hey look at it this way, if he really is the doctor then we have the consolation prize of spark role claiming correctly for thr first time ever.The whole post just feels like town, but that Sparks vote is bold to a degree that I don't see scum doing that and I kind of respect it
I think in general that post was convincing play by discovery
Lot of depth but all spontaneous, capable of switching modes beween intricate and shallow thoughts with ease, great flow, get the sense that he was really just taking in what he saw and slapping down thoughts as they came, also just... pretty good takes?
Who do people think the most fallible townread here is[He/Him] Funky Dude Sparks - UTC-5
[He/Him] Randomless|Ran - UTC-5
[She/Her] Sawneeks|Sneeks - UTC-7
[He/Him] Stantastic|Stan - UTC+12
[He/Him] HPSauce|HP - UTC+1
Sparks given this is just him being nonsensical as usual.
I definitely softened the townread I had based on those reasons, definitely don't hold up incredibly well
Sparks claims are basically astrologyI definitely softened the townread I had based on those reasons, definitely don't hold up incredibly well
But like... the claim?
If I was the doctor I wouldn't even try counter claiming someone like Sparks or Blarg given that it'd probably make the town situation worse. So if you want to take his word at face value, sure he could be the doctor but the real doctor would never want to claim against them, nor should they want to.
OhTo give proper context rather than just being a spitefull dickhead, Sparks has a long history of misreading his role PM if reading it at all, many a game has been derailed by a spark roleclaim that was either flat out erroneous, repeatedly contradicted itself and did everything it possibly could to render itself as suspect as possible, or apparently entirely made up upon him never having read the role Pm in the first place.
i can easily see a scum sparks panicking at the slightest resistance and thinking that fake claiming doctor is a good idea to fix it, esp given how much town voting out the doctor on D1 is a bigly meme here.Oh
Okay but the question isn't really "Is he doc" it's "Is he town"
Do you think he claims doc as wolf here?
like, the idea that sparks read that hes the doctor, properly internalised that information, and attached enough importance to that function that he felt the need to bring it up even before it was under threat rather than much, much, later is all already the opposite to what id expect from him.
yeah and iv asked him to stop @ing me for no reason more than once but that sure hasnt worked.
im well aware im biased at this point, but i also dont think im being unreasonable here.
Wait whatScum Sparks claimed doctor day 1 in my first game here, so I don't think it's completely impossible, but again, just not something I'm planning on going after unless I have a better reason to.
You walk back Anex but I'm curious about your thoughts on the former now.
I'm not voting for you because I'm not voting for anyone yet.Ephidel do you scum read me still and if not what made u change ur mind and if u still do why arnt u voting for me?
I don't actually recall him being neutral 🤔Right so Fate is doubling down on his bitching and moaning "im a whiney ass and thats everyone elses problem" play i dont have an alignment read on this as the other time i saw it he was a neutral, but would be fine kicking him out since it just fun vampirism.
Because you like us really <3Everytime i log on in the morning and see the bunch of pages in fron of me i wonder why i still play this game.
I don't like these posts. The woe is me portion feels like frustrated scum, which I get it, I've been there, but I'm also not falling for it. The LP and the Anex read in the first one are the big red flags for me. The LP portion feels like a genuine scum read, but despite being someone who she's scum reading she only kind of sees the case on Anex?
And then we go down to the second post and Anex is on her would vote for list, while LP is nowhere to be seen?
And again, I have no clue why Thorny is scum reading the people she's scum reading. It feels like she's hoping if she says the names enough, people will fill in the blanks themselves. My vote is staying where it is.
. Me and Fate ending up on her scum list with no elaboration after we both scum read her is also just the worst vibe
That's a lot of red there HawthornI see a few people besides me were also suspicious of LP, so I'm going to switch my vote there and see if we can't get a train. I do think he's good when town in later days, but he's come off as suspicious right now enough that I'm ready to kill him.
vote: LP/highlight]
interesting discussion, btw, on our community norm of basing votes on more than pure suspicion. I like that we do it this way. I think that unless you make allowances for players individual natures, RL business, etc, mafia can easily turn into an assumption that there's a "right" way to play, to play that way is to be town, and to play less than optimally is to be mafia, when of course what you roll often has nothing to do with how well you present yourself as town.
my own "would vote" list is not a scum list— I don't have many good scum reads so far, I guess LP is one but it's still so light and based on so few posts that I'm second guessing it even as I vote for him. Rather it was a list of people I don't town read and don't have a reason to want to avoid eliminating on D1.
