Everything that's been stated has nothing to do with TFs. We have no idea. Also if 9 TF is true that's fine. That's still a good machine. More is better in any circumstance but 9TF isn't a bad machine.
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Zhuge said the BOM to the series X is close. So any major difference in power is almost certainly debunked. That and every single insider said both are close.
Yes because BOM indicates a specific TF number. I'm not saying one way or another but my point is that no new info regarding TF has come out in any way. I can't wait to see what it is though.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT12|8 9.2
Is there "official" info stating revision E0 or is this based on the "5th revision" tweet or story that was around a few weeks ago?
Is it possible, since both ariel and oberon share the same ID, that ariel went through steppings A0-C0 and when Oberon came along it had its own stepping A0-B0. That would still result in 5 stepping on what is seemingly the same chip but maybe different.
he said: " Also I want to clarify one point from the original tweet. I'm not saying that XSX build cost is $460. I estimated that the build cost would be in the $460 minimum to $520 maximum range based on current component costs. To simplify it, higher than the PS5 build cost somewhat. "
If the Series X BOM comes in at the higher end of that it could signal a decent gap between the two.
I wanted to believe that the full chip capable could be more than 40cu. But looking at github and now this info about possible higher than normal cost on cooling says to me its going to run at a high clock. Sure they could be looking at better cooling and lower clocks but we havent see any info with a possible higher CU count.
oh boy a brad sams video
At this range of problem I prefer a delay to get those cancelled features back, I'm still not going to buy a nex gen console this year. First consoles tend to be more faulty than the revised ones.
It depends how that difference is spent. It's possible the Xbox Series X could have more RAM, a larger die, and a bigger SSD and have almost no performance gap because the smaller PS5 die is clocked faster and the RAM difference is minor. It just reinforces the status quo that the X is probably, but not unquestionably, stronger.
The ultimate irony is that this whole forum has been constantly whining that the PS4 and Pro sound like jet engines, but now that we have word that PS5 is using a more expensive and elaborate cooling solution most likely to address these complaints and everyone goes, "This confirms Github was true and Sony is building a weaker machine!"
All of these BOM estimates, do they include the discounts console makers get on some parts? Iike the bulk order of RAM for 50-100M over generation, or even a small discount on UHD BR drive for Sony since I think they pay less for licensing?
Drop of current gen sales can also be attributed to more saturated market (I hope I'm using it correctly here) and lesser price drops, compared to the previous gen in 2013.
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Yeah, it's all a bit over the top for "according to people with knowledge of the matter" as the source.
Yes. At the very least, they're like for like comparable to BOMs from last gen. So PS5 is 70 more expensive than PS4, and XSX is 70-130 more expensive than Xbox One, after subtracting out Kinect costs.
I would say $30-40 is SSD difference to HDD. The rest is APU. RAM is probably flat.
Well we probably shouldn't listen to any rumor source article etc until offical announcement if we taking this stance.
The only meaningful takeaway from this recent news.
That and the scarcity of components which will be a concern for both MS and Sony. The corona virus also impacting manufacturing regions for said components will also further the cause for concern.
What's this guys history like? He seems to imply it's not a troll when he replied to the gym comment.
If its one of those weak info dumps... then people like him and others that do that can go fuck themselves.
Really tired of all this stupid teasing that usually amounts to be nothing.
Is the SSD adding $30 on top of the $40 that HDD cost in 2013 tho?
1TB SSDs are $100-$120 new. Meaning they're sold to those PC part makers by their suppliers at $40-$60, because they have to sell them at 2-3x cost for profits.
So if it costs $40 to make a 1TB SSD, then add retailer fee, and then there's the $50-$60 mark up for Seagate, WD, etc, totaling around $100-$120.
wouldn't console makers get this same item at a cheaper rate because they're going to order 50-100M more potentially than standard SSD sellers? Just a thought I could be way off base
I feel like the SSD will come out closer to $40-$50, not $70-$80 per unit
He then made a later post saying the BOM of MS not significantly higher than PS5.
