Nigel Farage's Brexit Party rally in turmoil as 'protesters turn up holding milkshakes'

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Even if it's not super violent it is still a physical aggression and a very non intellectual way of protesting against the far right. With these actions many people sitting on the fence about very important issues like Brexit may decide their votes on stupid shit like this.

And also this is the typical thing that can escalate into more serious stuff and we've already awarded them with the "well, you started this" argument.

It's all very very dumb imo.
It must be nice to be so unaffected by white nationalist far right policies that the only thing that gets you off the fence is a milkshake and vote for the racists and bigots. Like that was the deciding factor, not all the Nazi/bigoted/white nationalist shit. A milkshake.
 

limerobot

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As funny as it is to see someone get covered in a milkshake, the next stage will not be good for neither side of the debate.

Every milkshake that farage gets covered in, some idiot is going to do the same to the other side - and perhaps more harmful.

It will escalate.

Write placards, chant a chorus, follow them around playing a tuba, but assault is never the answer.
 

Breqesk

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I'm with you and this is proving a very unpopular opinion with my left leaning friends as well. But theyre wrong, and youre right.

Basically soon the pro brexit party people (and there are a lot of em) will start showing up with their own milkshakes. Then they will start throwing bricks and people are gonna get seriously hurt. That's what we mean by escalation. Posting links to terrible things the far right have done is not a counter argument, its fucking EVIDENCE that this is the way it gonna go. If you think thats the answer, good for you, but I don't and i think this behaviour should be discouraged and not applauded, no matter how funny it is to see farage covered in milkshake, which was barely funny to begin with given the circumstances.
'let the far right walk all over you, and then walk some more. otherwise they might get violent.'

yea thanks for your input mate, real helpful.
 

Teeny

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Peaceful protest does not work against these public figures who's awful rhetoric has already been normalised, who's calls for violence have already been normalised, who's ideology has already shifted public perception for the worse.

Actual direct action is what is required, what has always been required when this kind of scum starts to rise up. Never have fascists and racists been subdued by peaceful protests. They slowly gain support, then they gain power, then they cause utter turmoil and exact violence onto their enemies. Frankly, they are getting away lightly with milkshakes.

If you can point at a fascist rising that has been stopped in it's tracks peacefully, I'll be willing to change my mind. As it is, fuck Farage, fuck Robinson and fuck the rest of their ilk.
 

iswasdoes

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'let the far right walk all over you, and then walk some more. otherwise they might get violent.'

yea thanks for your input mate, real helpful.
Not what I said is it mate.

Peaceful protest does not work against these public figures who's awful rhetoric has already been normalised, who's calls for violence have already been normalised, who's ideology has already shifted public perception for the worse.

Actual direct action is what is required, what has always been required when this kind of scum starts to rise up. Never have fascists and racists been subdued by peaceful protests. They slowly gain support, then they gain power, then they cause utter turmoil and exact violence onto their enemies. Frankly, they are getting away lightly with milkshakes.

If you can point at a fascist rising that has been stopped in it's tracks peacefully, I'll be willing to change my mind. As it is, fuck Farage, fuck Robinson and fuck the rest of their ilk.
So if im reading this right, youre advocating for more violent protest? This is what im talking about. What exactly do you suggest?
 

Dirtyshubb

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You people saying that the milkshakes will lead to escalation need to realise, these thugs arent being driven to violence because of the left.

These arseholes are doing it because:

1) They have always been violent, people get attacked because of race/religion/political leanings all the time but you just dont see it.
2) Its people like Farage who are causing the escalation by calling every remainer a traitor etc.

I understand where you are coming from and from your perspective you are right, but the reality of the situation is that it isnt the Milkshake throwers fault for this happening in any way. In fact there is a strong argument that throwing a milkeshake over Farage is one of the most effective methods we have to ruin his message because without it all you see is a guy with horrible views being taken seriously by every news outlet and people who agree with his fascist views but post milkshake he just looks like a petulant child who is scared of some flavoured drinks, helping to ruin his credibility.
 
