at least 2 industry members are saying they heard rumors of its cancellation.
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Yeah, I think Sony having dev kits out so early might give them a leg up on making next gen games that take advantage of the new hardware sooner.
Bells and whistles is generally all to be expected from launch titles if the last two generations are any indication. When's the last time a launch game delivered previously impossible gameplay? People often sight Ryse and Killzone, but those were, visual leaps, but not game changers in any other sense.
That said, I expect Turn10s execution as developers of a technical showpiece on XSX will rival that of any other day 1 game on any platform, despite it being a cross-gen game. (That is, ofcourse, assuming Forza Motorsport gets announced as a launch title)
We don't really know if Spider-Man was anything more than a demo made just to show off the SSD speed. Even then, if it is a game, apart from texture streaming and loading speeds, what is going to separate it from a game built for just a HDD?
"Something that could" have been in dev kits for years is not a given. Plus, how much turnaround time are you thinking here? 2 years 3 years for AAA launch games that have been built specifically to take advantage of the hardware? 3years would mean that devs have been working away since 2017... Sounds a little hopeful imo. But not to be 100% discredited mind you.
But then add what has happened in the past, and like I said the difference between launch games and games that arrive a couple of years later. I am still very skeptical of the cross gen effects on launch games.
If cross gen persists into 2022 and beyond, then it will be a different story I think.
At this point, even if they were planning a stage event they could just film that and upload it (some adjustments but the basic structure could be kept)
If you'd look at the mid gen consoles you'd see that they mostly only improved the GPU. They didn't change the CPU except for a minor upclock and did nothing with the HDD so the reason they exist has nothing to do with Jaguar & HDDs but rather lack of GPU power. The same thing is going to be the case next gen.
Also I don't think you really know what the word enthusiast means. Even current enthusiast PCs are already beyond what a console is going to offer at the end of this year but that's just to be expected as they cost $1000+ more and aren't constrained as much by power draw & temperature. By the end of this year Nvidia will have released their 7nm cards and the current high end cards will be mid range again. That's just how it goes.
I think there is a lot of games that has been developed without any specific platform in mind (except the PC), which will end as next-gen exclusives.
For example, Beyond Good and Evil 2 has been reannounced in 2017 and I really doubt it will launch on current-gen, even if next-gen wasn't a thing in 2017. I think Ubisoft Montpellier create the game that they want, with the tech that they have, and when if will be close to the end of its development, they will think about which plateform launch it on.
The weird thing is that while Barcelona's Congress has been cancelled, another Mobile congress is happening in Amsterdam, with some of the companies that decided not to go to Barcelona. It's a little bit strange...
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Faster texture streaming it's self could be a big change .( it will be for devs )
Some thing being build around the SSD don't have to have a huge impact it just has to be something that can't be done on the HDD.
If we use as spidey as a eg again him going 3 or 4 times faster is not a huge change to us but it's still something that could not be done on the HDD.
Also lets use HZD 2 they have most likely being working on that since the DLC done in 2017 and using low speed dev kits which had SSD in them.
SSD are not a new thing and with them knowing they will use one for PS5 early dev kits will have them even if they not at full speed.
Yes games that come out later on will take more advantage of the hardware but the jump from SSD to HDD so big that they can take advantage of it right away .
Kind of really doubt it at this point, outside of Asia, the virus has been pretty well contained. There would be no reason to cancel it if no other shows in the U.S. have been cancelled for it either.
If we won't get anythign by tomorrow, then don't expect anythign to be announced this month, let alone something happening this month.
Sony wouldn't have skipped E3 to not hold an event near it or after it. That is when they gonna reveal the PS5.
Sony wouldn't have skipped E3 to not hold an event near it or after it. That is when they gonna reveal the PS5.
MWC is in Barcelona. I guess a lot of hardware would be being shipped from China but stil.
Maybe GDC is more US/European centric but still - aside from organiser doubts, you just need to get a few of the big sponsors expressing concern and the cracks will rapidly spread
Being able to travel by land from Asia there was probably a factor, I'm not following Coronavirus very much aside from the breakthrough news that comes up once in a while, so I'm not very familiar with the situation in Europe, but over in NA it's pretty much non-existant.
the latest news on it from the GDC site is that chinese exhibitors are affected and that update was yesterday.
https://www.gdconf.com/novel-coronavirus-update
https://www.gdconf.com/novel-coronavirus-update
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I am okay with this if it's true. People's lives are more important than an event which can be done later.
