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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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What makes you think MS will reveal XSX price at E3???
They don't have to do that! Actually I love to see the uproar if MS decides not to reveal a price at that time! Phil has said on many occasions E3 is about showing games. I think MS show more hardware details and a peek at their vision but, I don't expect a price reveal. They don't have too!
MS's job at E3 is to give the public/consumer a reason they have to have XSX. Price isn't their concern at E3!
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My personal guess is it won't be the same date, but will launch within 1 month of XSX. So late 2020 before Black Friday. Maybe late October for XSX and mid-Nov for Lockhart.
Why?
- Makes no sense to have a big time gap as many have pointed out, given devs need to support both.
- The longer the period between XSX and Lockhart, the more confusion across Xbox One and Xbox (Series ___). I'm guessing MS would prefer to just end the Xbox One line as fast as possible and move on, not have store shelves with a mix of XSX, XB1X, XB1S, and XB1SAD. Lockhart at $300-$400 takes over the current range of XB1 devices, with XSX as the new premium device at a hard $499 or $599. Possible exception is that they keep a $200 XB1SAD on shelves for super budget play.
- Having two launch dates gives them two media cycles / launch "events" to hype.
Wouldn't marketing and launching each one independently just lead to more confusion? Hype the games, hype the new console(s) that both play those games, and then in as simple and meaningful terms as possible explain the two price points. Launch them together and hope your message worked. They'll probably both sell out anyways given typical launch availability of new consoles.
Yeah, maybe. I'd say launching on the same day is also a likely option. I just feel like having two chances to make headlines would be attractive to MS. And I'm not sure confusion is really a thing - enthusiasts who know what a Series X is will get it regardless, and casuals who want something cheaper will buy a Lockhart when they walk into WalMart or whatever.
Never seen it or do i even understand what it is but fuck it was funny
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Wow that was quite a few OTs ago...
Yes, got that bundle in France, too. It was priced at 499€.
Never played Killzone, either (FPS aren't my cup of tea).
Again a console is not a PC, you can tailor the full software stack from game file format filesystem, I/O API to games engine for devs and the platform holder can tailor the SSD hardware for gaming purpose.
The PS5 and Xbox SSD wil go faster than a PC NVMe SSD in gaming.
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It depends on the game.
When it comes to how scalable a certain feature or game element is, results will be all over the place. If MS makes a fighting game or a circuit racing game,I cant imagine a developer would struggle to use the XSX hardware to full effect, whilst still making a game that can scale down and provide an excellent experience on lesser hardware.
If MS were making a CPU bound openworld game, then considerations for HDD and weaker CPU would limit design options.
Beyond all that, there's really nothing stopping MS from releasing games that have steep PC requirements after 2021. If they wanted to make a game that couldn't work without hardware comparable to XSX, they could.
My guess is there will be a mix of "brute-forcing" and games tailored to XSX that are ported backwards for weaker hardware.
Fuck, that was funny. The look on their faces when the wife says wait a minute. And that phone call, lmao.
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It's true that console is not a PC, but that actually works against consoles. Hard disks on console are fully encrypted, whereas on PC, (unless you enable BitLocker) things are stored stored as is. And encryption affects performance negatively.
Take BitLocker as an example, from this StackOverflow answer:
Consoles have crypto ASIC for accelerating encrypted disk I/O, the reason that hooking up faster external SSD on current gen console does not necessarily yield better speed is very likely this: it's bottlenecked by the crypto processor.
On why Mark Cerny stated PS5 would have faster SSD than anything we had seen on PC, he's most likely referring to it being PCI-E gen 4 SSD, where at the time of his statement, PCI-E gen 4 SSDs were not available on PC.
So yeah, if consoles want to have faster than PC I/O, they gotta be faster than themselves first.
Pretty sure that the reason for SSDs to have a limited impact in current gen consoles was because of a SATA bottleneck.
Lol he said faster than anything else because of f hardware ASIC decompressor same for encryption it is in hardware. If the texture and other assets are compressed further on SSD with lossless compression using PNG for example and other compression for other type of assets and the hardware decompressors are able to decompress the data in real-time if the compression ratio is 4 to 1 it means a 2 GB/s SSD will be able to goes up to 8 GB/s a 3.5 GB/s SSD goes up to 14 GB/s.
And for this two types of SSD they don't need a PCIE 4 bus.
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Hmm that's interesting, can you link me the paper/patent on Sony's compression solution? Or any quote from Mark Cerny's talk?
IMO, GamersNexus is one of the best tech channels on youtube. I really respect their work, and usually take what they say as gospel. The only time I've ever disagreed with their view was when Steve once made fun of next-gen consoles having nvme drives, saying something along the likes of PC gamers having had them for years. It's not the same thing.