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People have been throwing eggs, food, and even shit at politicians since forever. Thinking milkshakes is some previously unknown escalation is absurd. If anything the escalating factor in recent years was the racist and violent rhetoric begun by Farage and his ilk that led to the murder of a politician.
 

iswasdoes

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It happened before people were slinging milkshakes, are you seriously saying that people slinging milkshakes is going to make it more likely to happen in the future?
Yep, thats exactly what I'm saying. That was one right wing nutter with a knife, you wanna unite whole mobs of them flinging shit at each other? Someone will get injured or worse in a brawl from a milkshake incident soon, and then I hope all of you feel sorry for yourselves. Or maybe you think thats a good thing, in which case we just arnt gonna agree
 

Breqesk

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Not what I said is it mate.
it's exactly what you said. at what point does overt, physical resistance become justified, in your mind? because you've been shown examples of how far right rhetoric has killed, and continues to kill, vulnerable people, and yet you continue to argue that, should they keep doing exactly what they're already doing, it'll be the fault of folks throwing milkshakes. so, what, we continue to just do nothing, to let them spread their bile unimpeded? what the fuck are you proposing?

if you don't understand the implications of what you're saying, it ain't on us.

This hit a little too close home.
Yea, Austin had similar thoughts. Plus, the game explicitly engages with, amongst other things, how low-income, predominantly black communities in San Francisco are overpoliced, and how cops are encouraged to treat those areas as high risk zones, and 'go in shooting'. It deals with how cops can use the privilege afforded by their position to get away with terrorising communities, while facing no consequences themselves. It actually engages with systemic inequality and discrimination, in multiple different areas of society.

It's not perfect in how it explores any of those ideas - and definitely could've gone much harder on the police than it did - but it does engage with them in a meaningful way that doesn't just fall back to fence-sitting, which is so much more than can generally be said of AAA games in contemporary settings.
 

TheLetdown

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As funny as it is to see someone get covered in a milkshake, the next stage will not be good for neither side of the debate.

Every milkshake that farage gets covered in, some idiot is going to do the same to the other side - and perhaps more harmful.

It will escalate.

Write placards, chant a chorus, follow them around playing a tuba, but assault is never the answer.
The far right has already escalated to violence: outright murder.

This is quite a few steps back from shooting up a mosque.
 

Herey

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Not that slippery slope again. Will someone think of the fascists?!
People have been throwing eggs, food, and even shit at politicians since forever. Thinking milkshakes is some previously unknown escalation is absurd. If anything the escalating factor in recent years was the racist and violent rhetoric begun by Farage and his ilk that led to the murder of a politician.
Ya, acting like this is the thing that could push the far right into violence. They’re already there.
 

danowat

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Yep, thats exactly what I'm saying. That was one right wing nutter with a knife, you wanna unite whole mobs of them flinging shit at each other? Someone will get injured or worse in a brawl from a milkshake incident soon, and then I hope all of you feel sorry for yourselves. Or maybe you think thats a good thing, in which case we just arnt gonna agree
I really think you need to think about the mentality of the people, what they stand for, and where the motivation for each of these attacks comes from, they aren't the same, they aren't related, and one isn't going to have a bearing on the likely hood of the other happening.

Not sure if you're just trolling, or generally being obtuse.
 

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Cold milk shaked in a special machine. I never really thought about it too hard before and I'm not very smart =p
Ah. I guess that's the literal interpretation. There isn't a high enough fat content in milk to thicken it up by mixing, although you can get shakes that basically are just milk + a flavouring (like Nesquik).
 

iswasdoes

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it's exactly what you said. at what point does overt, physical resistance become justified, in your mind? because you've been shown examples of how far right rhetoric has killed, and continues to kill, vulnerable people, and yet you continue to argue that, should they keep doing exactly what they're already doing, it'll be the fault of folks throwing milkshakes. so, what, we continue to just do nothing, to let them spread their bile unimpeded? what the fuck are you proposing?

if you don't understand the implications of what you're saying, it ain't on us.
I think its you who doesnt understand the implications. As I say, if/when someone gets really hurt I hope you diont see the same way. And if you do, then youre the kind of person who thinks violence solves problems. either way I think we're done here
 

Breqesk

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I think its you who doesnt understand the implications. As I say, if/when someone gets really hurt I hope you diont see the same way. And if you do, then youre the kind of person who thinks violence solves problems. either way I think we're done here
People have ALREADY been hurt, and the entire premise of your argument is fundamentally flawed. You're unwilling to see that, so yes, we are done here.
 

limerobot

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The far right has already escalated to violence: outright murder.
Are you seruously sugesting that this 1 terrible incident justifies anything up to / or including the same?

It will escalate if it continues. There will be one person from the far left (not representative of the overwheming majority) who throws acid next.
 

