with the expected BOM of 450$ you expect Sony to sell ps5 less than that.
With the expected BOM of 460-520$ you expect Microsoft at more than 499$.
What's the reason why Sony will sell at a 50$ loss or more and Microsoft won't?
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With the expected BOM of 460-520$ you expect Microsoft at more than 499$.
What's the reason why Sony will sell at a 50$ loss or more and Microsoft won't?
All this talk of MS sandwiching Sony with its 2 machines, we can't rule out Sony doing something similar. Maybe instead of hardware upgrades a couple of years in, we might see hardware downgrades at lower entry level prices.
From the Bloomberg article:
"People within the PlayStation business unit said a key factor in deciding the ultimate PlayStation 5 retail price will be where Microsoft sets its price for the next-generation Xbox Series X. Microsoft is widely expected to hold that information back until the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles in June."
There are no rumors or any sort of smoke to consider Sony doing a 2 console approach similar to MS.
Thank you! Some of the strange hot takes I'm seeing are hurting my head. At this point for the PS4 the reveal event hadn't even happened yet and we had no official word from Sony at all on the console other than the date for the event. This time in comparison we've received a buttload of info from including the console name, general hardware info, launch period, controller features and they've even talked about an exclusive launch title with Bluepoint's next game.
People acting like no info in Feb means doom and gloom for Sony are massively overreacting for no reason at all (even though it's happening on Feb 26th so I can get my tag!). When the official reveal happens I hope these people take the time to reflect on how silly these doom and gloom sentiments were.
The BOM is only the bottom floor of what it costs to get that product to market. Multiple industry experts are saying they wouldn't flinch to see the final costs to MS or Sony be $50 higher than the BOM. Its all been posted here in the last few pages.
And no, I didn't say Sony will sell for less than that. I have been saying $450 for Sony, $499 for XSX. I think those are minimum prices where they are already eating $50.
you are good *finger wagging
I want to change topic away from the doom and gloom and PS5 pricing because I think Sony and PS5 will do just fine whatever they chose as pricing and spec.
They are the stronghold in europe and I cannot believe that the majority of playstation only gamers - all their life so far - will jump ship to Xbox especially MS is so bad in marketing here in Europe (from my Germany experience).
What is actually more interesting to me is how members on the february chop block feel!
I mean with an assumed 10 work days setup period for invitations to the members of the press February is almost over (even we have not reached the end of february).
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For those people, is it allowed to change the bet or do they have to stay where they are now? Because that is a lot of work coming at you for all those shiny avatars!
They are the stronghold in europe and I cannot believe that the majority of playstation only gamers - all their life so far - will jump ship to Xbox especially MS is so bad in marketing here in Europe (from my Germany experience).
What is actually more interesting to me is how members on the february chop block feel!
I mean with an assumed 10 work days setup period for invitations to the members of the press February is almost over (even we have not reached the end of february).
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For those people, is it allowed to change the bet or do they have to stay where they are now? Because that is a lot of work coming at you for all those shiny avatars!
IMO, Sony is only going in at $499 if MS does $599. If the XSX is $499, they'll do $399 and eat a sizeable loss.
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So lets map this out. Sony is 450. MS $460. They have $70-80 more to play with.
Last gen on 28nm, it cost Sony $100 for a 350mm2 die. MS paid $110 for 380mm2. 405mm2 would mean $120.
Are we expecting the costs to remain stagnant? AMD said 7nm is almost twice as expensive as 28nm. That would put the die cost at $200-240 and blow past the $70-80 extra budget they have given themselves.
Let's assume, the costs to fabricate the silicon are the same. We still have SSDs which are at least twice as expensive as HDDs were last gen. So thats an extra $37.
That leaves them $33 for a bigger chip, any extra RAM costs (goodbye HBM), audio chip, new controller features, cooling etc. Though they did say that cooling apparently only costs a few dollars now. I paid $90 for a liquid heatsink recently. i doubt that thing only cost a few dollars to make.
If the fab costs are the same as last gen, I can see both Sony and MS going with 400mm2 APUs with that $450 budget. But i highly doubt that. Remember Pachter said $1000 ps5. turns out it was less than half that. but ruthenticcookie said that they were going to take a $100 loss and sell at $499, that points to a BOM over $500 but less than $550. we know that thats no longer the case either.
