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Nintendo 64 Online App's problems (input lag, controller layout) angering Expansion Pass customers.
- Thread starter HustleBun
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Wow. Sin and Punishment is almost unplayable. The input lag is dreadful (tried both handheld and my TV), and the only control scheme that seems to work consistently is using Type 1 with the D-Pad and right stick.
The C-Buttons appear to be bugged as well - If you try to use the C-button assigned to the X button to move, and you're holding down ZR to fire, then it doesn't work. I tried this on two different controllers just to confirm that this isn't a controller issue.
The C-Buttons appear to be bugged as well - If you try to use the C-button assigned to the X button to move, and you're holding down ZR to fire, then it doesn't work. I tried this on two different controllers just to confirm that this isn't a controller issue.
This is meant to give you the nostalgic feeling of gathering on a friend's couch and being stuck w/the broken 3rd-party controller.
It's 2021. People outside of maybe a handful of complainers on internet forums don't use ethernet en masse and if your solution doesn't work on WiFi , especially on a handheld device! You need to redo it.
Especially humorous in a thread where the first page has a bunch of people either unaware or unwilling to use the system level button remapping, like that's some collosal effort but also everyone should be using ethernet
They put the nearest buttons on the N64 pad to the nearest buttons to A/B. Makes sense. What are you people suggesting they do otherwise, just not map anything to those two buttons?
He specifically talks about there being no perceptible input lag on the Wii, which is what I was talking about. Also, he says Mario isn't as touchy with a GC controller compared with a Wii VC controller, which makes me think the controllers themselves are part of the culprit. Regardless, this is far preferable to me than I put lag, especially when there is probably a Raphnet adapter available. I wouldn't play N64 on WiiU.
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This video goes into a lot of the differences between Nintendo's N64 emulators, the part about bad controls on Wii and Wii U starts about 25 minutes in.
Other examples where the sensitivity is bad is when you're aiming arrows in Zelda (the shooting gallery is almost unbeatable on Wii U) or aiming the guns in first-person mode in Donkey Kong 64.
I called this only a few hours earlier, in the GamePass for PC thread that's basically revolving around the same main gripe - that discussion is peppered with people wondering how things could go so wrong for so many people, yet it persists.
I wonder which set of angry customers will get what they want first.
I wonder which set of angry customers will get what they want first.
Guessing that's because holding ZR changes X from C-right to C-up.
It's not that it's bugged, it's working as "intended". Holding ZR works as a shift so that the face buttons work as if they were the C-buttons (so Y and A move you instead of Y and X). Why they chose to have both ZL and ZR function as Z in Sin & Punishment but kept that shift functionality is definitely weird.
Can't comment on the other issues, but that controller layout seems perfectly fine to me? Obviously the option to remap would be nice for anyone who disagrees, but... A and B aren't actually fully reversed, only vertically A is now higher than B. Placing A on down and B on right would still be reversing them, just horizontally instead of vertically... and wouldn't match the placement of A/B on the rest of Nintendo's controllers. The C-pad down and right being assigned to up and left might sound insane on paper but obviously you're meant to primarily use the thumbstick for the C-pad and those mappings are more for convenience in case a game uses those buttons as if they were X/Y buttons due to their proximity to the A/B buttons.
I remember they fixed the PAL Wii U release of F-Zero X, so I guess they could fix the re map issue and maybe reduce the imput lag, but sadly the emulator itself seems to be very bad so they can't do magic either.
Whelp I'm glad I didn't buy into the hype. I already have multiple ways to play these games anyway but I'd like to have had them on the Switch as well. Hopefully they fix it, it's surprising cause NERD has been super good about emulation in the past.
Guessing that's because holding ZR changes X from C-right to C-up.
That explains a lot. It's stupid as hell, but explains a lot.
WinBack controls fine, but the C-Buttons assigned to the D-Pad are a bit useless. One of them is Lock On and the other turns the camera left. Luckily you can use the right analog stick without issue.
Why not just use the right stick for the C-Buttons? Or even better, make the whole stuff configurable? People have been emulating N64 games in all kinds of settings for 25 years , how can you get this so wrong?
Is Sin & Punishment just different where the X and Y buttons function as left and right C buttons rather than down and left?
