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Ninja Theory sets a new benchmark in video game animation
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Yep, I was surprised by how rhythmic the combat is. Kinda wished they added a survival mode or something.The actual combat animations are really good when you get the rhythm of battles.
No, it's not. This is a great showcase but in no shape or form reflective of the end product. This polished up trailer basically says nothing about the actual game. It's more akin to an in-engine music video that is there to sell the atmosphere and tone of the game. I don't even think that even one scene will make it 1:1 into the game.
Actually, there's quite a few attacks and combo mechanics that are never really explained by the game, and if you play around enough, you get a feel for it. It's not as shallow as people think by any means but you do have to go out of your way to experiment to see what the game is really capable of on that front.
The tech is always there, but yeah this TRAILER does looks pretty impressive.
Putting emphasis on the word trailer cause people just don't fucking learn, we've seen this shit countless times.
Remember that real time Uncharted 4 rendering which claimed to be running on a actual PS4 in 60fps? It never fucking happened.
Honestly sick of all these ''THIS studio sets a new record/benchmark/standard in animation & graphics!!!'' threads when the game isn't even out.
Not thread whining of course, I get it, people are excited about what they see, but can't we at least wait until launch to see if the tech actually made it before we even celebrate?
So much Uncharted 4 & Last of Us 2 tech threads and now Hellblade 2....and then when you mention UC4 people either dismiss or try to justify it.
Putting emphasis on the word trailer cause people just don't fucking learn, we've seen this shit countless times.
Remember that real time Uncharted 4 rendering which claimed to be running on a actual PS4 in 60fps? It never fucking happened.
Honestly sick of all these ''THIS studio sets a new record/benchmark/standard in animation & graphics!!!'' threads when the game isn't even out.
Not thread whining of course, I get it, people are excited about what they see, but can't we at least wait until launch to see if the tech actually made it before we even celebrate?
So much Uncharted 4 & Last of Us 2 tech threads and now Hellblade 2....and then when you mention UC4 people either dismiss or try to justify it.
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It's a trailer. A great trailer, though, but just a trailer. Let's revisit this thread once we see actual gameplay.
Hell look at The Division, Watch Dogs or even Deep Down (lol)Daily Reminder:
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Ninja Theory aint Naughty Dog tho.Daily Reminder:
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That part still wowed me tho. Played on the Pro.Daily Reminder:
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It doesn't matter.
If a game isn't out, we shouldn't be praising its technological achievement. Cause it didn't actually achieved anything yet.
I agree with your title though, the animation shown in the trailer is very impressive. Hopefully the actual game looks like that.
Whether any of those scenes make it into the game is irrelevant, and you've touched upon that yourself by saying it's meant to sell atmosphere and tone, which is about what you might expect of an introduction. We're getting a look at how the game should look during cutscenes (hence "in-engine"), as well as what to expect from next gen as a comparison to the current gen, and, in addition, NT made it pretty clear that Heilung's music would play a big part of the game's soundtrack. It was a good trailer for both the game and the platfrom.
Hope they can meet this standard because it's the best video game animation I've ever seen by far. Utterly jaw dropping.
The question is whether this trailer will reflect the actual game, because it's in-engine/realtime. And I don't think it will. Cutscenes or not. At least nothing points to it because we haven't seen anything from the game yet. The scenes are completely artificial, custom made for the trailer years before the game actually comes out.
This does nothing but sell the tone, which it does it well.
I think it's more of a case of these folks don't think the final game will look nearly that good. There's one thing you must remember is that Naughty Dog fans this gen have already experienced first hand whan an in-engine teaser to an upcoming game looks like and what downgrades happen when its implemented in the final game, and what concessions are made.
You mention "trailer" and that's the thing - we don't know the parameters of how this video was produced or if it will 100% represent what to expect from the final cut of the game or the next generation in general. Naughty Dog is one of the studios known for their industry leading animation, and The Last of Us Part II initially had heads of other studios questioning the authenticity of its animation work in a demo scenario and some other people figuring out just how they could achieve what we've seen from them. Their work is that impressive, so don't be surprised if people apply the same doubt to yet another in-engine teaser.
Yup! I used this example a few pages back. Don't stand there and believe everything you're being sold about visuals and animation, especially on the cusp of a new generation.Daily Reminder:
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Why do developers outside of Sony also put Naughty Dog on a pedestal then when it comes to real time graphics and animation? Why do we see heads of studios attempting to dispute the authenticity of Naughty Dog's work, and not the work of other studios like Capcom, The Coalition, Ninja Theory, Quantic Dream, NetherRealm or KojiPro? This is not the time to attempt to dismiss Naughty Dog as "just really, really good" about six months before they release another game that will have developers outside of Sony and sites like Digital Foundry saying things like "setting benchmarks" with actual results to base it off and not just an in-engine teaser, and imagining "what could they do with no baseline other than next-gen hardware".
