Stop posting misinformation.Yes. After a bunch of nudes and sexting (and a trip from Brazil to Paris), she was allegedly raped by Neymar on their first meeting. The day after the rape, she texted him like nothing happened, talking about how good it was, how much she wants to have sex with him again, asking for a gift for her child (!), and so on... But it was all a trap to catch Neymar on video raping her again. During this new meeting, she asks for a beating, and since Neymar was unwilling to comply, she started to beat him instead.
She got back to Brazil and 15 days later, after her lawyer failed to reach an financial agreement with Neymar's lawyers for an aggression perpetrated by the player, she filled a police report accusing Neymar of rape (and not only aggression), something that surprised even her (ex) lawyer.
She said Neymar raped her because she didn't want to have sex with him without condoms (the risk of getting pregnant by a millionaire).
Oh. She went through a physical examination by the police and no evidence of injury was found (beyond a hurt finger). She's also refusing to go back to the police to provide further explanations (she prefers to talk with TV stations).
By the way, there are police reports saying she attempted to kill her ex-husband with a knife. It seems she have no profession and is passing through a lot of financial difficulties (including an eviction order).
But some people are asking us to believe her, no matter what, and to consider Neymar a rapist. Sure.
Mainly caused by herself.Tbf the above sounds like a classic character assassination job on the girl.
What the fuck am I reading.Stepping into this thread is like entering the twilight zone. You guys don't care about the victims, women's rights or facts at all. All you care about is getting one in on the "other side". You are a bunch of narcissists who could never admit that they were wrong, because doing that would mean the "other side" won. You know what's funny though? The "other side" thinks exactly the same way and that is why nothing will ever change in the USA. And it's a disease that spreads to the countries that are culturally influenced by you. Because of it Trump will be re-elected, no matter how shitty he was as a president and the UK will leave the EU, no matter how much lies were told about the benefits of doing so. Because facts don't matter, morals don't matter, what only matters is my team winning over the opponent. I see this everyday when reading news and social media. And it's the same in this thread. No matter what evidence comes to light that the story of the alledged victim doesn't hold up, you cover your ears and repeat "I believe women". You're not feminists. All you do is making it harder for real victims to be heard, because the next time someone is accused everyone will point to Neymar's case although it's an outlier in a sea of real accusations.
Ughh
A brazilian deputy has proposed a law called "Neymar da Penha" to make false accusations of crimes like rape face more serious accountability. To those unaware, there's a law here called "Maria da Penha" to protect women who suffered all type of aggressions and was made in homage to the same woman that suffered paraplegia because of a beating from his husband. This is utter madness. The girl already lost , as she is being called a liar by superior instances and will suffer humiliation in form of the law name. The case is still ongoing and Neymar name is already being cleared as the victim without we knowing the full facts.
Yet we are the fake feminists. This case is being used by sexists to spread their idea that women are crazy and there's even a deputy wanting to make a law that will make it even harder for rape victims to speak out, since rape is already a hard to prove crime. Yet how dare we defend the "alleged" victim of rape.
That's what I'm talking about dude. They wouldn't have a case to use for their sexist agenda if it were a real accusation. You guys are helping them involuntarily.
So your suggestion is for us to condone the victim without knowing the full facts already? Because look, rape is already a hard to prove crime, even more so when we're talking about a superstar with as much influence as Neymar here in BrazilThat's what I'm talking about dude. They wouldn't have a case to use for their sexist agenda if it were a real accusation. You guys are helping them involuntarily.
Apparently the rest of the WhatsApp conversation was disclosed.
Yes:
Yes. After a bunch of nudes and sexting (and a trip from Brazil to Paris), she was allegedly raped by Neymar on their first meeting. The day after the rape, she texted him like nothing happened, talking about how good it was, how much she wants to have sex with him again, asking for a gift for her child (!), and so on... But it was all a trap to catch Neymar on video raping her again. During this new meeting, she asks for a beating, and since Neymar was unwilling to comply, she started to beat him instead.
