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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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if github is the direction we can expect retail ps5 to be based on it would predict a lower BOM (smaller wafer) and special cooling (2.0 clocks). this latest article is confirmation of NOTHING, but could support the 36/40 CU 2.0 speed demon. (disclaimer, not the only "conclusion" that could be supported i'm sure)
I'm I the only one who doesn't care about TF? I just want the PS5 to have mind blowing exclusive games that look better than PS4 games. I'm easy to please
Sure. If that's the case you think his sources would know the difference and not just tell him no exclusives. It's kind of an important distinction to make sure not to leave out if you ask me. If your an potential investor reading this report you will probably assume ps5 will just have no exclusives at launch and may sway your decision on if you should buy or sell.
I doubt most of the people reading that article are saying "well he probably means just 3rd parties"
You're not the only one. I'm just ready to hear about launch lineup, price, release date. And that's for the Series X as well.
I just don't want one console maker to be fumbling every generation.
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo.
Why can't they for once all 3 deliver without some fuckups?
That would be something new and refreshing^^
Sure it's a bit premature, we can't say that about Sony yet with certainty. But so far the launch is at least super unsuaual.
Well said. Always nice to read someone making a rational comment.
When the BOM increases to keep it under control one of the options is to reduce or eliminate extraneous non-critical features or peripherals.
god, some of these takes
Which ones? I am sorry but with that tech inside the 5; I can't see it being 399.
Nobody knows what the BOM is as Sony have revealed nothing in terms of specs.
The delay could be that Sony believe they have completely beaten Microsoft and don't want to give them time to respond, I don't think you can assume they know Microsoft have the stronger console so have decided to go radio silent, they would be out punching in my opinion.
However I do think people will be disappointed if you're just judging on Teraflops for both the XSX and PS5, these consoles will not be orders of magnitude greater than Xbox One X, the cost of the parts just doesn't make it viable, they will be able to produce much better games though and that's all that matters really isn't it.
The delay could be that Sony believe they have completely beaten Microsoft and don't want to give them time to respond, I don't think you can assume they know Microsoft have the stronger console so have decided to go radio silent, they would be out punching in my opinion.
However I do think people will be disappointed if you're just judging on Teraflops for both the XSX and PS5, these consoles will not be orders of magnitude greater than Xbox One X, the cost of the parts just doesn't make it viable, they will be able to produce much better games though and that's all that matters really isn't it.
Nothing revealed recently has done anything to strengthen it as final configuration. Making a general statement like this without supporting evidence just makes you look like you have an agenda.
It's still, absent of any other factors or knowledge, a strange approach.
I'm not disputing the Github stuff, it just seems a strange approach to go small and fast rather than wide and slow. Any savings you make per wafer using a smaller APU essentially get lost by the clock tolerance (obviously only Amd and Sony will know the exact trade off there and it's unlikely to be a 1:1 thing so potentially it's a saving but if you're having to go into exotic cooling to get it in tolerance it really can't be much of a saving)
Their CMOS image sensor has DRAM stacked onto it.
Ah thanks. I thought it was saying that the system DRAM would be affected - didn't know that the camera itself has DRAM
This has nothing to do with peripherals. It's their DSLR Alpha camera.
It's amazing to see people think that camera is PS5 related.
I can't believe phones have gotten up to $1,300 usd, and people buy them every year or every two years, but refuse to buy a console that will last at least 7 years for more than 500 usd!
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
This is pathetic and it just hurts the industry. The console they could make if they could sell you a console at 999.
People really have double standards
agreed. (if true) sony must have felt "locked in" at that size for some reason or another. could be the initial 2019 launch date (i think less likely) or the rumored push and difficulty with getting BC working. still, i dont think this scenario would make for an underpowered system by any stretch. as i've posted elsewhere, a narrow and fast gpu could be beneficial in some scenarios (it think) AND it is only one component of the system anyways (and i think its all but certain the SSD is something special in ps5 at the very least).
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I used the word " in my opinion" because its clearly my opinion and not a general statement. Not sure why you're so triggered over me having an opinion on something. The anger over people having opinions on factual evidence is weird.
I mean you don't pay for online on your phone and dont buy $60 games for it.
Sorry I'm glancing through the thread updates and got a bit confused
Also, we had no news regarding the PS4/One at this point back then. Sony has been talking about the PS5 for a year now and MS has even showed the console.
Because the allusion of consensus without evidence is a deception tactic. Of course the statement is your opinion. This thread is almost exclusively opinions. Also, suggesting people pointing out your bullshit are being "triggered" is just gaslighting.
