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It's just console nonsense, everyone will be fine, do you worry about the mental health of sports fans?
I'm heading out from speculating for now.
I will say the issue with the thread is everyone's made their lunch on everything being "the same" seemingly forgetting that each generation launch is a new convention of what the standard is. Just like Sony has a great 4th gen I believe MS will aswell. Microsoft is heavy into services and software which are augmented by various hardware solutions and that's fine. Sony is a heavy hardware company with software and services to augment their consoles. Nintendo is a great maker of handheld consoles and pulled a Phoenix rising this last generation.
all hardware vendors are healthy and profitable and the divergence of strategic thinking within these 3 companies is strong enough that marking a "winner" and a "loser" will be nothing but opinion pieces.
have a great weekend everyone and I pray for our March reveals and a healthy 2020
I will say the issue with the thread is everyone's made their lunch on everything being "the same" seemingly forgetting that each generation launch is a new convention of what the standard is. Just like Sony has a great 4th gen I believe MS will aswell. Microsoft is heavy into services and software which are augmented by various hardware solutions and that's fine. Sony is a heavy hardware company with software and services to augment their consoles. Nintendo is a great maker of handheld consoles and pulled a Phoenix rising this last generation.
all hardware vendors are healthy and profitable and the divergence of strategic thinking within these 3 companies is strong enough that marking a "winner" and a "loser" will be nothing but opinion pieces.
have a great weekend everyone and I pray for our March reveals and a healthy 2020
The blu ray laser alone was so much.
Thanks. I'm sure Sony tipped the supply towards that SKU too.
They don't make the NAND chips. They're a very small player in the market overall.
They've actually done it twice now.
the one way of driving price down is if you have mass market demand. If they can get that, then it is fairly easy as long as component costs remain stable.
They officially announced ray tracing for ps5 so of course they can clarify information that's already out there. How powerful the ps5 is has not been officially announced so there's nothing to clarify. Sony doesn't have to comment on rumors, you will know what the full specs are when Sony officially announces.
In my opinion the examples you gave doesn't point in any direction. The only real reliable rumors we got is that the consoles close from people like Jason, Matt, Klee and a few others.
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The DRAM price issue and shortage is something that was reported on in november/december. DRAM exchange and others were saying that prices would go up in the 1st quarter of 2020 due to phones and other factors. It seems like this article just took a bunch of recent news, and old data, and ran with the story.
I'll put my spinfoil hat on just in case, but let's look at the article and break it down to some extent.
1st thing 1st, there's not a single mention or usage of the word "source". I'm not saying I read these sites often enough to know how they mention the origin of the info but to not say they have a source but "people in the know".
PS4 BOM was $380, add $20 and boom $400 retail price. Now give the ps5 a BOM of $450 and add $20. You get $470 which is what they state as the absolute bottom retail price. $470 is simply an assumption.
Recent news that was heavily covered.
SSDs May Get Pricey This Year With NAND Prices Expected to Rise 40%
Enjoy the cheap prices while they last.
DRAMeXchange: Graphics DRAM Prices Will Rise in Q1 2020
Mainly thanks to the dawn of the new consoles
Raw metal cost alone means this is unlikely. Jet engines are not a new topic when it comes to the ps4.
Simply repeating what has been said a couple weeks ago by CFO Totoki, and reported by others.
PlayStation 5 Official Pricing Hinted by Sony CFO Hiroki Totoki - TechnoStalls
We reported yesterday that PlayStation 4’s sales are slower than ever. However, this didn’t come as a surprise at all since Sony has announced that it is currently adding the finishing touches to PlayStation 5 and everyone thinks that it’s best to wait for the next-generation console to launch...
technostalls.com
Totoki's quote
About which the author of the article stated
This is an assumption made by another writer that bloomberg is claiming as coming from people within sony.
I know a lot of people here aren't fans of AdoredTV, or even know of him, but the ending of this video is somewhat interesting.