She got back to Brazil and 15 days later, after her lawyer failed to reach an financial agreement with Neymar's lawyers for an aggression perpetrated by the player, she filled a police report accusing Neymar of rape (and not only aggression), something that surprised even her (ex) lawyer.
She said Neymar raped her because she didn't want to have sex with him without condoms (the risk of getting pregnant by a millionaire).
Oh. She went through a physical examination by the police and no evidence of injury was found (beyond a hurt finger). She's also refusing to go back to the police to provide further explanations (she prefers to talk with TV stations).
By the way, there are police reports saying she attempted to kill her ex-husband with a knife. It seems she have no profession and is passing through a lot of financial difficulties (including an eviction order).
But some people are asking us to believe her, no matter what, and to consider Neymar a rapist. Sure.
Don't spread misinformation, that poster even got banned because of the post you quoted.
The only thing we know for sure is there are injuries on her thighs and buttocks. And Neymar didn't deny that he was the perpetrator of these injuries as we can see in the WhatsApp messages. Also there were no injuries found on her genitalia.
This is a really muddy case.
article clearly states they only found one injury in the finger. Where are you getting the thighs and buttocks from?Don't spread misinformation, that poster even got banned because of the post you quoted.
The only thing we know for sure is there are injuries on her thighs and buttocks. And Neymar didn't deny that he was the perpetrator of these injuries as we can see in the WhatsApp messages. Also there were no injuries found on her genitalia.
This is a really muddy case.
article clearly states they only found one injury in the finger. Where are you getting the thighs and buttocks from?
imagens que mostram hematomas grandes e escuros na região das nádegas e das pernas. A reportagem checou a veracidade do documento com especialistas legais no assunto.
Marca has some English translation.
I'm going through the article fast cause I'm at work, but the translation seems very inaccurate with what I've read earlier, some points are ok but others aren't.So your suggestion is for us to condone the victim without knowing the full facts already? Because look, rape is already a hard to prove crime, even more so when we're talking about a superstar with as much influence as Neymar here in Brazil
Edit: there's a more accurate translation here
For me it looks like Neymar knew what he did, or at least, admitted to it even if he didn't took it seriously. (in regards to beating her)
Although the messages doesn't mention anything about the condoms
This translation is a lot better but still has some flaws. That part about was 'legal' is wrong, it's more like she says "it's a shame that everything went wrong", and he replies "Not at all, we met and it was cool... I can see that you are a good person. Unfortunately today's episode soured things a bit. But it was a pleasure to meet you".
Dou you really believe that?That's what I'm talking about dude. They wouldn't have a case to use for their sexist agenda if it were a real accusation. You guys are helping them involuntarily.
This Neymar's excuse is absolutely laughable and just something to save face. He is fucked in the revenge porn accusations. Reminder that this accusation will be made by a D.A., Najila can at best have her lawyer as assistant, same in the rape accusations.Neymar said that his PR advisors were to blame for the nudes that are shown on the Instagram video and is considered revenge porn crime
exactly. well fucking said.Stepping into this thread is like entering the twilight zone. You guys don't care about the victims, women's rights or facts at all. All you care about is getting one in on the "other side". You are a bunch of narcissists who could never admit that they were wrong, because doing that would mean the "other side" won. You know what's funny though? The "other side" thinks exactly the same way and that is why nothing will ever change in the USA. And it's a disease that spreads to the countries that are culturally influenced by you. Because of it Trump will be re-elected, no matter how shitty he was as a president and the UK will leave the EU, no matter how much lies were told about the benefits of doing so. Because facts don't matter, morals don't matter, what only matters is my team winning over the opponent. I see this everyday when reading news and social media. And it's the same in this thread. No matter what evidence comes to light that the story of the alledged victim doesn't hold up, you cover your ears and repeat "I believe women". You're not feminists. All you do is making it harder for real victims to be heard, because the next time someone is accused everyone will point to Neymar's case although it's an outlier in a sea of real accusations.