Yep, exactly as I thought. Flying in by plane makes cancelling events in NA much tougher. Travel restrictions and security make it much harder for people to slip by undetected with the virus.
You really believe that in todays times the ability to travel by land does take a role in the spreading of a virus?
lol
thanks. That reads like solid precautionary measures, plus a small enough impacted group of attendees to not pressure a cancellation of the event
I'm starting to doubt about Cerny though. If he doesn't get them flops right :D
We don't know what it will look like on the One yet, but what I do know is that one of the early threads about the title saw just about every third reply being someone saying something along the lines of "welp, I guess the next-gen has arrived". I don't think that the existence of a One version was known at the time, but that doesn't really matter, this was recognised as a next-gen experience from the first time people laid eyes on it and learnt of the scale of its ambition.
To me, it's clearly a real next-gen experience, regardless of its cross-gen nature, but based on the conversations in this thread, it seems that isn't possible despite the evidence in front of us.
Would it be better for all of us if both companies decide to cancell their 2020 holiday launch and go for a 2021/2022 with Zen 3 or am I dreaming?
Oke, only Knack 3 at launch can save him then.
Wow, is that kind of talk allowed around here
Oke, only Knack 3 at launch can save him then.
I feel like a heretic around here sometimes, i fall asleep when he speaks, and i have never played Knack.
I should hand in my PSN account really.
Well, sure it takes a role in a "neighborhood".
But on international scale?
No, land connections are not necassary to spread a virus, nor even take a big role in that scale, the biggest role playing flight connections.
That is why there are currently no lufthansa china flights from europe.
I think you should look up barcelona and china on google earth, or somewhere.
And check some travel times for land travel.
I think you should look up how long the virus has been around and spreading. This isn't a week, or even month old virus/health crisis. It doesn't have to spread directly from China to Barcelona, it spreads through Asia->Europe, and then internally through Europe. By land, it makes this much easier to slip by.
Well, everyone is free to believe what he wants.
And maybe you are right.
But i can assure you that every corona infected in europe came form china per aircraft.
But maybe all these land travelers are still on their route.
China -> Any other asian country, can be done by land, and from those countries? Any mode of transport really.
Also, recently: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/europe/steve-walsh-uk-coronavirus-patient-intl-gbr/index.html
From Singapore to France, to UK, no China.
Not sure about that. 8K TV may exist, but it is still far earlier in its lifespan than 4K was in 2013. In three or four years time when these mid-gen refreshes are likely to appear, the install base of 8K TVs is likely to be vanishingly small.
And did he came from singapore to france per land travel ?
Maybe we are both wrong.
You have higher chance to die in the travel between your home and the event than being infect in the event and die.
Yeah, no one done this.
So originaly throught air transport...
Like I said this a long time ago, a 2021 release would have been perfect for best power/price combo, Zen 3, RDNA 2 around 17 Tflops and more.
This year won't be empty anyway and we still have amazing games to be released on current gen.
And more RT samples.
I think the 4K penetration of 2013 (that wasn't that big) will be the same as the 8K one in 2024.
XD
I played both till midway then I got bored. (Hope I won't get lynched)
It's cool compared to all the other type Sony games we have, but not for my liking.
In IT, you can say that every month and you ended up by doing nothing.
Could they pull it off and with that I mean the redesign part.
This report reminds me of the film Contagion (Soderbergh, 2011) in it there was a fight against time to find the patient zero and how the first transmission had occurred as people died left and right and humanity was on the verge of collapse and extinction...
of course, frame rate too (because games will mostly be 30 FPS in 4 years)
People look at ryse with some sort of distorted goggles. Looking at it now so many games surpassed it
Sure, by air first, but it didn't have to be. There are so many countries connected by land in Asia/Europe/Africa, the only way for it to travel from there to NA would be by air. There have only been a handful of cases in Canada, and probably a little more in the U.S. which is probably the country that is the most stringent on border-crossing.
I don't know since now everything is set in stoens architecture wise (clocks and memory size may still be discussed) but if they targetted 2021 from the start, they could have shipped RDNA1+ Zen 2 devkits for nwo then later they could upgrade the devkits to match the final specs.
You will be surprised to know that we will get more 60 FPS next-gen than this gen.
You're free to try, your probably of success is probably zero though. :D
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