Um no you have some weird persecution complex going on, literally I posted my opinion on the matter you're fine to have your very own in the speculation thread. I didn't quote @ or direct my comment towards anyone.
Yeah they were on the 'super slims' by then which this gens consoles haven't had. Another reason going to late 2020 wasn't a good move as the much lower sales now show. I guess the Wired articles for PS5 from April 2019 haven't helped either.
I'd happily pay $1,000 for a console if its power was relative to its cost. However most people see their phone as a utility (or many utilities) and only a minority (maybe people like us) value our consoles in such a way. Also I'd imagine the mark-up on phones is pretty significant and it is all tied into the contract model, the fact that a Samsung phone retails for nearly double in the EU/US than in some Asian countries must mean they are simply scalping tjose willing to pay, something that I doubt you would want to be the case for consoles.
Tbf when I first read the article I also assumed that, there was a rumour a long time ago both were launching with cameras and the context of the article does guide you into thinking its about the PS5 BOM. I find it unbelievable that there is a shortage of Dram to the point where Sony have to prioritise which product lines it goes into.
This post is assuming a lot. Most people pay for their phones over the course of two or more years. I would say that phones are almost integral to our way of lives; they are a utility item as much as a phone or entertainment item.
Whilst you can do this with finance plans with consoles, they are also a luxury item and it competes with other luxury items. People have to pay other stuff off too. It's not a case of one or the other. Most people pay for their consoles up front or on credit cards that need paying off.
The console market as proven that selling above £399 is notoriously difficult and I think both Sony and Microsoft will be reluctant to sell above that.
I'm pretty sure sony and bluepoint spoke about a ps5 exclusive in the last wired article. Not sure if that's when it was talked about but I'm like 99% sure it isnoffically confirmed that bluepoints next game is ps5 exclusive.
I'm here for suspending/resuming multiple games. It's been confirmed by MS, just waiting to here what's Sony's plan.
if these consoles are tanking so bad why don't they just drop the price. kinda crazy the ps4 is as much as it is today
In the PRO, One X, and switch mid gen we have have minimal fuck ups. This bodes well. I'm confident in all 3 console makers. I look forward to all these platforms this time around. All are aiming to delight in their own ways. It's going to be ok. It's all going to be OK. They got this!
Your entire post seems very reasonable to me.
The only thing I don't get: Wouldn't MS be forced to bump their price as well? The RAM scarcity should hit them even harder than Sony due to more RAM in XSX.
Assuming MS can hold the $499 they once planned would mean either that MS is OK taking huge losses to meet Sony's price, or that their origonal BOM was only slightly higher than that of the PS5.
In both cases it wouldn't have been plausible for MS to originally target a price $100 more expensive than PS5, would it?
- Smartphone are part of jewelry now
- That's not the same customers, in age and financial situation
- High end smartphone price is non sense
- Consoles are just a platform, you buy them and have nothing baring a controller. So you ended up spending a lot more than the console.
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Also, I'm seeing some thinly veiled console wars over the last 10 pages or so. Cut it out, mmkay? Let's keep this fun.
Just remember the wise words from Bill S. Preston, Esq. and Ted "Theodore" Logan
Actually first time that normal distribution maximum moved to the left, albeit only for a day. Maybe ERA got a bit more optimistic about the reveal after that bloomberg article?
It is because they are phones. Phones have everyday usage unlike a consoles - said most normies.
It is really ridiculous and it is annoying to me but whatever. I have a PC as well so I will just buy ports and etc on there since it falls on the majority. Oh, well, business.
Shocking news considering the incredibly packed AAA s/w lineup we had launching this January.
You are comparing a box that plays games and media with PORTABLE devices that let you go online almost anywhere, interact with social media, stream and broadcast media, make video calls, have superb cameras for videos and pictures, have gps and positioning systems, 3d face mapping and fingerprint sensors for security, make phone calls and ... are also pretty good at running video games... among other things.
It's not quite an apples to apples comparison
Probably waiting for Super Slim before dropping price permanently to avoid a profit decline.
I don't think this was necessarily the wrong move. Subscription and network revenues are still strong. They're holding hardware sales back from where they could be by not adjusting MSRP in line with historical trends.
Sales are definitely down, but they're not abysmal. PS4 is the second best selling home console of all time, after all.
Probably because they can't with the consoles in their current config? A 7nm super slim might not be cost effective and so are stuck with what they have?
I'll probably be proved wrong though!
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