I agree.Stepping into this thread is like entering the twilight zone. You guys don't care about the victims, women's rights or facts at all. All you care about is getting one in on the "other side". You are a bunch of narcissists who could never admit that they were wrong, because doing that would mean the "other side" won. You know what's funny though? The "other side" thinks exactly the same way and that is why nothing will ever change in the USA. And it's a disease that spreads to the countries that are culturally influenced by you. Because of it Trump will be re-elected, no matter how shitty he was as a president and the UK will leave the EU, no matter how much lies were told about the benefits of doing so. Because facts don't matter, morals don't matter, what only matters is my team winning over the opponent. I see this everyday when reading news and social media. And it's the same in this thread. No matter what evidence comes to light that the story of the alledged victim doesn't hold up, you cover your ears and repeat "I believe women". You're not feminists. All you do is making it harder for real victims to be heard, because the next time someone is accused everyone will point to Neymar's case although it's an outlier in a sea of real accusations.
Stepping into this thread is like entering the twilight zone. You guys don't care about the victims, women's rights or facts at all. All you care about is getting one in on the "other side". You are a bunch of narcissists who could never admit that they were wrong, because doing that would mean the "other side" won. You know what's funny though? The "other side" thinks exactly the same way and that is why nothing will ever change in the USA. And it's a disease that spreads to the countries that are culturally influenced by you. Because of it Trump will be re-elected, no matter how shitty he was as a president and the UK will leave the EU, no matter how much lies were told about the benefits of doing so. Because facts don't matter, morals don't matter, what only matters is my team winning over the opponent. I see this everyday when reading news and social media. And it's the same in this thread. No matter what evidence comes to light that the story of the alledged victim doesn't hold up, you cover your ears and repeat "I believe women". You're not feminists. All you do is making it harder for real victims to be heard, because the next time someone is accused everyone will point to Neymar's case although it's an outlier in a sea of real accusations.
It's right afterwards she says that he left her alone. It does make her look bad without a more informed knowledge of the situation. Whoever leaked the video, it will be easily traceable by the police. The former lawyer might have a copy as well.Police only found prints belonging to her and her maid in her apartment so far tho
Do feel that if one were trying to leak the vid to make her look bad, theyd cut it after she hit him but before she mentioned being assaulted the day before, fwiw
SofNascimento did a good run down on the situation here:Just jumped into this. Can someone give me a rundown of what has happened in this case so far?
So I translated a short chronology about the case for anyone that is interested and to maybe avoid more misinformation, the original is here.
Before May 15th:
Najila keeps contact with Neymar using a social network and both start to text to each other.
They agree about Najila trip to Paris, with the cost paid by the football player.
May 15th:
Neymar and Najila get together in a hotel in Paris, where she was staying.
In this day, according to the model, she was victim of assault and rape.
May 16th:
They go back to talk using a message app again. She says she wants to meet with him again. Neymar says: "Of course I want to have sex with you again".
The player goes again to the hotel Najila is staying. A video shows the model forcefully slapping [agrendindo a tapas] the player. The video is interrupted without showing the scene's conclusion.
Neymar leaves the hotel. Later, they exchange messages by a social network: the model sent a picture of her body with marks. Neymar answers saying she was the one to blame for the marks. "Are you crazy?", questioned the model, claiming she asked the player and Neymar even apologized to her.
May 21th:
Already back to Brazil, Najila undergoes an exam with the medic Luiz Eduardo Rossi Campedelli. The report shows bruises, scratches in the gluteus, anxiety and depressive dissorder and not specified superficial traumas.
May 31th:
The model press charges (accusing Neymar of rape) in a policie station in São Paulo.
June 1st:
The case becomes public. The player's father says the athlete is victim of an attempt of extortion; the laywer then representing Najila denies that.
June 2nd:
Neymar records a video saying their relation was consensual. "It was a relation between man and woman, between the four walls, something that happens with every couple (...) Now I was caught off guard because of this."
June 5th:
In an interview, the model said she refused to have a sexual relation with the player because there was no condoms, according to her, he turned her and hit her violently in the buttocks.
June 6th:
Neymar testifies in a police station in Rio de Janeiro claiming that advisors were responsible for publishing the video with the model's intimate pictures. As he was leaving, he shows gratitude for the support: "I felt much loved".
