No idea tbh. It sounds weird all together. Waiving, moving to a non-contender...
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NHL Off-season Thread 2019 |OT| You'd still be playing if you had Ryan Reaves
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No idea tbh. It sounds weird all together. Waiving, moving to a non-contender...
Maybe if the Leafs threaten his iron man streak lol
Or if he just wants to relax and hang out in the sun for a year *shrug*
Or if he just wants to relax and hang out in the sun for a year *shrug*
Lol looking for news from the old site's 2011 off season thread I found this:
Different times, different CBA heh.
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8 years already huh... Time have flown by. I remember my old boss and I just kind of staring at the announcement on TV in utter disbelief.
It's been a very memorable 8 years. I'm eagerly anticipating what the future holds for the Jets.
It's been a very memorable 8 years. I'm eagerly anticipating what the future holds for the Jets.
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Is it weird I'm kinda excited by the thought of a Trouba trade? I guess I've just been so certain it would have to happen one day I don't care as much about losing a true #1 RHD as I should.
Myers is going UFA
Trouba is getting traded
Byfuglien is 34 years old
Who's helping out Buff? Jets have LHDs who can play on the right side?
Nah, I'm in the same boat. I just want the drama with him to end. (Not that there has been tons in comparison to certain other teams) It's been obvious to us fans here that he's not exactly been thrilled to play here over the years and has just been playing until his options open. I understand never wanting to trade a drafted and developed player, and can appreciate that mentality... At the same time, I just want no distractions for the team. They need to refocus and be much sharper in this coming season, with or without Trouba. As long as we get something of equal value or as good a fit, so to speak, I'm fine with trading Trouba. He's become a very solid Dman for us over the years and I don't regret the Jets ever drafting him ever, but I also want someone who actually enjoys it with the team and not just because it's a paycheque.
If I recall, he's one of 2 Jets who ever went to arbitration (The other being Morrissey... Which I hope isn't a Trouba Part II). I just am tired of the same questions with him each season. The doubts, the what ifs and the like. I think we could get a nice return for him, especially if we can help him out in going to a team near where he wants to be. (Florida, Detroit... Tampa?)
Whenever I kind of regret losing a potential 1 RHD, I just think of how many times he coughed up the puck RIGHT IN THE SLOT last season, and I proceeded to age 5 years in 30 seconds. He's made some boneheaded plays that a lot of other people seem to miss or overlook, so... He's good, but nothing to really lose sleep over if we lose his services as a Jet, considering the reasons above.
We'll see... I could see us getting a first rounder back on Draft day... I'm anticipating it a lot, considering that we don't have a pick in the first round... Yet.
Detroit was going after Trouba last year. Wouldn't be shocked if they try something to revitalize their D.
ECHL: "So, you want our shipping person to set up a Fedex pickup at your offices?"
Lind: "The Kelly Cup will remain in Colorado."
ECHL: "... We could mail you a waybill to stick on a box if that's easier? Do you have like a pelican case and some bubble wrap, it's not that hard really."
Yeah I don't get it.
Something I have been thinking about for a while, mostly due to all the Marner contract rumours, is the nature of RFA value.
I think a lot of the discourse surrounding RFAs, both by analysts and teams, is comparables. Makes sense, since that's how arbitration works. If you look at comps in a rigorous manner then Marner should probably get paid somewhere around $9-9.5 million AAV. He obviously wants more than $10 million, and perhaps more than $11 million, which would make him the highest paid winger in the league and is pretty absurd given he only has a one year sample of elite level production.
However, my thought is whether it's really fair to shoehorn an RFA value discussion as a function of comps. In theory, there is a free market for RFAs, and the NHL has set the terms for compensation. Obviously I'm talking about offer sheets. In all likelihood, players won't get an offer sheet, and even if they did, most wouldn't sign them (in my opinion). But when there is an open market for a free agent, even restricted, shouldn't players feel that they are worth whatever the highest bidder would be willing to offer? Unrestricted free agents have that luxury, and the only difference with a restricted free agent is there is a limiter applied by the league in the form of compensatory picks.
If a team would be willing to pay $11 million AAV plus 4 first round picks for an RFA, isn't that what they are worth? I think it's within Marner's right to think that. Now, I don't think anyone would offer that, but if we're talking about $10.5 million, two 1sts, one 2nd, and one 3rd... yeah, I could see someone making that deal. Based on comps, that's a crazy number, but I don't think Marner is wrong to feel he should get paid that much. I doubt he will sign an offer sheet but if the entire league weren't literally colluding to make offer sheets not a thing, isn't that his actual value?
I don't know if this is what Marner's camp is thinking, because if his argument is based on comps, then he's delusional. But I think if more RFAs wanted to treat their restricted free agency as a legitimate free agency, which it theoretically is, then most RFAs should be getting paid a hell of a lot more than they are right now. If Marner wants to get paid "what he's worth" (aka what the highest bidder would be willing to pay plus compensation) then by all means he should try to make it happen, as should all the other premier RFAs this summer -- and there are a lot of them!
I think a lot of the discourse surrounding RFAs, both by analysts and teams, is comparables. Makes sense, since that's how arbitration works. If you look at comps in a rigorous manner then Marner should probably get paid somewhere around $9-9.5 million AAV. He obviously wants more than $10 million, and perhaps more than $11 million, which would make him the highest paid winger in the league and is pretty absurd given he only has a one year sample of elite level production.
