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dom

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,437
That's literally not even the point LOL. It could be the lowest of low streamers. The point is, they're promoting other businesses on top of someone. Ninja is just a name, and it just so happens he's one of the largest.

Like me walking into your store, telling everyone how shitty your store is, and then promoting my shop (while in your store) which is right down the street.
No, this is like a product a store doesn't sell anymore so they recommend something similar. Which happens all the time.
 

Angie

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Nov 20, 2017
39,358
Kingdom of Corona
Huh? They don't do that with literally any other streamer. Also, i'd imagine he'll file some type of claim to get his channel completely taken down after this (which they'll have to abide by).

Advertising other streams on HIS channel is absurd. Essentially promoting other businesses. How you don't find that odd is more alarming.
I assume he can delete his Twitch channel at any time he wants. He must still have control over it I assume.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,133
C'mon, what did you expect Twitch to do to his channel? Build a shrine or a hall of fame around it? He took the $ (and good for him) to exclusively go elsewhere. Not offering a viable alternative would be shortsighted as hell and I don't think they "owe" it to him.

Twitch moderation needs to improve, but that porn "recommendation" is peak "internet going to internet."
Build a shrine or hall of fame? that's CLOSER to what they're doing than if they just treated him like every other streamer.

I think people 'expect' them to just treat him like anyone else and let the channel be closed.
I assume he can delete his Twitch channel at any time he wants. He must still have control over it I assume.
No, he can't. He even says in that tweet that he asked them to and they wouldn't.
 

Mr_DyZ

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Jun 12, 2019
776
I assume he can delete his Twitch channel at any time he wants. He must still have control over it I assume.


Oh yea i'm assuming so. Leaving it up makes sense, at least this early in the transition though. It's only been like a week since he swapped. Lots of spillover people unaware of the change.
 

Katana_Strikes

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Oct 29, 2017
10,719
You see if you go to Ninja's old twitch site now (twitch.tv/ninja) Twitch is promoting other fortnite streamers on that page LOL

Which.... has never happened before. Usually streamers who leave just have their VOD's and what not up. Weird that Twitch is actively promoting other competitors on his channel.
And why shouldn't they. He's the biggest streamer, who's been bought by a competitor in a very high profile way. I think Twitch has every right in that regard to feed traffic to other streamers and keep them on their site. Hopefully it'll mean others gain some new viewers and popularity from it.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Not a worthy ban. From what I've read, someone was restreaming porn and it got into the Fortnite directory which you could see when on Ninja's channel.
 

Mr_DyZ

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Jun 12, 2019
776
And why shouldn't they. He's the biggest streamer, who's been bought by a competitor in a very high profile way. I think Twitch has every right in that regard to feed traffic to other streamers and keep them on their site. Hopefully it'll mean others gain some new viewers and popularity from it.

I'm not going to continue to elaborate on why I think it's wrong. Look at other comments in here.
 

Quantza

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
641
And why shouldn't they. He's the biggest streamer, who's been bought by a competitor in a very high profile way. I think Twitch has every right in that regard to feed traffic to other streamers and keep them on their site. Hopefully it'll mean others gain some new viewers and popularity from it.

You do realise that's social engineering, aka a form of hacking?
Where are your morals, lol?
 

sangreal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,890
And why shouldn't they. He's the biggest streamer, who's been bought by a competitor in a very high profile way. I think Twitch has every right in that regard to feed traffic to other streamers and keep them on their site. Hopefully it'll mean others gain some new viewers and popularity from it.

He is not the biggest streamer
They have every right, however petty, to redirect the page elsewhere
They have zero right to imply his endorsement
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
38,288
ManaByte and others in the thread. I just want to give a quick heads up about our mistake here. That post was reported. We had 5 mods on who tried to verify the claims made in the post but couldn't and given the rash of people making sexist remarks about women who stream we acted in what we thought was the right way. Additional reports gave us additional context and the ban was lifted. Thanks to everyone who reported the post to let us know the facts.

If anyone has further questions about it PM me and I'll do my best to explain but let's not clutter the thread with metacommentary.
 

Keith Stat

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Oct 25, 2017
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From a business standpoint, why would you do "nothing." For a while he was "the" fortnite streamer and took his $ to exclusively go elsewhere. If they can use the ash of his abandoned channel to promote other fortnite streamers (...of course when it isn't porn) I guess I don't see the issue. It's not like they are slandering him or anything. He doesn't work for them anymore.

And to "treat him like others..." there literally has never been another streamer that left a platform for tens of millions of dollars to go stream exclusively somewhere else. This is all unchartered territory here.
 

Katana_Strikes

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Oct 29, 2017
10,719
You do realise that's social engineering, aka a form of hacking?
Where are your morals, lol?
Huh? It's Twitchs site with his profile on it. Up to them what they do with it. If a company takes a major player from you and leaves a big whole to fill, I wouldn't just be doing nothing in that instance. I'd be pushing my site to other streamers to try and keep my consumers engaged on my site and not take them somewhere else. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I sure aint going to stand there when I competitor makes a big move like that and do nothing.
 

Ikuu

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,294
ManaByte and others in the thread. I just want to give a quick heads up about our mistake here. That post was reported. We had 5 mods on who tried to verify the claims made in the post but couldn't and given the rash of people making sexist remarks about women who stream we acted in what we thought was the right way. Additional reports gave us additional context and the ban was lifted. Thanks to everyone who reported the post to let us know the facts.

If anyone has further questions about it PM me and I'll do my best to explain but let's not clutter the thread with metacommentary.

