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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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Doesn't really make sense as early Oberon/Ariel was linked to Navi 10 LITE.
I must have missed that.
I agree with this, there are obviously still considerable optimisations available to AMD when comparing the first gen Navi with what has been revealed since
I think it was just a single or two sentences in the CES presser, not on slide. Easy to miss.
Or they know that the Pro's cooling situation was garbage and want to do better for PS5. Or maybe they're going for a smaller form factor that needs better cooling.
I don't know if we can say this yet, though. Has there been an massively successful $499 console? Didn't even the Pro launch at $399?
One thing to realize is that expensive cooling solution doesn't necessarily mean extremely higher clock speeds.
We absolutely have no idea what Sony's purpose is in using such expensive cooling.
Edit: extreme high clocks like 2GHz is not desirable for products like consoles for two reasons 1) higher TDP and 2) Poor yields.
We absolutely have no idea what Sony's purpose is in using such expensive cooling.
Edit: extreme high clocks like 2GHz is not desirable for products like consoles for two reasons 1) higher TDP and 2) Poor yields.
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Possibly but not sure how you draw that conclusion. The PS4 Pro sounds like a jet engine becomes of how poor of a solution it is. This doesn't mean the clock rate will be higher because they are going for a more robust cooling solution.
Again, we don't have a clear picture yet.
It makes sense in principle. This is what they promised was happening by deploying Zen engineers to RTG to make power efficiency improvements. Sounds like it just didn't happen with RDNA 1.0 as hoped.
Someone is going to have to help me understand why everyone thinks the cooling system somehow pushed Sony to a much higher BOM.
The article literally says Sony spent a few dollars per unit vs less than a dollar. Even if it increased the BOM from $445 to $450 it means they either never planned on a sub $400 BoM console or the same parts in the PS5 are going to be subject to increased costs with any MS console.
The article literally says Sony spent a few dollars per unit vs less than a dollar. Even if it increased the BOM from $445 to $450 it means they either never planned on a sub $400 BoM console or the same parts in the PS5 are going to be subject to increased costs with any MS console.
I am having problems to believe that. Making very good cooling solutions isn't new and expensive. Like I said few pages before, there are several mobile workstations with a ordinary cooling solution which didn't had a high BOM. I can't believe Sony has trouble to with quality and pricing.
$500 is £385 according to Siri. PS4 launched here at £350. I'm not seeing a massive difference. Anything £400 and I'm absolutely happy to pay that. I can't see anyone in the UK seeing that as expensive for what we're going to be getting. £450 is my upper limit before it starts feeling too expensive.
People don't talk about the biggest takeaway from that article?
No Ps5 exclusives either in the early days of the new console generation.
No Ps5 exclusives either in the early days of the new console generation.
you read that part wrong. it was referring to third party titles.
Bluepoint game is a ps5 game, and it's expected at launch. I wouldn't be surprised if they have 2 or 3 exclusives on day one.
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The article doesn't say that, so maybe that's why people aren't talking about that.
$500 would probably translate to £449 in 2020. Xbox One X was £449 in 2017, while the XB1 was £429 in 2013. PS4 Pro at $399 was £349.
US price does not have tax as it varies by state.
So $499 is £460 with that added on. And then you have cost of business differences to factor in as well.
The PS3 launched for £425 for context.
Worry less about the actual figures, but what the figures represent and keep in mind Sony is a business whose objective is to make the most amount of money.
If the 'hardcore' is going to lap it up a console at $499 then why didn't Sony price the PS4 higher - because surely the hardcore would have lapped it up?
Instead of making a loss on every console they could have made a profit.
Let's say they still wanted to undercut MS - let's say $449. Apparently the hardcore would still buy it but all of a sudden they've taken nearly $500m extra revenue in the first couple of years.
But they didn't.
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Also, I'm seeing some thinly veiled console wars over the last 10 pages or so. Cut it out, mmkay? Let's keep this fun.
Just remember the wise words from Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan
Also, I'm seeing some thinly veiled console wars over the last 10 pages or so. Cut it out, mmkay? Let's keep this fun.