If I decide to participate will I get some special snowflake german avatar?
Which doesn't rule it out though. And considering how tight of a ship both consoles are running on the next gen front as of late, the prospect isn't hard to imagine.
What is your reasoning here? Sony is the market leader, why do they need to eat massive losses out of the gate?
If the BOM for Sony is $450 and Microsoft $460-490 I don't know why either of the console makers would price at over $499, but on the other hand I have no idea why Sony would want to come out of the gate losing $100 per console.....It really makes no sense when you are the leader.....
Under that logic, MS goes for $599 just to nudge Sony to do $499 and then Lockhart is a go, at 300-350.
Uh oh.
When Feb is over I have to change my member detection from avatar picture to reading the actual name ...
Another question.
Let's assume the reveal is 1st of March: What happens to all the bets after that date. Have they all to wear that "avatar of shame"? And for how long? Until console release?
It's after console release. It won't be 1st of March but March 4th. 😏
Just did a quick count and there's currently 199 people that made the bet.
Only 4 so far of these 199 have failed their bet.
That was such a weird take. Guess it was a misunderstanding of costs on his part?
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually curious about what PS5's camera and it's related features would have been.
Sony will launch a 500GB console at $399 and sell a proprietary SSD starting at 1TB for $150 to recover the losses.
All they need is a COD to launch and they are back in business.
All they need is a COD to launch and they are back in business.
That would be dependent on if Sony is looking to be profitable on hardware from day 1 or not since BOM doesn't include other costs that go into determining the MSRP/RRP.
The camera portion was in regards to Sony's mirrorless cameras, not a camera for the PS5. They're prioritizing nand for the PS5 rather than their new camera causing them tonah e to cut features in this year's product.
Never looked it from that perspective.
Hmm Sony you reading this?
Same counts for The Netherlands. No matter what Playstation always was the winner here even at 360 times.
lol. I don't see why I would need to specify when Americans don't specify USD. Even took the time to add Canada to my profile because I wanted to avoid these reactions.Never looked it from that perspective.
Hmm Sony you reading this?
Same counts for The Netherlands. No matter what Playstation always was the winner here even at 360 times.
Don't now why but now I really want to start with scrubs again
He is nothing but weird takes and misunderstandings. No one should take his video game commentary seriously.
Has this been talked about?
Source: https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/find-out-what-s-next-at-gdc-2020
Yeah, no idea. maybe equivalent cost to spec it out for PC? Dunno.
No worries.
Does anyone think the Bloomberg article is a fake or not well sourced?
Not saying I do- just wondering.
I still think we see the $399 price which makes it hard for MS to either match price with Series X and/or reduces the sticker appeal of Series S. This talk of managing production makes me think that they'll try really hard to reduce the number of "overpriced" consoles that get built with parts that have unexpectedly higher prices.
Is it not corroborated by zhuge? The ancillary commentary means little, but the numbers seems to be accurate or at least sourced from similar places.
Ah, that makes sense and thanks for the clarification... we've had a few PS5 camera rumors in the past, just assumed it was related to that.
But he put the Xbox comparatively much lower. So weird.
After reveal, everyone with a date further loses.
ah that's cool. Should be some good info thereHas this been talked about?
Source: https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/find-out-what-s-next-at-gdc-2020
Well that would be the understatement of the month. :)
We can question ourselves though as to why he came to that conclusion.
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Cro dogs? :)
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and why do you think the hardware will be profitable from day 1? its nonsense when the PS4 wasnt, and the games division was making much less money back then,
A reunion would be good. One last season.
Available on NEXT-GEN Consoles ONLY....
My personal conclusion is that he reached such a prediction based on his lack of understanding of the video games industry. He probably said, "Wow, iPhones sure are expensive! New consoles must be at least that much!"
Even it would be WiiU exclusive I would buy that shitty tablet to see that!
oh babyHas this been talked about?
Source: https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/find-out-what-s-next-at-gdc-2020
Ah okay ...
Keine Ahnung davon. Wahrscheinlich viel zu alt dafür :)
But then why would he have said the Xbox's specs he saw semed a lot less expensive than the PS5's ones he had seen?
I'm not saying his conclusion are right. Just that it's a bit overly dismissive to just handwave it like that.
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