He mentions the leaks of big navi 80cu ish card are real. The IPC gains are big as most of GCN remains have been removed. The clocks are in question as the chip is just too big. The big one though, at 20:33 in the video, RT is only included due to customer perception;not really relevant.
If it's accurate, it doesn't seem AMD are really keen on RT just yet.
Yeah, after reading again I see that Sony execs comments were really thrown in there to cause confusion as to who the sources are. Now I am much less confident in this story.The DRAM price issue and shortage is something that was reported on in november/december. DRAM exchange and others were saying that prices would go up in the 1st quarter of 2020 due to phones and other factors. It seems like this article just took a bunch of recent news, and old data, and ran with the story.
I'll put my spinfoil hat on just in case, but let's look at the article and break it down to some extent.
1st thing 1st, there's not a single mention or usage of the word "source". I'm not saying I read these sites often enough to know how they mention the origin of the info but to not say they have a source but "people in the know".
PS4 BOM was $380, add $20 and boom $400 retail price. Now give the ps5 a BOM of $450 and add $20. You get $470 which is what they state as the absolute bottom retail price. $470 is simply an assumption.
Recent news that was heavily covered.
SSDs May Get Pricey This Year With NAND Prices Expected to Rise 40%
Enjoy the cheap prices while they last.www.tomshardware.com
DRAMeXchange: Graphics DRAM Prices Will Rise in Q1 2020
Mainly thanks to the dawn of the new consoleswww.tomshardware.com
Raw metal cost alone means this is unlikely. Jet engines are not a new topic when it comes to the ps4.
Simply repeating what has been said a couple weeks ago by CFO Totoki, and reported by others.
PlayStation 5 Official Pricing Hinted by Sony CFO Hiroki Totoki - TechnoStalls
We reported yesterday that PlayStation 4’s sales are slower than ever. However, this didn’t come as a surprise at all since Sony has announced that it is currently adding the finishing touches to PlayStation 5 and everyone thinks that it’s best to wait for the next-generation console to launch...
Totoki's quote
About which the author of the article stated
This is an assumption made by another writer that bloomberg is claiming as coming from people within sony.
If ps5 is $399 and XSX is $499, lockhart makes little sense to me. If both ps5 and xsx are $499, lockhart makes sense.
I would still do the standalone as 2yrs of ps plus is ~$80 and I have no interest in psnow. Saving $120 vs your financing idea.
Shakespeare, the ides of march.
Which is exactly what someone has said bloomberg does when they make some of their questionable articles.
I agree with this. I can see silence coming from a place of confidence, as in, they knew the silence could end up frustrating people but they're confident that the console they've built will put all that to rest once it's unveiled. It's also very possible that's just wishful thinking on my part but I feel like if things were bad we'd be getting more tidbits here and there trying to soften the blow for the eventual reveal instead of just letting the narratives run wild. I have faith that whatever Sony (and Microsoft, for that matter) has designed was done so very deliberately and are going to hit the mark for whatever it is they're aiming for.
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What do you think, captain?
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It would, it would increase the size of the APU and therefore affect APU cost. It wouldn't make a big difference, but it would 100% make a difference.
LMAO I hope my guess is right after this! lol.Good evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
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If you're an early adopter and you want a console, you're generally gonna get that console in that time frame . As long as XSX is $499, I honestly don't think a $499 vs $399 PS5 will make a major difference to Sony in that first 12-18mths when it comes to sales. Is it preferable that it's cheaper? Of course. Does it suck some of us might have to save an extra month or two? Absolutely. But if it means a hamstrung generational baseline and/or less money for Sony to earmark for great content, I think it's the better outcome.
Given inflation, the value we get and the level of quality Sony have established this past decade, a $399 console in late 2020 would be ridiculously cheap. I personally think a smart play would be $449, thinking long term this would ease people towards an eventual $499 PS6 (should there be one; I think there will..). Cause generational leaps are going to require greater and greater hardware for equivalent returns; and anything less than $499 by ~2027 would be ridiculous.