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Naughty Dog isn't Ninja Theory.Daily Reminder:
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And this DID happen:
I think it's safe to say that in-game, some of these assets will not be present in the capacity that this trailer presents them, since there is nothing being calculated here other than visuals. But given the likely specs of the XSEX and Ninja Theory's proven ability to deliver amazing visuals, it's also safe to say that this is not far off from what the end result will be in-game.
I hate to repeat already-said points, but look at what NT achieved with the first HB game. Or with HS. They are REALLY good at this, and that's probably why their trailer was chosen to showcase the new Xbox.
I hate to repeat already-said points, but look at what NT achieved with the first HB game. Or with HS. They are REALLY good at this, and that's probably why their trailer was chosen to showcase the new Xbox.
Naughty Dog isn't Ninja Theory.
And this DID happen:
You missed my point, it's not about studio or their record.
It's about the game not even being released. The reason why you can use Hellblade 1 as an example is because the game IS out, but Hellblade 2 isn't.
The "point" is you can use Hellblade 1's trailers and see that the final product matched (and exceeded it!) in the end. The game that was released was everything the trailers were and MORE.
Same for Enslaved: Odyssey to the West. And Heavenly Sword.
You can use all the games in their library - and compare their reveal trailers to their final products - and accurately assess a pattern of their promises and fulfillment.
Mad respect to Ninja Theory but you can not use the past to predict the future, it's not guarantee.
Yeah be ready for downgrade "real time" engine... I remember The division, not only for the rendering but also animation, like Days Gone.
Nobody can predict the future, but patterns do exist. There is never a guarantee, but for that same reason it's equally valid to say that there's no valid evidence that Ninja Theory won't deliver. They aren't Ubisoft, who also has a pattern of falsely demonstrating what their games are capable of.
We can judge them based on their past and make an educated guess at how they'll handle things. When this trailer came out, you had people in this thread claiming the video was live action (it isn't), claiming it was just a CG trailer (it isn't), claiming it was pre-rendered (it isn't), and saying it wasn't running in real-time (it is).
So... yeah, time will reveal all, but we make guesses and predictions based on the evidence we DO have. If the game is further revealed and suddenly lacking in visual fidelity, we can adjust expectations accordingly, but until that happens - and based on decades of the studio's documented history and widely open philosophy of game creation and technology sharing - it's pretty valid to feel they can pull off what their trailer has done in real-time for the completed game.
Don't get me wrong, I am impressed by the visuals in display here. What doesn't impress me is people trying to downplay NT.
But it's the best this technique has ever looked, IMO.
Given their pedigree, it's not surprising that they could pull off something like this. They've always been at the top of the animation game
Different engine, and different way they did the models. Ninja uses 100% of the facial performance capture, which is why the trailer looks so amazing.
NT has always been a solid studio for short experience such as Heavenly Sword, Enslaved and Hellblade. But when it comes to execution that's where they fall behind and why they are stuck as 8/10 studio on a scale. It takes more than beautiful animation and visuals to hook me and others to start pay attention to this studio.
That seems like bias more than anything. Nothing in the the market matches this video ATM. DS technically doesn't even look as good as the original reveal trailer when you compare that scene to the final game and how the complexity of Notman Teedus's model was reduced.
the second gif gives me big uncanny vibes, even more if you watch it frame by frame
They are near the top for me.. but Naugthy Dog is the best animations studio if we count in engine and gameplay sequences
I think they key here is that we don't know how next gen games looks like and in the end the trailer is just a video clip with not clear indication on what's the game like, you have to just asume it'll play just like the first one.
But as you said, their games always looked like their trailers.
I think it looks incredible but personally I feel less excited about it because to me that was just a song clip, are we going to see that clip in the game? I wouldn't be surprised but I feel like this was made just for the announcement.
Also I don't think Hellblade needed a straight sequel but we'll see what they'll tell.
Naughty Dog is going to do amazing stuff next gen, but until we see that this is better than anything they have currently released. Technically it just is.
To be honest it looked like just real footage for the face close ups.
Didn't they do that often in the first Hellblade. Just use real footage with heavy post processing.
Didn't they do that often in the first Hellblade. Just use real footage with heavy post processing.
Reminds me what Luminous Productions showed off for next gen with face close ups how it will look like on next gen hardware.