Is there a video demonstrating no variable rate shading vs. variable rate shading 1 vs. variable rate shading 2?
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3Dmark has a test suite that would give you the numbers. But I do not know what GPUs are already support VRS on AMD. Intel yes, Nvidia I guess yes.
Only Gen11 iGPUs from Intel support VRS, and only supports Tier1
All Turing GPUs from NVIDIA support both Tier 1 and Tier 2
No AMD GPU supports VRS at the moment
VRS tier 2 offers up to 50% fps increase for negligible graphical trade-off.
Courtesy of resident expert dgrdsv. In combination with the flop efficiencies, the RPM, the conservative rasterizer, VRS the 10TF+ Navi in the new console might actually perform like a 20TF+ Polaris part in certain scenarios. That's not even including the RT/AI capabilities.
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They're mostly their VR patents related to foveated rendering and other dynamic LOD techniques.
Yep, I gotcha now. I see that we were both arguing that you can't directly compare the different architectures. I gotta improve my reading comprehension. Haha
Yeah i know but they give you idea they also work certain aspect of things like that .
"Insiders"
To be fair...at this time Myerson held the pocket books for Xbox. Xbox had just canceled projects. Just closed studios. Had no big exclusives rumored in development outside of Halo, Gears and Forza. Weren't putting 1st party games on Game Pass day 1. Weren't talking Xcloud. There were rumors swirling that Nadella was considering getting rid of Xbox.
Not coincidentally, Spencer refuted this Tweet only to get promoted a few months later. Obviously knew things nobody else did. Not coincedentally, Spencer admitted Nadella questioned keeping Xbox before changing course and tripling down on them. Things change. It doesn't make insiders wrong. They dont always get the most up to date information of the conversations of high level execs...and corporations move slow on those conversations.
If anything, that tweet shows how far the division has come in less than 3 years.
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Team RDNA2 won!
Holy shit what a beast :o
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Lockhart $299: CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz GPU Navi 6 Teraflops RAM 12GB GDDR6 ROM 1TB SSD PS5 $499: CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz GPU Navi 10 Teraflops RAM 16GB GDDR6 ROM 1TB NVMe SSD Anaconda $499: CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz GPU Navi 12 Teraflops RAM 16GB GDDR6 ROM 1TB NVMe SSD
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Great OP :) My prediction: Xbox Scarlett CPU: Zen 2 8C/16T @ 3.4GHz GPU: RDNA2 @ 1.5GHz~1.8GHz and 10.3TF~12TF RAM: 16GB GDDR6 @ 560GB/s SSD: 1TB NVMe @ 5GB/s $499
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Team RDNA2 won!
Holy shit what a beast :o
Why does PS5 smell like RDNA1?
Bring the arguments on the table...
He was Principal Engineer on PS5 and those words sound like somebody working on RDNA with curiosity about RDNA 2 improvements.
you need eyetracking and that's a reallllllllly difficult thing to get right
he could find out more at GDC if he any pressing questions ;)
damn, you shouldve started with that. never heard of this guy.
this could also be taken a different way. maybe they saw AMD's rt solution and decided to go another way because of those limitations he talked about.
This does sound like Sony is taking a different approach, he also seems quite bullish here and sceptical about XSX ability to achieve these things, which I'm assuming PS5 is capable of. Interesting.
The comment sounds slightly facetious to me, rather than a serious inquiry.
PS5 is, necessarily, something different to first gen RDNA given its confirmed featureset. Whether that's 'RDNA2' or some custom revision in between or something else entirely, who knows.
Yeah it reads to me like the PS5 can do all of that without RNDA2 and not that its weaker or whatever.
But its probably better to just not read too much into it.
Probably asking to compare those implementations on PS5. 😉
To be more explicit: he is potentially laying out an issue he sees with VRS as it stands that Sony has already solved by virtue of their work with VR, and is asking rhetorically. I.e. he's flexing here.
He wouldn't have been able to bring it up apropos of nothing otherwise.
I'm sorry, I was led to believe that Cerny sits alone in an ivory tower and forges PlayStation consoles by himself.
Amd already confirmed that their RT solution will be use on the ps5....
I asked a follow-up question if he can answer the first two questions with "yes" for PS5. He should be able to do that ...
Yeah, definitely sounds more like someone that actually knows the data and is being facetious.
This.
lol, you think he's actually going to confirm anything about the PS5 that hasn't already been announced? No way.
Actually without knowing the exact details that might still not be wrong or let's say the console "RDNA2" might have some differences when compared to the PC RDNA2 GPUs.
The marketing department has a lot of freedom in terms of what it calls the underlying technology, especially with words as "based on", "custom XYZ".
PS4 and Xbox One were officially based on GCN2 but they missed a few instructions compared to the PC GCN2.
For the PS4 Pro GPU is was a wild mix of several GCN generations, it was not Polaris/GCN4 technology as a uniform baseline with some extras.
Depending on the details the term RDNA1.7 might be more suitable or RDNA1.9 or maybe there is no meaningful difference at all and a distinction would make little sense, at least from a marketing perspective, then yeah, let's call it RDNA2.
What is left of GCN in RDNA1 which would change for RDNA2?
Computerbase made a test comparing the 5700 against the 2070 with a locked clock speed of 1.5 Ghz, the same bandwidth and core number.
Across 15 games both were performing the same on average:
https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07...4/#abschnitt_navi_vs_vega_vs_turing_vs_pascal
The 2070 Super has a boost clock rating of 1.89 Ghz, leading to 9.7TF.
In practise the FE version mostly hit that boost clock, in some cases it was lower:
https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07...er-test/2/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_2560__1440
The 5700XT reference card used in practise often times slightly lower clock speeds than the 2070 Super FE:
https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07...hnitt_die_tatsaechlichen_taktraten_unter_last
Note that Sony didn't use their own feature for original TLOU, and Uncharted. Foregive me for not holding my breathe.
It's just my own speculation, but I'm feeling 9-10TF for PS5
With all the information and marketing statements out there, this just feels like what we are heading to.
I know it's not super popular to say that in here, but that's my opinion.
With all the information and marketing statements out there, this just feels like what we are heading to.
I know it's not super popular to say that in here, but that's my opinion.
Gears of War Ultimate Edition wasn't free for Gears of War 360 owners, was it? Master Chief Collection wasn't free for Halo 2/3/4 owners, was it?
Companies change and are competitive with each other.
I think the only flack you'll get is that you're basing it on a feeling, and feelings don't really have any substance to them.
The only numbers data we have is the Github leak from a April 2019 chip, which goes against what every single insider has said/alluded to with current PS5 specs.
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