Of course, over $500 for PS5 is where things will fall apart and I neither expect PS5 to come in at that nor would it be an easy pill for customers to swallow. If a console comes in at over $500 I'd expect it to be a slightly more powerful XSX; and only if Lockhart comes out at the same time for at least $150 less.
Naturally things change and can't be planned out exactly, but I think rough plan to follow for PS5 would be $449 @ launch, cut to $399 @ 1.5-2yrs, slim model $349 @ 3-3.5yrs, cut to $299 @ 6yrs. New gen at 7yrs.
It's worth remembering the PS4 is only $100 cheaper ($299) after nearly 6.5yrs; and the Pro hasn't even seen an RRP reduction ($399) since launch 3.5yrs ago. Again, lower prices are always nicer, but I honestly don't think $50-$100 across a ~7yr span is quite the issue people think it is when a company is delivering on quality and value.
There's a middleground between cheap Sony and arrogant Sony of ~2007. I think this was a very [necessary] conservative generation, I think $399 is low balling it next time round, I think $449 is confident Sony, I think $499 is very confident Sony, $549 is arrogant Sony and $599 is very arrogant Sony.
Given inflation, the value we get and the level of quality Sony have established this past decade, a $399 console in late 2020 would be ridiculously cheap. I personally think a smart play would be $449, thinking long term this would ease people towards an eventual $499 PS6 (should there be one; I think there will..). Cause generational leaps are going to require greater and greater hardware for equivalent returns; and anything less than $499 by ~2027 would be ridiculous.
Of course, over $500 for PS5 is where things will fall apart and I neither expect PS5 to come in at that nor would it be an easy pill for customers to swallow. If a console comes in at over $500 I'd expect it to be a slightly more powerful XSX; and only if Lockhart comes out at the same time for at least $150 less.
Naturally things change and can't be planned out exactly, but I think rough plan to follow for PS5 would be $449 @ launch, cut to $399 @ 1.5-2yrs, slim model $349 @ 3-3.5yrs, cut to $299 @ 6yrs. New gen at 7yrs.
It's worth remembering the PS4 is only $100 cheaper ($299) after nearly 6.5yrs; and the Pro hasn't even seen an RRP reduction ($399) since launch 3.5yrs ago. Again, lower prices are always nicer, but I honestly don't think $50-$100 across a ~7yr span is quite the issue people think it is when a company is delivering on quality and value.
There's a middleground between cheap Sony and arrogant Sony of ~2007. I think this was a very [necessary] conservative generation, I think $399 is low balling it next time round, I think $449 is confident Sony, I think $499 is very confident Sony, $549 is arrogant Sony and $599 is very arrogant Sony.
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It would actually be both, a die of 100% SRAM would cost less then a APU of the same size. This would be because you would get more usable chips out of the first than the second.
Damn, makes previous days seem downright benevolent.Good evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
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With regards to Lockhart why are people assuming $299 is the price it'll launch at? Most of the speculation I've seen has it with similar specs to the XSX but with a lesser GPU, a bit less RAM and a slightly lower clocked CPU. These don't sound like $200 worth of differences to me.
I know there's the whole sandwich theory going around with Xbox pricing with PS5 in the middle, but given what we're hearing about the XSX and PS5's BOMs it sounds like Xbox would be taking a huge loss by selling Lockhart at $299. Is that the assumption? That they'll take huge losses on the low end to gain market share while selling the high end for more or less break even?
I guess there's also the speculation that it could launch later, meaning the price of components might drop a bit, so there's that too.
As for the Bloomberg article, I'm thinking controlled leak. Maybe a leak to test the markets reaction to a possible $499 PS5? Maybe a leak to misdirect the consumers and possibly Microsoft if they really are going to do a $399 price. We know Sony aren't above a bit of public misdirection with that famous interview with Kaz just before they announced the PS4 Meeting. Right now I'm sitting at 60% $499 and 40% $399 for the PS5.