Maybe just ask next time, rather than banning, lol.
 

sangreal

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,890
ManaByte and others in the thread. I just want to give a quick heads up about our mistake here. That post was reported. We had 5 mods on who tried to verify the claims made in the post but couldn't and given the rash of people making sexist remarks about women who stream we acted in what we thought was the right way. Additional reports gave us additional context and the ban was lifted. Thanks to everyone who reported the post to let us know the facts.

If anyone has further questions about it PM me and I'll do my best to explain but let's not clutter the thread with metacommentary.

I know I will be scolded for taking this further off-topic but I would like to applaud the transparency versus just silently lifting the ban
 

ManaByte

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
11,087
Southern California
ManaByte and others in the thread. I just want to give a quick heads up about our mistake here. That post was reported. We had 5 mods on who tried to verify the claims made in the post but couldn't and given the rash of people making sexist remarks about women who stream we acted in what we thought was the right way. Additional reports gave us additional context and the ban was lifted. Thanks to everyone who reported the post to let us know the facts.

If anyone has further questions about it PM me and I'll do my best to explain but let's not clutter the thread with metacommentary.

Thank you.
 

Taffy Lewis

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Oct 27, 2017
1,527
Using his name/brand and channel with a crazy amount of followers that kids watch to promote porn isn't really trivial.

Considering his own many slip ups, he should wait for an apology. That stream obviously was against Twitch TOS.

And his channel being used to promote other, smaller streamers seems like a good thing: It's spreading the wealth around.
 

Tovarisc

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Oct 25, 2017
24,392
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Taffy Lewis

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Oct 27, 2017
1,527
Want to post links to Twitch contracts and maybe some quotes too about how you need such contract to have any control over your channel?

Considering he had to ineffectually post a video about it on Twitter instead of changing anything: Apparently, yes.

So someone who has money has no right to have opinions?

It means them complaining about trivialities is seen in a different context. They have the right, we have the right to disregard it.
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
24,743
Considering his own many slip ups, he should wait for an apology.

And his channel being used to promote other, smaller streamers seems like a good thing: It's spreading the wealth around.
There was a big backlash when Twitch promoted Ninja on other channels with them eventually having to release an apology, so I don't see why the community would be ok with this outside of the people that just hate Ninja.

Also, I don't see what Ninja "slipping up" has to do with Twitch recommending porn and being overall petty.

So someone who has money has no right to have opinions?
I've noticed that a number of people have this stance towards anyone that has money when it comes to certain things no matter who they are or what the situation is.
 

Taffy Lewis

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Oct 27, 2017
1,527
There was a big backlash when Twitch promoted Ninja on other channels with them eventually having to release an apology, so I don't see why the community would be ok with this outside of the people that just hate Ninja.

The community not realizing that Ninja trying to "pull up the rope" is a bad thing doesn't mean promoting other streamers on his former page is a bad thing for the platform as a whole.

Also, they're still doing it. I didn't see this apology.
 

Hucast

alt account
Banned
Mar 25, 2019
3,598
Considering he had to ineffectually post a video about it on Twitter instead of changing anything: Apparently, yes.



It means them complaining about trivialities is seen in a different context. They have the right, we have the right to disregard it.
Just because someone has a lot doesnt mean it is more justified to discriminate them. Kind of nasty way of viewing things which honestly discredits every stance you have in this. Guess it helps ignoring.
 

Hucast

alt account
Banned
Mar 25, 2019
3,598
There was a big backlash when Twitch promoted Ninja on other channels with them eventually having to release an apology, so I don't see why the community would be ok with this outside of the people that just hate Ninja.

Also, I don't see what Ninja "slipping up" has to do with Twitch recommending porn and being overall petty.


I've noticed that a number of people have this stance towards anyone that has money when it comes to certain things no matter who they are or what the situation is.
Jealousy is one hell of a disturbing emotion.
 

Tovarisc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,392
FIN
Considering he had to ineffectually post a video about it on Twitter instead of changing anything: Apparently, yes.
Well, that's not Ninja's page.

What controls user has can't override supermod done hard changes like this. Equivalent would be you being able to remove ban from yourself on ERA if Ninja was able to remove such fundamental and deep level changes to how Twitch's website works for his channel.

His channel hard pulls Fortnite library and promotes every stream in it. That porn stream was top stream there => Ninja's channel was used to promote porn => Channel that is largely followed by pre-teens and teens. Just because Slasher didn't take screenshot from page you would prefer doesn't change how Ninja's page currently works.

But I think we both know angle you are going for here so facts and such don't weight that much.
 

SuikerBrood

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Jan 21, 2018
15,487
Come on Taffy Lewis I understand you hate Ninja, but this is common sense. He has built a teen brand these last couple of months/years. Toned down on the swearing, really adjusted his way of streaming. And now Twitch shows porn on his branded page.

How can you not understand this is not okay and Ninja has every right to complain? Wtf.
 

Armadilo

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,877
Come on Taffy Lewis I understand you hate Ninja, but this is common sense. He has built a teen brand these last couple of months/years. Toned down on the swearing, really adjusted his way of streaming. And now Twitch shows porn on his branded page.

How can you not understand this is not okay and Ninja has every right to complain? Wtf.
Farher: So son let's watch Ninja, I heard about him in an article

Son: ok

Father: alright and let's see [he then see's ninjas channel direct him to top Fortnite streams and porn is the top broadcast]

Wtf Ninja, son you aren't allowed to see Ninja anymore