Take a closer look at that screenshot
Yes, because you use left and right C to move.
Right stick does do the C buttons, but I agree it needs to be configurable. Best you can get is remapping buttons in the Switch system settings.
On second thought, I don't think I'm really missing anything by not getting this subscription. Fucking yikes. Between the emulation issues and weird-ass control layout (add remappable controls ffs), this is an easy "nah" from me.
Yeah fuck that I was already leaning no anyway but I'll just keep playing my own ripped copies on my PC which have 0 issues.
On the flip side I had a terrible online experience trying to play SNES games with my girlfriend in the same room and on the same router. At very least there's a wild lack of consistency. :(
I was using the d-pad to strafe. Right stick to aim. Right trigger to shoot. Left bumper to jump. Felt natural aside from the jumping.
Won't be touching this at all, can play these games perfectly on my phone for example, what a joke Nintendo.
Check out my screenshot above. The right stick being mapped to analogue is also different.
Wow, okay. I thought everything looked a lot clearer and brighter. Aside from input and glitches, I'm really bummed there aren't any CRT filter options. It would do a lot to unify the sharp models and blurry textures.
finally had a chance to try mario 64 and zelda. dont know about glitches and stuff since I didnt play long, but for mario at least the input lag is borderline unnoticable. and I mean literally I can't notice it at all, it feels great. Zelda feels a bit more sluggish but the entire game is like 20fps, plays just like I remember it though Lmao. I do hope nintendo does prep some fixes and patches if possible for all the stuff being pointed out
I have noticed any input or audio lag yet, but damn I wish I could remap the buttons.
I know you can do it on the system settings, but that shouldn't be the only option.
I know you can do it on the system settings, but that shouldn't be the only option.
Pity, the N64 library is pretty shitty as is but was curious to try some. Now it'd be either Musha or save cash.
Why is the C-Pad not just mapped to the right stick like the equivalent layout on literally every single controller released since? Hell, it was straight up called the C-Stick on GCN.
You should never ever be forced to use system-wide remapping for a single game or application.
This is legit infuriating. Great emulation websites like emuparadise with working ISO's get shut down and years later Nintendo charges $50 for a broken, lagging version of one. Ridiculous.
yeah i haven't noticed any input lag myself in my time with Star Fox, OOT, and SM64 but i do agree that the display and control issues are really disappointing, especially if this is NERD's work. they're usually better than this!
It is in most games. Check the line from C to the stick in the OP. That's for SM64.
edit: Actually, every game except for S&P.
Some of the takes in here like always fucking headache inducing. You don't need a fucking "stable", connection to play a Nintendo 64 game, the game is fucking ancient and doesn't require even 1 mega of bandwidth you don't need the nasa connection. This is just laughable for real.
if Nintendo wanted to do this shit right from the beginning the game will ping the server key the server and the software will run form the hardware.
but Nintendo is gonna Nintendo and people will keep defending them no matter what they do.
if Nintendo wanted to do this shit right from the beginning the game will ping the server key the server and the software will run form the hardware.
but Nintendo is gonna Nintendo and people will keep defending them no matter what they do.
Latency is really bad in Star Fox 64 as well. I didn't notice the latency in Super Mario 64, but I immediately noticed it in Star Fox because I've put hundreds of hours into the game between the N64 and 3DS versions.
Also baffling why they chose to make ZL be Z, and R be R. As now you have Arwing controls on two different shoulder buttons.
I also noticed graphical glitches in the opening to the first stage. Saw some lines pop up very briefly.
Also baffling why they chose to make ZL be Z, and R be R. As now you have Arwing controls on two different shoulder buttons.
I also noticed graphical glitches in the opening to the first stage. Saw some lines pop up very briefly.
To be fair, any potential button layout for N64 games on a standard controller sucks.
The N64 controller is the only real way to play these.
Shame about the emulation though, very less than ideal for a premium price.
The N64 controller is the only real way to play these.
Shame about the emulation though, very less than ideal for a premium price.
This is so fucking stupid. And the fact that they're locking N64 games behind a subscription model instead of just bringing back virtual console makes this even worse. $50 - $80 down the drain for something the Wii U's eshop and built in N64 emulator did infinitely better.