However, my thought is whether it's really fair to shoehorn an RFA value discussion as a function of comps. In theory, there is a free market for RFAs, and the NHL has set the terms for compensation. Obviously I'm talking about offer sheets. In all likelihood, players won't get an offer sheet, and even if they did, most wouldn't sign them (in my opinion). But when there is an open market for a free agent, even restricted, shouldn't players feel that they are worth whatever the highest bidder would be willing to offer? Unrestricted free agents have that luxury, and the only difference with a restricted free agent is there is a limiter applied by the league in the form of compensatory picks.
If a team would be willing to pay $11 million AAV plus 4 first round picks for an RFA, isn't that what they are worth? I think it's within Marner's right to think that. Now, I don't think anyone would offer that, but if we're talking about $10.5 million, two 1sts, one 2nd, and one 3rd... yeah, I could see someone making that deal. Based on comps, that's a crazy number, but I don't think Marner is wrong to feel he should get paid that much. I doubt he will sign an offer sheet but if the entire league weren't literally colluding to make offer sheets not a thing, isn't that his actual value?
I don't know if this is what Marner's camp is thinking, because if his argument is based on comps, then he's delusional. But I think if more RFAs wanted to treat their restricted free agency as a legitimate free agency, which it theoretically is, then most RFAs should be getting paid a hell of a lot more than they are right now. If Marner wants to get paid "what he's worth" (aka what the highest bidder would be willing to pay plus compensation) then by all means he should try to make it happen, as should all the other premier RFAs this summer -- and there are a lot of them!
Because they've also got Provorov and Sanheim on the left side. Ghostbear is on a great contract, still in his prime, but a few years older than the other two.
Not saying they'll trade him for those reasons, but it could make sense.
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The rest of the article is some kind of fantasy where some west coast team wants to pay Marleau 6.25m against the cap for one year of Leadership on the 4th line.
The rest of the article is some kind of fantasy where some west coast team wants to pay Marleau 6.25m against the cap for one year of Leadership on the 4th line.
Flyers have a lot of young defencemen and Gostisbehere has been passed by a few other younger guys. Also the team has been openly talking about his shaky play the past year or so, which is a bit rare and shows a lack of faith in him I think.
Seeing Hamonic available from Calgary intrigues me. He hasn't really impressed on the Flames since his trade from NY but he's so cheap (albeit for one year) and the Jets could really user a RHD for the second pair.
We've talked about this. No. Just no. But *checks contract* you'll be able to get a 5 team trade list from him in... 2022? Wow, uh, yikes. Five more years on a 6.875AAV huh, that's a shame. Anyway, good chance the Leafs will still need a RHD in 2022 so maybe that'll work.
I'd have to take a deeper look into his numbers, but up front he seems like a really intriguing option. Bergevin has to get a top LD, and June is his favourite month to play.
Devils need to trade him then. Don't be dumb like the Islanders were with Tavares.
"MIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRTTTLLEEEEEEEEEEEE"
The rest of the article is some kind of fantasy where some west coast team wants to pay Marleau 6.25m against the cap for one year of Leadership on the 4th line.
Saw the headline of that piece and thought: "Weird I hadn't heard of the trade until now." I guess the Leafs are lucky that Marleau wants to go but "stars align to trade..." made it seem like a done deal. Still have to find someone to take both of them.
not for 6.25 but 3? probably. i don't think the leafs would have a problem retaining 50% of the cap hit to get rid of the other half"MIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRTTTLLEEEEEEEEEEEE"
The rest of the article is some kind of fantasy where some west coast team wants to pay Marleau 6.25m against the cap for one year of Leadership on the 4th line.
also the Zaitsev interview was really funny
Has Pagnotta ever reported anything that's come true? The guy operates a site where he refers to himself and his tweets in the third person
He's an Eklund tier clown and people need to stop using him as a source. That being said I could totally see Hall hitting UFA.
Pagnotta caused some mild waves in Jets-land with a vague, killing-time-on-the-radio assertion that Laine wants out and is "exploring all his options" to get a contract he likes (no shit?) and "could sign an offer sheet" (?). He also described the Jets as a budget team implying they wouldn't be able to afford Laine like they don't spend to the cap; a couple of local Jets insiders on Twitter seemed mildly surprised by the report until they learned it was from Pagnotta and then they shrug emojied it. So, pretty standard for him I think.
McKenzie apparently said something about Subban yesterday, time for everyone to microwave their cold-ass P.K. locker-room takes.
It's almost like Josi's magical $4M AAV contract is up and Fabbro's looking legit.
It's almost like Josi's magical $4M AAV contract is up and Fabbro's looking legit.
I actually clicked on the article (I recommend not doing this) and it links to a top trade targets list where Hall is #1 (lol) and Pagnotta has referred to himself in the third person as the editor-in-chief. He's Eklund fully realized.
Funny how deadline rentals create this weird scenario where the guy you paid a 1st++ for 3 months ago, who arguably didn't help your team and disappointed somewhat, nets a 5th and this can be seen as a coup. All forgotten.
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Sounds like a good pickup for the Stars.
That guy comes across as simply saying things for the sake of creating controversy (and clicks) based on absolutely nothing. I've quickly come to dismiss anything with his name attached.
In regards to Hayes, it was a gamble that didn't really pay off for the Jets. I did not expect them to recoup anything for him so in that sense, it's a form of save of face for us to at least get *something* for him as opposed to say losing Stastny last season.
Yeah but the deadline deal is past, it was a decent gamble at the time (one I didn't love but I was much more negative on the team than the GM maybe should be). He played fine in the role they needed him for but nothing special and the fact the team lost in the first round is most of the reason the deal looks disappointing, and now they got an asset for letting a team talk to a guy on his way out the door for a couple of weeks.
Also, Brendan Lemieux is thrilled to be referred to as the "++" in a deal.