Just remember the wise words from Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan
I can't see that being true. Sony have already said Bluepoint's game is PS5 only I believe, and no other WWS games after TLOU2 and GoT have been announced for PS4. I doubt Sony will suddenly announce multiple PS4 games for release this year/early next year and also it would discourage PS4 owners to upgrade at a fast pace per Jim Ryan.
Maybe the article is just talking about third-party? In which case d'oh!
You're forgetting the dreaded VAT which comes to £467 and a probable £450 price point.
PS4 was 400 usd which was around £280-300, add in the VAT makes it £350 back then.
XBO was $499, 499 euro and £430. With a slightly weaker pound it will be £450-70 including VAT.
UK/Europe has ~20% VAT included in the price while US charge it afterwards, so it will be $399 plus tax over there, which can be around 2-7%
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Yeah Sony will have exclusives.
After reading that "report" I couldn't help but feel like most of the info was just gathered from previous rumors and statements made by sony during their financial call. Only thing that didnt seem new was the dram shortage. I personally question hoe much real investigative work went into this report.
You know it won't translate like that in Sterling. It was only £50 lower in 2013 and the exchange rate is a lot worse in 2020 due to brexit. It will be £450. Also never forget to add taxes when calculating. $500 is really $600 when a 20% tax is added.
Bloomberg isn't a Forbes contributor. Don't try and discredit a reporter just because the information doesn't match what you would like to hear.
Takashi is a well regarded tech journalist based in Japan who has been covering asian tech companies for the WSJ for years. He just left the WSJ at year end to join Bloomberg
Sure, but when are those games going to be released?
Sony didn't talk about any next gen games yet at all.
They won't be at E3. So they reveal launch exclusives 3 months before the console launch?
We don't even have rumors about Ps5 exclusive games. The console will launch in 9 months.
Github leak is looking more and more legit imo.
Yeah I don't get why we have to try and discredit everything, Bloomberg has a well sourced and proven track record.
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The notion that because one product has maybe 20% less power is losing 'the design battle'. If that was the case the original Xbox would be the best designed console, for it's time, of all time. This clearly isn't the case.
He wrote that initial $460-$520 prediction range in December, so I don't think that was taking into account the increased prices.
It's been said a million times already in this thread. It's only third party games which will be cross gen, as has been the case for the last 2 generations
Not trying to discredit anyone and I have zero issue with what I heard. I was just pointing out that many rumors already pointed to most of these things so yes when I read the report it felt like it was just grabbed from other reports and rumors regardless of how creditable it is. I read it late last night but I'll re read it again since I dont remember seeing many personal sources .
Actually the dram shortage concerns me a bit but not really.
Edit: another reason I felt that way is that he states no exclusives when sony themselves have said there will be exclusives. Bluepoints game is supposed to be ps5 exclusive for example. If you can get that wrong what else can you get wrong?
" Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.'s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit "
This suggests that the original expected build cost was cheaper .
My only question is how they completed a BOM on a console where we can't even tell if it has a proprietary PS screw .
This suggests that the original expected build cost was cheaper .
My only question is how they completed a BOM on a console where we can't even tell if it has a proprietary PS screw .
He's probably talking about third-party titles and not exclusives
I really can't say what they're doing right now. This long a silence doesn't feel right (for Sony) and clearly everyone including journalists and analysts are starting to grumble about it now.
I think these threads wil just be a whole lot more peaceful if we all just agree that the PS5 is 8-9TF.
This obviously at the core of every kinda console warring that comes into these threads.
At worst they are right and the PS5 is 8-9TF... or at best they are wrong and the PS5 ends u being more powerful.
This obviously at the core of every kinda console warring that comes into these threads.
At worst they are right and the PS5 is 8-9TF... or at best they are wrong and the PS5 ends u being more powerful.
If the XSX is a bit more expensive, it makes sense to be more powerful. That doesn't mean that the gap is too significant, since it's exaggerated here. They will surely be close if the production cost is similar. And if not, it's because they are targeting different potential customers.
Everyone who thinks that Sony or MS are doomed are fanboys who have trouble seeing reality.
Everyone who thinks that Sony or MS are doomed are fanboys who have trouble seeing reality.
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