Having two consoles launch a month apart would not only be kinda pointess, it would be a perfect storm of consumer confusion. PS5 and Xbox are both going to be grabbling lots of media cycles during winter 2020-21, no matter what.
*IF* Lockhart is indeed a second Xbox model (something we continue to take for granted), my guess is it launches in the second half of 2021. For one, Microsoft are going to be focused on trying to crank out as many XSX's as they can this year, and won't want to split those precious manufacturing resources between two models. For two, for the first several months, Microsoft are likely going to be able to sell the XSX as fast as they can put them on shelves anyway (same with the PS5). For three, this lets them focus their media strategy on a single box in 2020, and a single message around power and performance.
In mid-2021, when XSX supply is finally getting firmly ahead of demand, you announce a "Series S" or whatever, that is aimed at non-core consumers, coming fall 2021. You've also got several more months of component prices hopefully falling, which potentially lets you price it even more aggressively. This hardware is what will likely go into Azure datacenters for xCloud in 2021 as well, since Microsoft seem to recognize that streaming is an inherently "compromised" experience to some extent, not requiring cutting edge hardware.
Might this strategy theoretically hurt XSX sales a bit in 2021 if some people waited for the XSS? Sure. But as has been discussed in a million articles by now, Microsoft don't care so much about the console hardware game any more - they care about the ecosystem, and proliferating it far and wide.
Now watch my predictions be completely wrong, haha.
Not as different as you might want to believe but i was hoping people would clue in on the sustained read/write speeds. Nearly everyone here is focused on that aspect as the defining reason why next gen drives will be so fast and why one console might be faster than the other when it really doesn't make a huge difference with games because games aren't one giant file. Drive latency, being able to fetch a ton of smaller files quickly is much more beneficial. In the linus video had the standard ssd had better io it would have out performed the pcie4 ssd. That's where the speed gains are coming from with gaming.
The phone call is the best part. Call you back in 1 month, im driving right now. lol
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To me the timeline will be like this :
Late 2020 :
- Xbox Series X launch
- Transition of xCloud to Scarlett hardware using the work on lockhart
- The Xbox One is still being sold
Late 2021 :
- End of support for Xbox One
- Xbox Series S launch to replace the Xbox One
Not just SATA, because they're still painfully slow even when connected via USB 3.0 (where they'd be a multitude faster on PC). The CPU is also a major bottleneck of course.
I agree and the time line makes a lot of sense. I also think that the Lockhart will be the console on the Xcloud.
Do you really think that video is a indication for next gen systems??? Just changing things isn't going to magically change things. There is something called.... lol there are other stuff that needs to be done to take advantage of that speed..... Let's leave it at that. That video is not a indication about anything except that you shouldn't expect things to change magically without software taking advantage of it....also that one is only about loading and nothing else... But good try though.
Good luck explaining the difference to....... yeah just good luck.
Agreed with both of these predictions, except I think the Xbox One S gets phased out starting this fall, and the One X takes it's place as the new "budget model" until fall 2021, where it gets phased out for Lockhart.
Yep. The game-changer here is not "having NVMe drives", it's having games that are actually built around SSDs (even if that's just exclusives for now). I would actually like to see Linus and his crew redo their blind test later when we have PC games built for at least SATA SSDs - though the similarity in random reads between SATA and NVMe might still make them close. We'll see.
So, for you guys it's like we're gonna live in-between two gens for first time? I don't recall if in previous generations you had the same with, say, PS3/PS4 where you had the new PS4 console but you could also play the very same games on the cheap PS3 slim during first year. Maybe it's just a trick on the names (PS3 versus PS4) that makes it look like there's a discontinuity in generations.
Should have got him an Xbox Series X. Looks like a router and no one in Japan knows what Xbox is.
I wont be surprised if those XSX cases are used for their devkits too.
We will live in the 2 gens during the firs 1 and half years, by 2022 we should be full gen.
Nah it has always been like this. Older gen console are still being sold for at least a year or two while the new thing is here. Remeber Just Dance 2020 still coming out on Wii ? Microsoft already announced the Xbox One will keep being supported with new first party games for at least a year. I think this is so they don't have to release the Series S right away : if you don't have the money to buy the Series X, you can keep playing on One / One X just fine for a year, then they will have a budget console for you to transition.
The prototype we saw a few weeks ago is the dev kit I believe (in Series X case, dev kit look like the retail box)
Stuff like Dragon's Age 3 was cross gen (and suffered a bit for it)
I'd be interested to see the differences in speed between an HFS+ volume with no encryption, vs an APFS volume with FileVault enabled. I'm curious as to how much performance you can claw back with a file system that's designed from the ground up with SSDs and encryption in mind (APFS in this case), because obviously the consoles can use their own custom file system too.
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