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Nintendo 2nd Quarter Results FY3/2018 - Switch 7.63M units LTD
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Their first annual loss was in 2012. The rest were operating losses, not negative net income for the term.
XB1 would virtually have to stop selling, though. I'm happy all three systems are doing well.
Well that's something I forgot to consider when pointing out that you can't use both values combined but ultimately you're focusing too much on the literal simplistic meaning and not seeing the underlying meaning. More console sales translates into more sales of ....
You assume too much that we are thinking of hardware being the only thing that matters. The hardware sales is the strongest indicator of what's the ceiling for everything else.
Noice! It makes me happy to see both Nintendo and Sony doing so well as we need both alive and well to keep the single player and Japanese games coming
Sure, I didn't mean to imply that hardware sales are not important. They mean a lot in terms of the financial potential of the platform. But the combined number of Wii U and 3DS isn't a helpful metric, and I've seen more than one post setting this as a "make or break" goal that Switch has to achieve.
Man I feel like next years is even going to be a better year for them. Considering they are making new games maybe even new IP's for the switch.
And you're right. Hardware sales are not the correct metric here. The 3DS sold 70 million to date but the software numbers arent really that strong at all. Wii U was an even bigger disaster. Not only did the hardware not sell, the users who bought the system really didnt buy that much games for it at all.
I agree.
After the Wii U first year, when PS4 and Xbox One were set to launch, one of the more popular radioshows here in Holland were discussing videogames and being hyped for PS4. During the conversation one of the DJ's asks when Nintendo will release a new system. The Wii was Nice, but they wanted a new system with a new Mario. Hopefully they will announce something soon were the exact words used. At that point the Wii U was out for a year.
Its almost baffeling to see how Nintendo presented the Switch to the public compared to the Wii U. Almost Insane.
What's your source on this? 68.98M/343.07M ratio for the 3DS vs. 13.56M/100.85M for the Wii U suggests that the Wii U had a higher attach rate than the 3DS.
Source:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
Traditionally consoles have better attach rates. See DS compared to Wii. DS had a 150 million shipment yet had around the same software sales as the Wii, which shipped 100 million. Wii U has a lower attach rate than the Wii as well. Switch is behaving more like a console, although its too early to tell where it will end eventually. I think it will surpass the Wii.
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I've got graphs now.
The following except for the last graph are YoY comparisons for the quarter.
YoY comparison of the quarter. You can barely see Nintendo's operating income last FY.
Geographical Sales breakdown, this is one of the graphs that separates Europe from Other:
Sales breakdown by category:
Geographical breakdown of Nintendo Switch sales specifically, as mentioned it separates Europe from Other:
The following except for the last graph are YoY comparisons for the quarter.
YoY comparison of the quarter. You can barely see Nintendo's operating income last FY.
Geographical Sales breakdown, this is one of the graphs that separates Europe from Other:
Sales breakdown by category:
Geographical breakdown of Nintendo Switch sales specifically, as mentioned it separates Europe from Other:
Microsoft doesn't share numbers, but I would bet on the Switch outselling it.
That software sales forecast is quite the difference. Even the original 35 mil was high was it not?
The wii u original software sales target up to March 31st 2013 was 24 million. How they came up with that figure I don't know considering the line up was so barren.
The wii u original software sales target up to March 31st 2013 was 24 million. How they came up with that figure I don't know considering the line up was so barren.
I've got graphs now.
The following except for the last graph are YoY comparisons for the quarter.
Geographical breakdown of Nintendo Switch sales specifically, as mentioned it separates Europe from Other:
This graph is especially interesting, since the stock/supply situation in Europe has been suggesting relatively low demand compared to Japan and the Americas, but the revenue figures seem a lot higher than that would suggest. This graph includes software and hardware numbers right? I wonder if the relatively higher prices in some of those regions affect that.
Home consoles. Sorry I didn't specify. I know they did a Wii Mini at the end of life cycle, but this might be different with the Switch being a hybrid. I know the NES and SNES got revisions, but that was at the very tail end of the generation and really no huge improvements. Then the GC saw one and removed an AV port from the back of the console. Wii got one, but it was a small and stripped down version, again at the end.
Maybe there is hope with the Switch since it is half handheld, half home console.
I think Nintendo has always been a little weaker in Europe compared to sony/msft but it's extra popularity in Japan makes up for it
What I meant was that the anecdotal reports (and UK software charts) seemed to suggest that their Europe sales would probably be the weakest of the major regions, but this chart shows them ahead of Japan even, which is surprising. At least to me.
Guys I think that it is hard to talk about Europe like that. There are several countries there with big cultural differences that translate into video games sales.
In Spain, the Switch has become the best-selling console ever at launch with 45k Switch sold in 3 days, Xbox is very weak there:
http://bgr.com/2017/03/11/nintendo-switch-sales-recording-breaking-spain/
In France, the Switch is already above 400k and Nintendo France is aiming to reach 800k before year's end. That would put it on Wii's very pace. Xbox 1 took time to beat the WiiU, that is a testimony of Nintendo's strenght in France. France is very found of Japanese culture and it is the 2nd country for the Manga industry for instance.
In Germany, Switch has already more 200k sellers than the Xbox.
In the UK, it sold 300k and is tracking ahead of the Xbox but fairly behind the PS4.