So i guess that depends on what you would call significantly higher .
I'm not going to pretend to know anything about how these prices are worked out, but it seems odd to me that a manufacturer would be giving discounts based on projected sales figures rather than actual orders. If AMD had done the same with the One based on 360 sales figures, then the discount would be based on double the number of units they actually sold.
As I say, I don't know how these things work, I could be wrong, but it seems like a risky thing to be taking into account for any major discounts.
I'm accounting for discounts in my estimates. 1TB SSDs with the speeds matching what is rumored are closer to $150-$180.
At this point I just want any new info. An Xbox reveal date, something.
It's made with public market prices offered by chinese or taiwanese manufacturers, but without knowing the possible margin on it, involving private contractual terms and detailed supply chain for the product. Stay a valuable estimation though just to encompass raw costs.
Doubt it will be gaming related.
Don't forget the HDD back then cst around $35.
of that $70 higher BOM, only like $10-$15 will actually be going to the HDD to make it an SSD. Or hell lets call it $20. So the PS5 SSD cost them like $55.
so what's the other $50 for? better cooling? 7nm tax? RAM? Or a combination of all those things.
The only real credible leaker.
Fist to leaked the new Xbox next generation codenames. Fist to leaked the Xbox Series x ports. First to leak Elite Controller Series 2. First to leak Xbox One S All Digital Edition.
And all turned out to be 100% accurate and correct.
Is he going to announce his trip to the dentist?
I think people are being overly optimistic about wholesale SSD costs.
I had A LOT catch up work to do.
Are we members of Resetera the only forum on the net that is also capable of engineering a console?
I mean how did Microsoft and Sony not see the potential some of us have here?
Soon we have to make a short movie with ''Previously on Resetera'' due to all the changes we're going through.
That's what I don't understand if they have the same BOM and PS5 is 9TF and XBOX 12TF. What or how did Sony do wrong to get the same level of BOM?
Everything I read so far seem to point to a company (Sony) who isn't in the game bussiness for 25 years, but are launching their first console.
Where did their expertise gone too, vanished due to some kind of spell?
Some stuff sounds not logical unless someone within Sony sabotaged the whole R&D from the beginning.
Is there someone who can explain all this decisions of Sony in SIMPLE ENGLISH.
I'm afraid if this turns out to be true atleast that's what I also can't understand.
XBOX360 Red Ring of Death employee says hi.
Both of them should lower the price of their current consoles.
Exactly how I feel after reading through all these posts. We never learn it :D
I keep getting these dejavu's.
Are we members of Resetera the only forum on the net that is also capable of engineering a console?
I mean how did Microsoft and Sony not see the potential some of us have here?
Soon we have to make a short movie with ''Previously on Resetera'' due to all the changes we're going through.
That's what I don't understand if they have the same BOM and PS5 is 9TF and XBOX 12TF. What or how did Sony do wrong to get the same level of BOM?
Everything I read so far seem to point to a company (Sony) who isn't in the game bussiness for 25 years, but are launching their first console.
Where did their expertise gone too, vanished due to some kind of spell?
Some stuff sounds not logical unless someone within Sony sabotaged the whole R&D from the beginning.
Is there someone who can explain all this decisions of Sony in SIMPLE ENGLISH.
I'm afraid if this turns out to be true atleast that's what I also can't understand.
XBOX360 Red Ring of Death employee says hi.
Both of them should lower the price of their current consoles.
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Exactly how I feel after reading through all these posts. We never learn it :D
I keep getting these dejavu's.
Finally! Jeez I've been waiting what feels like eons for a surface book 3.
Nah, it's alright to listen, i was responding to the gif and the raised temperature due to the snippet about the cooling.
Carry on as you wish to.
Everyone seems a bit sassy today, it's almost the weekend and we are ravenous for anything next gen related.
Nah, some of us are just lurking, watching, judging. Can't wait to spend time with Death Stranding this weekend <3
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