Next-Gen.
I just said that IF consequences there should be, it would inevitably affect the two manufacturers in the same proportions.
IF there were to be consequences, and only IF.
And the words of the Zhuge don't contradict that. He is only saying that at this point, we are not able to say if ther will be consequences or not. And I've never said the opposit either.
You can assemble the console in any factory of your choice anywhere in the world, you can move it anywhere in the world if it needs to be moved.
BUT, the basic components require special processes which cannot be moved to any factory with a snap of the fingers.
And the two consoles being based on the same types of components, AMD RNDA, which necessarily come from the same factories whatever happens...
This is exactly what happens to Samsung and Nintendo, they moved the assemble of their products in Vietnam due to Coronavirus issues... But their bases components still needs to be prodcuts in the same chinese factory and can't be moved...
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No problem, i agree , it's still a big IF but delay is a possibility if things don't return to normal by April-May.
It's not necessary that the two companies are affected on the same level though. Sony might be needing more consoles assembled for the same time frame based on internal projections and thus being far more liable to delays. In addition, based on the selected price point, Sony might again be more sensitive to price hikes versus MS which might have already picked a price that's high enough to mitigate any NAND shortages for example.
So, even though the two companies might be affected in a similar way, the final outcome might be vey different based on pricing and launch period unit orders. You can definitely have a scenario where MS thinks it can produce 3m units at $499 but Sony is unable to ensure 6m units at $399 after the price hikes.
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We begins to heard about coronavirus in Vietnam, South Korea. I think there is a real possibility of 2021 next generation console release, after this is less important than people health.
That was the dumbest move anyone could have made, making it literally available at that moment. If Sony were to show it off in May or June, or even August, I think a November launch would still be fine. But no, they shouldn't show it off literally one month before.Yeah... Tell that to Sega.
Sega Saturn: how one decision destroyed PlayStation's greatest rival
After the huge success of the Mega Drive, Sega was filled with confidence about its future. But then on this week, twenty years ago, everything fell apart
There is a reason Sega is in the software business now.
But I've never denied that this is a big IF.
It's an enormous IF.
But I was responding to a specific message originally, who was talking about the possibility or there would be a problem.
And I was saying "EVENTUAL" problems since the begining
Let's be clear : You will not delay the entire launch because you can only produce like 80% of the planned quantities.
If they decide to delay the launch, it is because the consequences on the quantities will be very, very, very important, and therefore that they will be a problem for both.
Unless you think Xbox is genuinely planning to launch with less than half of PS5's planned quantities
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I don't even understand what you're talking about. Nobody is talking about moving production out of China.
I really don't know how to make it any clearer than my previous post, Phoenix15. Delaying is a strategic decision, and two different companies with different strategies may not make the same decision. It's really as simple as that. Even if they face the exact same problem (increased production cost) they may not respond to it in the exact same way.
Exactly.
We are talking about production issues. It's not strategical.
What is the strategy to maintain a launch if you find yourself in the material impossibility of manufacturing your product ?
That's what we are talking about :
We are not talking about canceled an event attending "just in case" here...
The coronavirus which forces Nex-Gen to be postponed means that the manufacturers find themselves in the physical and material incapacity to manufacture the consoles. And nothing else.
So there is no strategy here
I meant launch period in general. Sony would want to ensure a constant supply at a set cost to them. It's not just about the first few months but the 2021 as well. If Sony is projecting 20m vs 10m for the first 12 months it's a big difference.
Better a more reduced launch with management of breaks than a fully delayed launch leaving room for the competitor.
But again, there is talk of a huge impact on the quantities for them to make this decision.
An impact that will inevitably hit both
(Again, Microsoft produces as much in China at Sony, and they both use the same types of AMD CPUs)
China has a very efficient infrastructure in place, that is why things are built there and why they will continue to build there.
Oh my god.
"Production Strategist" is literally a job title. Companies like Sony and Microsoft have entire departments devoted to the strategy of responding to things just like this.
I'm going to speak as clearly as I can: it is extremely unlikely that it will be materially impossible to manufacture PlayStations this year. You keep talking about quantities and it being "impossible." That's fundamentally the wrong way to think of it. If it's literally impossible to source the required NAND chips by midsummer — like if any production has become impossible — then we have way bigger problems than PlayStations; that would be, like, global economic collapse territory. That is so far outside of the models it is not what anyone is talking about when they are talking about a potential delay.