I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
about sparks himself, I was mainly thinking that it wouldn't occur to him to claim doctor if it wasn't something he thought he saw in his role pm. I'd like him to be able to at least submit some heals if he is doc, maybe hoping too much. But hearing that he fake claimed doc d1 in a different game gives me pause. What game? Still wouldn't vote today though.
chuggs is in a tunnel on me, nothing I can say that won't be further proof of guilt in his eyes.
mentioned above, it's not really a scum list. It's who remains after I took off the people I town read or wouldn't want to vote today. I did explain why, I know you don't find it convincing, but at this state it's not about being persuasive it's about getting my thoughts out in the open.
you have a good point about LP tbh. Should have been on my list by then. I was tired & still in the mindset of wanting to keep LP around as a good player, which in retrospect does not make sense given my read.
not following about anex however.
exactly why I would not put you both on my "would vote" list (not a scum list) if I was mafia, bc I would know I would get this response "oh no, you did something that hits my checklist mafia behavior" I know to avoid that checklist as mafia. As town I like to be honest because I care more about catching mafia & making the right moves to get town to a win than I do about performing town play.
I don't like these posts. The woe is me portion feels like frustrated scum, which I get it, I've been there, but I'm also not falling for it. The LP and the Anex read in the first one are the big red flags for me. The LP portion feels like a genuine scum read, but despite being someone who she's scum reading she only kind of sees the case on Anex?
And then we go down to the second post and Anex is on her would vote for list, while LP is nowhere to be seen?
And again, I have no clue why Thorny is scum reading the people she's scum reading. It feels like she's hoping if she says the names enough, people will fill in the blanks themselves. My vote is staying where it is.
Sawneeks It's this part mainly. Again, absolutely get it. Getting scum read when you're trying not to be sucks when you have other players coasting by on nothing because of meta, but it also feels like a real scummy line of thought. Like she can't actually argue against the scum reads, so we get this instead. Me and Fate ending up on her scum list with no elaboration after we both scum read her is also just the worst vibe
I said that last game too lol
Stan.
I don't think Sneeks has actually posted since Stan has to be grouped in with them like that.I liked Stan's post, but don't like how quickly people have given him a firm town read based on so little (c4, Chuggs, & sneaks). Yes I do think scum Stan would be so bold with that sparks vote, given that he had a good argument ready for it.
So you think in this game so far he's tending towards snarky instead of reasonable?Based on the ISOs I've read of Zeke, he tends to play town as more snarky and biting while his mafia play he seems a lot more reasonable. I'm leaning that he's town for now at least based on what I've seen him posted on D1. Within his acceptable town range for me but I won't underestimate his ability to change at a flip of a coin.
yeah this is pretty much it.
oh that must be so daunting
Considering it took me an hour to write up on 2 pages of stuff last night yeah it kinda fuckin is.yeah this is pretty much it.
Damn you wonderful people.
oh that must be so daunting
Wow thanks that's very kind.Feel better about Stan after that opening salvo.
Would definitely vote LP after that milquetoast start.
However, I'm going to start Vote: CheshireCat to start. Of the people who have the highest posts without a vote, she's near the top. Giving a temporary pass to HP for now because I'm interested to see where his farmers' almanacs go.
Yes, allowing you to continue to expend a considerable amount of personal effort with no guarantee on return is quite benevolent, isn't it?
I think if you want to OMGUS vote on me you should just do it lolYes, allowing you to continue to expend a considerable amount of personal effort with no guarantee on return is quite benevolent, isn't it?
I actually do want to see you stick around, all kidding aside. Summaries can be immensely helpful. ISOs are time-consuming and prone to losing context.I think if you want to OMGUS vote on me you should just do it lol
Yeah I ain't interested in ISOs. I don't personally get any benefit out of them.I actually do want to see you stick around, all kidding aside. Summaries can be immensely helpful. ISOs are time-consuming and prone to losing context.
Idk if im tunnelling on you but im p sure scum!haw voted for ECNot sure I agree with you about roles, but sure I'll put a vote down since I'll be sporadically available
vote: EvilChameleon
I would still also vote for you, Chuggs, neki, or anex, as of now.
I dont really like this turn around by neonI actually agree. Rereading that part, it seems that Fate making comments based on who is atround is a regular thing. Plus, he did mention that he was tired and (getting a bit meta here), making comments based on who is around is something that I also do from time to time.
then go for it, plenty of people have voiced their desire to vote for me for one reason or anotherRight so Fate is doubling down on his bitching and moaning "im a whiney ass and thats everyone elses problem" play i dont have an alignment read on this as the other time i saw it he was a neutral, but would be fine kicking him out since it just fun vampirism.
contuine window shopping for a potential vote thenI wouldn't feel particularly bad if you were an end of day train nor particularly opposed to finding myself on it, but I'm not interested in boarding it just yet. I'm still looking around.