What I am trying to say here is that Europe is not a country like the USA or Japan. It is way more heterogeneous. The Playstation brand is strong everywhere in Europe but Nintendo is very strong too especially in Southern Europe. The Xbox is strong in Nothern Europe but way weaker in Southern Europe.
In Spain, the Switch has become the best-selling console ever at launch with 45k Switch sold in 3 days, Xbox is very weak there:
http://bgr.com/2017/03/11/nintendo-switch-sales-recording-breaking-spain/
In France, the Switch is already above 400k and Nintendo France is aiming to reach 800k before year's end. That would put it on Wii's very pace. Xbox 1 took time to beat the WiiU, that is a testimony of Nintendo's strenght in France. France is very found of Japanese culture and it is the 2nd country for the Manga industry for instance.
In Germany, Switch has already more 200k sellers than the Xbox.
In the UK, it sold 300k and is tracking ahead of the Xbox but fairly behind the PS4.
What I am trying to say here is that Europe is not a country like the USA or Japan. It is way more heterogeneous. The Playstation brand is strong everywhere in Europe but Nintendo is very strong too especially in Southern Europe. The Xbox is strong in Nothern Europe but way weaker in Southern Europe.
Damn, nice. The holidays are going to be wild, but for now they've done really well selling the console and its games…in large part because they've made good hardware and games.
I feel like Japan probably has a lower average software attach rate than other markets
The release schedule for 2017 has been VERY well thought out, from when to announce things, what to show and most importantly what games and at what pace to release.
You would think 2018 show be most the same, whick is an exciting prospect.
Looks like FT was right:
https://www.ft.com/content/7edcebea-4207-11e7-82b6-896b95f30f58
"People involved in Nintendo's hardware supply chain say the Kyoto-based games maker is now targeting Switch hardware production of 18m units for the 12 months ending March 2018."
14m updated projection, 18m target makes sense.
https://www.ft.com/content/7edcebea-4207-11e7-82b6-896b95f30f58
"People involved in Nintendo's hardware supply chain say the Kyoto-based games maker is now targeting Switch hardware production of 18m units for the 12 months ending March 2018."
14m updated projection, 18m target makes sense.
I've got graphs now.
Geographical Sales breakdown, this is one of the graphs that separates Europe from Other:
Geographical breakdown of Nintendo Switch sales specifically, as mentioned it separates Europe from Other:
It is really weird that the Switch revenue in Europe + Other is only 18% higher than Japan this Quarter, when they sold 20% more Switches and 89%(!) more software in Europe + Other. Especially as the console itself is quite a bit cheaper in Japan than in most other countries
Will outsell it soon enough, Xbox lacks WW appeal like Nintendo, i mean every mom knows Mario and Pokemon.
Listen to this guy.
Thanks for this, from outside people tend to treat Europe like one big country XD
All these great Nintendo financials make my portfolio very happy, even as my wallet's crying from all the Switch games.
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Not forecast. It was manufacturing, manufacturing numbers is not equal to shipment forecasts.
About people talking about switch numbers vs 3DS + Wii U numbers:
You also need to remember Nintendo is now on smartphones as well which wasn't a factor a couple of years ago.
You also need to remember Nintendo is now on smartphones as well which wasn't a factor a couple of years ago.
I do wonder if we might see a Mario Kart from the ground up for Switch, albeit probably a few years off.
They could always release late into the Switch's life, and then rerelease early onto the next console cycle. It worked for them. As well as dual platforms for Zelda worked for TP and BOTW, tho both examples also were helped by the relative closeness of the graphic power of the respective consoles. If the Switch successor is a solid jump, one of these strategies may not be that good an idea.
Threw together a chart of the Wii U and Switch's third party retail games (excluding JP) for people to have a look at. Both are in roughly 7 months from launch. Didn't make a new thread because it's not exactly news.
Edit: after like a billion updates i THINK i have them all
no it's not intentional that the wii u version is 4 and the switch is 3. i wasn't reformatting the image after realizing i left off 20+ switch games
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Yes I agree :) and I think that's the whole point: focusing on a single platform in order to release much more games on it to make it so much attractive that it will beat combined hardware sales and eventually software sales too than what they did in the previous gen. That's the plan I guess and imo Switch could only be considered a success if it ends up this way. Otherwise we could easily argue that they maybe shouldn't have merged those two businesses in one like that...
That can't be an exhaustive list. Even with JP, that's extremely low for selling ~12m units of third party software. Wasn't the number for Europe posted earlier in this thread, and it was somewhere around 40 games?
If you're able to find more, please tell me so I can add it. I'm sure I'm missing some. Got heads up on shovelware on Twitter so I added 'em
Missing a bunch of stuff:
Super Bomberman R
NBA 2K18
Nights of Azure 2
Sine Mora Ex
Poi: Explorer Edition
Rayman Legends Definitive Edition
Tiny Barbarian DX
88 heroes:. 98 heroes Edition
Touhou Kobuto V
Puyo Puyo Tetris
Thought of More:
Resident Evil Revelations Collection
Rime
Just Dance 2018
Skylanders Imaginaters
Sonic Forces
Ittle Dew2+
Superbeat Xonic
Pokken Tournament DX (since you are including Fire Emblem Warriors)
These are all releases through November, might still be forgetting some.
Also 1 more I just thought of, Lumo comes out in November. Also WWE 2k18 is a Fall release so it likely comes out in November.