Sloth Guevara

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I think its you who doesnt understand the implications. As I say, if/when someone gets really hurt I hope you diont see the same way. And if you do, then youre the kind of person who thinks violence solves problems. either way I think we're done here

Dude, almost zero progress would have been made with out threats of violence.
Remember stonewall?
 

Sloth Guevara

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Are you seruously sugesting that this 1 terrible incident justifies anything up to / or including the same?

It will escalate if it continues. There will be one person from the far left (not representative of the overwheming majority) who throws acid next.

I’ve heard this so many times but if we look historically it has been the far right that first and foremost use the most violence.
 

Dirtyshubb

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Are you seruously sugesting that this 1 terrible incident justifies anything up to / or including the same?

It will escalate if it continues. There will be one person from the far left (not representative of the overwheming majority) who throws acid next.
Are you seriously trying to suggest people who are OK with Milkshakes being thrown as a political act are also justifying murder like the right wing have done already?

Some serious bullshit from you overly concerned lot that completely ignores history, reality and logic.
 

Sloth Guevara

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Are you seruously sugesting that this 1 terrible incident justifies anything up to / or including the same?

It will escalate if it continues. There will be one person from the far left (not representative of the overwheming majority) who throws acid next.
Lol!
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Should have known.
 

TheLetdown

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Are you seruously sugesting that this 1 terrible incident justifies anything up to / or including the same?

It will escalate if it continues. There will be one person from the far left (not representative of the overwheming majority) who throws acid next.
It’s not just 1 incident. Whether it’s mowing down protestors with a car, mowing down people in a synagogue, the gangbeating of Antifa members caught on tape, etc.

And no, I’m not saying it justifies anything. I’m saying browbeating “violent” actions like the holding milkshakes for fear of escalation looks fucking foolish when the “other side” we’re afraid of provoking already marches with torches and automatic weapons and has for at least 2 years.
 

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Even if it's not super violent it is still a physical aggression and a very non intellectual way of protesting against the far right. With these actions many people sitting on the fence about very important issues like Brexit may decide their votes on stupid shit like this.

And also this is the typical thing that can escalate into more serious stuff and we've already awarded them with the "well, you started this" argument.

It's all very very dumb imo.
They don't give a fuck what the left or everyone against their ideas can say. They can only intake agreement and flattery.

So time to fucking humiliate them as the dickheads they are.
 

iswasdoes

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Astonishing how quickly the line has turned from ‘it’s not violence to throw milkshakes’ to ‘violence is necessary for change’
 

Dirtyshubb

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Astonishing how quickly the line has turned from ‘it’s not violence to throw milkshakes’ to ‘violence is necessary for change’
I dont think anyone was arguing that throwing a milkshake over someone wasnt technically violence so dont try that disingenuous bullshit.

People are saying that it is a non harmful act thats primary result is embarrassment which is an effective tool against the right/fascists.
 

Watchtower

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The "violent protests will only lead to escalation!" myth is one of those ideas that sounds perfectly logical until you actually understand how these people think. People like the Brexit crowd will always look for some reason to paint themselves the victim and justify escalation. And if nothing exists, they'll just make something up and use that.

It also needs to be stressed that most of the people in said crowd are cowards, leadership included. They hide behind victimhood and lawsuits and civil decency and a strongman persona to spread their ideas and mindsets. Strip that away, dare them to play chicken, and the majority of them will blink and go back to crying in their circles. And the people that would act (like the murderer of Jo Cox) are so fucking gone that they would've acted on anything.
 

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I'm with you and this is proving a very unpopular opinion with my left leaning friends as well. But theyre wrong, and youre right.
Nah. The history of the left is covered in blood, both of our own and of our opposition's. Violence is one of many tools used for societal change, and like all tools, it has been used for good and evil. Most of the progress we've seen in history was done via violence, even the entire concept of the left was born from it. The idea that non-violence is leftist ideology is a myth, it never has nor should it ever be.

We're dealing with fascism, an already violent ideology who's end goal is the genocide and heavy oppression of those that do not meet their standard of the Übermensch. You cannot fight violence with just peaceful protest and democratic means, that's just a fantasy world. If you don't want to get violent, don't, I know I wouldn't unless need be, but I'm not going to stop someone from throwing a milk shake or egg at a fascist moron. I'll just laugh at the egged idiot with everyone else.

