No knock on the dude directly, I am more talking about stuff like that in this thread. Or anyone talking about next-gen period on the media or even in threads like these.
The money is in the games and services, never in the box (Well, unless you are Nintendo, haha)
Sorry :)
Yeah, but just comparing last gen where PS4 had $381 BOM and sold for $399, and Xbox had $471 BOM (with Kinect) and sold for $499, I doubt that they would go so much higher. If Zhuge says Xbox top end BOM is around $520 I can't see them pushing that price past $549. Things have to really get bad in the supply chain for them to shoot for a $599 price I think.....
i blame sony tbh. their pr has been atrocious so far. they have been needlessly secretive for over two years now while cancelling conferences left and right. this was bound to happen.
I would actually bet on them ending production much faster than last gen if they are launching with Lockhart. Last time the Xbox 360 E model was around for a long time as a sub $200 console option. This time if they launch with Lockhart they will just make that the cheap console option and discount off all remaining Xbox Ones....
Well said. Couldn't agree more. Sony's approach does not inspire confidence, that's for certain.
I have to agree with this. Sony's acting like a team ahead in the 4th quarter desperately trying not to lose instead of going out there to win. At the very least, given what is said in that Bloomberg article, some within Sony see being endlessly secretive is becoming unproductive.
How many Billions are Microsoft prepared to lose? Those prices would mean several Billion at least on consoles, more if they sold well......
Too late for them to "cut down" the console at this point. Most parts have already been confirmed and are prepping for mass production in less than 3 months. Right now last minute changes can be made to certain parts, but not anything drastic. I suppose they might be able to make cuts to RAM or SSD, depending on where they are with a final motherboard or whether the parts are modular or not (like if the NVME SSD is onboard or not)
not sure where this is coming from, if you listened to me, you would be team 14 tflops right now.
sure, other than the dozens of interviews he's given where hes specifically talked about 2x the power of the x1x and wanting to set the bar for performance in a game console.
While i don't agree with AegonSnake, Your take is weird as hell.
I agree with this. We know that Microsoft has built a beefy chip just based on size of die alone, but they also built a tower to cool it. Even though they are likely going "wide" with more CU and lower clocks (nothing close to 2 GHZ) they still needed a beefy case that can fit decent cooling. Just because PS5 is spending more on cooling doesn't tell us anything about whether they are going wide, or taller with higher clocks....
i am not a sony fan because they sell a hundred million consoles every gen. the wii sold a 100 million consoles, it didnt do anything for me as a gamer.
Like what features? They've only talked about loading times afaik
If Sony goes for 399$, MS will have to do the same.
If Sony went with a high quality cooling solution, they might have had some headroom, just like MS had when they gave the Xbox One extra 7% clocks before launch. It also fits the 1.8Ghz leak which was followed by 2Ghz. It's also important to remember that AMD will have Navi refresh this year so we might see higher than 2Ghz clocks which will give us a new perspective on how Navi handles higher clock speeds.
I totally agree, the main cost difference will be the APU and SSD.
SSDs that have a Phison 16E controller are over 250$ per 1TB. If XSX has a Phison 19, it will be cheaper but we are fooling ourselves if we keep repeating the "a 1TB SSD is just 100$" mantra.
SO you are categorizing "doom and gloom" as, Sony games will not be as good as they could be, not as Sony will not do well in the market?
I talked about this before, but Andrew House left in 2017. Then Shawn Layden in 2018. Then their CEO got replaced by Jim Ryan. And finally Shu got replaced late last year. These guys have been with the company since the beginning of playstation. So many personal changes so fast right at the top is never a good look. At the very least, it brings down the morale and thats exactly what seems to be happening. It will be interesting to see/read about it a decade from now. like wtf happened. why would you replace Andrew House after he made the PS4 a massive success. why replace Shu after he had a decade where his games won like 4 goty awards.
well, this was the worst case scenario and why no sane person here believed the github 2.0 ghz leaks. there was no way that design was going to be power efficient or cost efficient. it was always going to cost the same as the wide and slow design by MS. i still refuse to believe cerny would design something that bad.