June 7th:
Najila testifies in a São Paulo police station about her accusation against Neymar of assault and rape.
I tried to be as faithful as I could, if I made some gross mistake that compromises the original meaning please let me know.
No. If i were the defence and engaging in something as illegal as a break, theft of evidence, and engage in a controlled leak, id either cut to before she mentions the aggression (since she already slapped him before that) or go the extra length and try to edit the audio of her mentioning it out of the thing.In a defense strategy sense, don't you agree that it doesn't make sense to leak that video right in time for what is arguably a credible interview of her talking about what happened? Especially edited down.
Fair, but I'd also remember that editing the video was the same strategy that Neymar used before.No. If i were the defence and engaging in something as illegal as a break, theft of evidence, and engage in a controlled leak, id either cut to before she mentions the aggression (since she already slapped him before that) or go the extra length and try to edit the audio of her mentioning it out of the thing.
Bueno: "Calma, Vamos depois falar pra eu entender e ai montar uma estratégia correra [sic]"
Najila: "Tá bom. Tenho tudo aqui. Conversas".
Advogado: "Relaxa um pouco aí depois conversamos com calma".
Najila: "Minha foto machucada. Vídeo com ele (ele nem sabe desse)".
Advogado: "Faz o seguinte Não mostre isso pra NINGUEM. Nem pra sua melhor amiga, tá?"
Najila: "Mas você acha que tenho que fazer exame de corpo de delito ainda hoje? Ninguém tem. Eu achei que nem ia chegar viva no Brasil".
Advogado: "Não".
Najila: "To sem dormir. Pânico. Eu ia denunciar ele lá na França mesmo. Mas fiquei com medo. Sozinha".
Advogado: "Se você fizer exame eles vão perguntar quem fez. E não é a hora".
Conversas do dia seguinte mostram que Najila volta a perguntar se não deve ir ao médico: "Tem certeza que não preciso fazer exame de corpo de delito?" A resposta é um áudio de 41 segundos. A garota responde: "Ta bom".
here is the full exchange
she admits to leaking a video against the lawyers recommendation, and that's why he ends up dropping her. Not sure if it's the 1 minuted edited video tho
With Mauro Naves reportedly involved at a cover up and being friends with the former lawyer, an investigation on what motives he would have to do that needs to start ASAP. Maybe the actual stronger evidence of what actually happened is there. If he didn't do anything, why to try to cover up? The fact that the lawyer is an owner of a restaurant that is partnered with Neymar's foundation is another unfortunate coincidence. The negotiations only went "truly south" once she insisted on filing a police report. We can't ignore the possibility of this girl could potentially be dead if she hadn't actually made that police report.ok, the lawyer telling her *not* to get her body examined asap is beyond the beyond fucked up. Dude's goddamn *fucked* there.
And yeah, her body of evidence would be miles stronger had she done it in france. French police would also probs be way better equipped to deal with the investigation.
you're right, I worded it wrong.hat's wrong. She says that she will do it, not that she did it. Her words are:
Pretty much. That was some really bad advice from the lawyer there. Ended up hurting her case for sure.ok, the lawyer telling her *not* to get her body examined asap is beyond the beyond fucked up. Dude's goddamn *fucked* there.
And yeah, her body of evidence would be miles stronger had she done it in france. French police would also probs be way better equipped to deal with the investigation.
Things like this I speak with sound confidence that aren't simply "bad legal advice". This is deliberate. The way it's looking, the former lawyer was indeed selling her, and by selling her I don't even mean a private settlement. No lawyer with good intentions and having his client's interests at heart would ever tell her that. He put his former client's life in serious risk here, and I'm starting to suspect this woman wouldn't be around if she didn't file the police report agaisnt her former's "lawyer" will. Why would the lawyer keep her waiting after a reunion that she didn't even asked for and still selling her a bullshit story of "strategy"? Holy shit at this story, it keeps getting fucking crazier.Pretty much. That was some really bad advice from the lawyer there. Ended up hurting her case for sure.