Astonishing how quickly the line has turned from ‘it’s not violence to throw milkshakes’ to ‘violence is necessary for change’
The act of throwing a milk shake at a politician is no worse than a tomato, shoe, or egg. It's been a thing for as long as politicians existed. Besides that, it's generally more harmless and more funny compare to what fascists will do if they get into power.
 
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Astonishing how quickly the line has turned from ‘it’s not violence to throw milkshakes’ to 'violence is necessary for change’
They have already fucking killed people.

People are fucking dead, having done absolutely NOTHING to instigate it.

They CONTINUE to act in the interest of ruining the lives of everyone but themselves.

You fear the escalation, but this already is the escalation. They MURDERED people, and we THREW MILKSHAKES AT THEM. And somehow OUR actions are the ones that cross the line?

A fucking milkshake isn't going to harm fucking shit, and if the THREAT of being milkshaked is somehow the thing that finally gets them scared, then keep that dairy coming.

Fear is literally the only thing that stops the far right. Whether it's from the THREAT (but not necessarily the action) of violence, or in this case the mild inconvenience of being showered in dairy, or just from the idea or concept of actually facing consequences for their actions, fear is the only thing that stops these people in their tracks.

So fuck off with this transparent bullshit.
 
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I'm with you and this is proving a very unpopular opinion with my left leaning friends as well. But theyre wrong, and youre right.

Basically soon the pro brexit party people (and there are a lot of em) will start showing up with their own milkshakes. Then they will start throwing bricks and people are gonna get seriously hurt. That's what we mean by escalation. Posting links to terrible things the far right have done is not a counter argument, its fucking EVIDENCE that this is the way it gonna go. If you think thats the answer, good for you, but I don't and i think this behaviour should be discouraged and not applauded, no matter how funny it is to see farage covered in milkshake, which was barely funny to begin with given the circumstances.
Its a milkshake mate, people have been throwing eggs, flour and whatever else at politicians as a form of protest since at least the Roman times. Your slippery slope whataboutism isn't borne out by history. The far right is already violent and the people throwing milkshakes aren't. I don't go to to any extremes with this so don't reply to me about what other people are saying but it's not the milkshakes you should be getting upset about.

I'm glad that you live in a world where the views and expressions of Farage, Robinson and the other fascists won't affect you but please don't get all upset about milkshakes and use it to pretend we're somehow dancing on a pinhead because of it. You're wrong. There is no evidence, history or logic that follows your claims.
 

BeI

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I told someone about the milkshake incident and he acted as if someone may as well have died.

On a related note, is there a list anywhere of all the bad stuff Nigel Farage supports or has done? Would be nice to have something to point to, because all I know is that he pushed hard for Brexit initially.
 

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I know, I know it’s from the Sun and thats a Shit rag, but this popped up in google news & it was too good not to share even if fake.







Even if fake at last it paints a picture for us 🤣

Also fuck the Sun newspaper.
 

tsmoreau

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Lol, the arguments advanced in here.

Conservative assholes will escalate anything: milkshakes, rhetoric, anything.

Doesn't mean we let them do whatever the hell they want to. Bullies don't respond to reasoned debate.
 

klonere

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have we really become so cowed and beaten down by politics that public demonstrations of anger at repulsive, fascist, disaster capitalist scum are somehow out of the bounds of acceptable?

it has been roundly proven that we cannot rely on the media to excise these people from screen or radio nor politicians on the other side to aggressively, constantly denounce them nor our tech overlords who profit from the violent, exploitative rhetoric that Farage and his ilk peddle

it is now up to us to both vote them out and beat them away from public life where they cannot spread their vile contagion

they should absolutely be scared to leave their houses and go into public places for what they have done.
 

HStallion

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As funny as it is to see someone get covered in a milkshake, the next stage will not be good for neither side of the debate.

Every milkshake that farage gets covered in, some idiot is going to do the same to the other side - and perhaps more harmful.

It will escalate.

Write placards, chant a chorus, follow them around playing a tuba, but assault is never the answer.
The entire political end game for these people is hurting others and you're worried that getting milkshakes thrown away them is what's gonna make them go to far? Some of you need to pull your heads out of your ass.
 

iswasdoes

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The entire political end game for these people is hurting others and you're worried that getting milkshakes thrown away them is what's gonna make them go to far? Some of you need to pull your heads out of your ass.
Do you seriously not see the contradiction in your post?!?

Edit: no because you deleted it

He said he’d love to have this kind of thing happen in the US but he worries someone would get shot

Agreed!
 

Hey Please

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