Think of it in terms of production cost. The concern isn't that the components won't exist, the issue is that they would be supply-constrained (with a knock-on effect from the fab closures) and a steady demand on a limited supply would push the price up. Then, both hardware vendors would have to make a decision: either pay the higher costs or push out the timeline. And the two vendors might choose to different things, because it is a choice.
The issue isn't really one of production becoming impossible, it's one of production becoming impractical, and each vendor might draw the line for "impractical" in a different place.
Yeah... Tell that to Sega.
Sega Saturn: how one decision destroyed PlayStation's greatest rival
After the huge success of the Mega Drive, Sega was filled with confidence about its future. But then on this week, twenty years ago, everything fell apart
That was more a logistics and supply failure, coupled with a staggered global rollout which pissed off the hardcore who imported from Japan at a massive cost only to be hit with a stealth US release at a half the price than they paid. The market and how people buy has changed. Apple et al have all went for an imminent launch model of product marketing. As long as you nail the logistics, there's little point in the 6 month wait.
Don't forget the poor wages of the staff making it cheaper :)
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Off-Topic - Did they actually pay them directly? I thought they didn't get any payment in many first months. Just free training and living on campus. Like Univerisity.
But again, in China, the minimum wage is like $400 a month.
I still think it's a bad idea. Consoles don't release on a yearly basis. They're supposed to last you an entire generation, so marketing them well does have an impact. Just look at the launch of the PS4 and X1.
Besides, Microsoft won't let up - They'll likely have their own conference before E3 and they'll be at E3 as well. Not to mention PAX and GDC. Sony showing nothing until some month/s before launch is a horrible, horrible idea, IMO.
The success of the PS4 partially proves that.
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That's pretty big odds for a novel virus that we have basically no immunity against just now.
And the risk of infection is small because it is being contained, what do you think happens if we just let it spread for a little while?
If the virus situation takes too long to improve I could see world wide launches becoming regional. Imagine both launching this holiday in their biggest markets first, Microsoft launching in North America and Sony launching in Europe. That would make for some interesting sales data and internet insanity.
That title is really annoying me lol.Yeah... Tell that to Sega.
Sega Saturn: how one decision destroyed PlayStation's greatest rival
After the huge success of the Mega Drive, Sega was filled with confidence about its future. But then on this week, twenty years ago, everything fell apart
Sega was Nintendo's greatest rival, not Sony, Sony just came out and put them in the ground (also due to Sega decisions) so to call them great rivals would be silly.
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Microsoft/Xbox is not at PAX East. Check the list of exhibitors. As for GDC, we have no idea if more companies will pull out yet. I think we won't hear anything from Xbox until E3.
Sony, yea, we should hear something before then. Do a state of play if your worried for your employees. Hell, do more wired articles.
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Oh nice. The Xbox One reveal was May last time I believe. So let's go May.
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not really. someone found a patent or a job listing of a guy who worked on some kind of ssd or ram implementation on the xbox series x that doesnt use the kind of dram Sony is using.
also sony's cooling solution is more expensive which means they are going with higher clocks and that always has a potential to fuck things up.
Possibly yes or no. See 2013 Hynix fire. Impacted Xbox but not Playstation.
Sony also has a patent for DRAM-less SSD, which is most likely what they will be using as well.
To be fair, this was back in December before the Coronavirus really took off.
Further to this, it is quite likely that Sony will have modelled needing a certain amount of nand, and Microsoft have probably got a different value in mind due to the different amounts of consoles they each are expecting to sell in different territories at launch.
Also you know Sony needs that HBM2 😉
Dude Bloomberg article was all kinds of confused. They were talking about DRAM and NAND for cameras unrelated to PS5, very sketchy IMO. No doubt the price may be impacted by DRAM, it's needed for the GDDR6, but that goes for XSX as well, and XSS if that truly is the case.
wouldnt they have locked in the contracts by now? we are only 8 months from launch which means all the parts are probably manufactured already and being sent for assembly.
maybe it will impact the cost next year but i would imagine sony and MS have already signed the deals and the money has likely already exchanged hands.
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