I know there's the whole sandwich theory going around with Xbox pricing with PS5 in the middle, but given what we're hearing about the XSX and PS5's BOMs it sounds like Xbox would be taking a huge loss by selling Lockhart at $299. Is that the assumption? That they'll take huge losses on the low end to gain market share while selling the high end for more or less break even?
I guess there's also the speculation that it could launch later, meaning the price of components might drop a bit, so there's that too.
As for the Bloomberg article, I'm thinking controlled leak. Maybe a leak to test the markets reaction to a possible $499 PS5? Maybe a leak to misdirect the consumers and possibly Microsoft if they really are going to do a $399 price. We know Sony aren't above a bit of public misdirection with that famous interview with Kaz just before they announced the PS4 Meeting. Right now I'm sitting at 60% $499 and 40% $399 for the PS5.
Lockhart still needs a 7nm die, GDDR6, and a SSD. $299 will indeed be very challenging.
Good evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
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lol, beautiful. I almost wish I could see what my new Avatar would have been, but we all know Sony's gonna come through with the event on the 26th. Can't wait for my tag :)
I feel like we're in a state where the thread has been as civil as it's ever been.
They still took their time to make that clarification. About 6 months of speculation before it happened.
Lol there is no DRAM too in the Sony patent but SRAM. If Sony is affected by DRAM and NAND scarcity, MS will have the same problem.
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Didn't do a bet but I'mma come back daily to see the escalation of this. Well doneGood evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
What do you think, captain?
Yessir! bob100 and Brohan, please step forward! You are henceforth being judged for the crime of losing an avatar bet. Here is your punishment:
Tonight is a special night. I have gone and seen what each of you despise and I have selected accordingly.
bob100, you have a strong distaste for Zombies mode in call of duty
And Brohan, well..... Your displeasure was too specific to not take advantage of....
Captain, what do you think?
I'll take your silence as acceptance.
Until tomorrow......
Plus no optical drive, a cheaper cooling solution and potentially a smaller SSD as well.
I don't know enough about component costs to know whether or not $299 is a realistic price point, but on the surface at least it doesn't strike me as unrealistic.
For me personally, I'm only speculating around what I think it would need to be priced at in order to make sense in the market at all. If there's a $100 difference between Lockhart and PS5, then I think that Lockhart's in trouble. $150-$200 less ($249/$299 depending on what the PS5 costs) and I think it will find a market.
Just wanted to post this in case people are not in the other thread:
The dog avatar has me in tears.
Omg....what the hell have I gotten myself into....
Also, keep trade-ins in mind. Even if the PS5 is $499, most of its audience (established PS4 owners) wouldn't need to actually be paying that. The PS4 didn't have this advantage due to the lack of BC and the PS3 not being as popular.
All this also applies to the Xboxes.
Makes me question the Bloomberg article's "sources" tbqh.
-whistles- Damn, son. Makes me happy I'm not participating in guessing.Good evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
What do you think, captain?
Yessir! bob100 and Brohan, please step forward! You are henceforth being judged for the crime of losing an avatar bet. Here is your punishment:
Tonight is a special night. I have gone and seen what each of you despise and I have selected accordingly.
bob100, you have a strong distaste for Zombies mode in call of duty
And Brohan, well..... Your displeasure was too specific to not take advantage of....
Captain, what do you think?
I'll take your silence as acceptance.
Until tomorrow......
Right? It all comes back to that we just can't see the whole picture. It's nice for Albert to provide some thoughts when these nuggets drop.
Savage.Good evening, ResetEra! I think it's time for more sacrifices!
What do you think, captain?
Yessir! bob100 and Brohan, please step forward! You are henceforth being judged for the crime of losing an avatar bet. Here is your punishment:
Tonight is a special night. I have gone and seen what each of you despise and I have selected accordingly.
bob100, you have a strong distaste for Zombies mode in call of duty
And Brohan, well..... Your displeasure was too specific to not take advantage of....
Captain, what do you think?
I'll take your silence as acceptance.
Until tomorrow......
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