Nintendo/Bamco cropped their own sprite out of a fan sprite sheet for a spirit in SSBU; contains a few pixels of fanmade content from the poor crop

Atheerios · Dec 12, 2018

Deviantart image:

So in this Deviantart image there are three sprites. The left and right ones are sprites created by Nintendo but the middle one is a fanart. However, it was discovered that the spirit sprite was based on this image, lazily cropped and they hid the a section of the fan sprite with the alpha channel (made the pixels transparent).

Very interesting...

unicornKnight · Dec 12, 2018

~~I'm pretty sure they messed up by mistake, will probably update if they take notice.~~

Nevermind, misread, OP messed up lol. Nothing to see here, other than desperate attempt to create controversy.

catboy · Dec 12, 2018

sn00zer · Dec 12, 2018

I'm confused... How don't his matter at all if the final sprite is from Nintendo

Philly Cheesesteak · Dec 12, 2018

In before "Well other studios do it too!"

Rotobit · Dec 12, 2018

I mean, the sprite on the right was their's to begin with, and it kinda makes sense they wouldn't have the original sources on hand for every single image used. It's a bit awkward but I wouldn't say it's some shocking revelation

I imagine pretty much every Spirit from games that were released more than 10 years ago were pulled from fan wikis and Google Image search. It's just convenient and it's Nintendo's copyrighted material in the first place.

ChewbieFR · Dec 12, 2018

Hmm.. So if the right image is Nintendo's, your title is misleading right?

Deleted member 2791 · Dec 12, 2018

...I don't get the issue. The spirit in game is still the one they own, right ?

That's one hell of a misleading title.

Deleted member 300 · Dec 12, 2018

Already with im sure it was a mistake or they dont have the files.

Its hilarious they couldn't crop properly

Forkball · Dec 12, 2018

This seems like an IGN Okami type goof. I wonder how well preserved some game assets truly are.

Yukinari · Dec 12, 2018

This isnt as much of an issue as say sega using sonic underground deviantart drawings in the wii version of sega all stars racing as placeholder art.

Kouriozan · Dec 12, 2018

The base material is still Nintendo's property so I don't see the issue.

Deleted member 10737 · Dec 12, 2018

seems like something they'll fix in an update. a small fuckup.

Adulfzen · Dec 12, 2018

Misleading title tbh, I thought they were using a sprite someone else made from scratch. Getting the original sprite from the internet doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

z0m3le · Dec 12, 2018

bad title.

ggx2ac · Dec 12, 2018

Thread title: Nintendo/Banco used someone else's sprites...

OP: Sprite used is actually from Nintendo and not the fan made one.

So technically they're using the sprite that belongs to them that the fan used...

Edit: and now the thread title changed that it isn't as scandalous.

Dreamboum · Dec 12, 2018

So they didn't use someone else's sprite

Kingpin722 · Dec 12, 2018

Not playing Smash anymore until they fix this. That'll show these thieves.

ArchedThunder · Dec 12, 2018

The one you can see in game is Nintendo's and the tiny bit that isn't theirs isn't visible in game.

JSG87 · Dec 12, 2018

Considering the sprite used is theirs to begin with its not a problem at all.

Baladium · Dec 12, 2018

Who needs an official in-house archive when you can just rely on the Internet to provide assets for your multi-million selling game, amirite? Reminds me of this: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...o-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

Sure, in both cases Nintendo owns the source material, but it just comes off as really lazy.

EDIT:

Robin64 said:
You should read the followup to that.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/to...rom-headers-into-vc-updated-dec-1-2018.64755/

Ikouros · Dec 12, 2018

This is... not a big deal in the slightest. The thread title is also wrong/overly dramatic.

Deleted member 2791 · Dec 12, 2018

Baladium said:
Who needs an official in-house archive when you can just rely on the Internet to provide assets for your multi-million selling game, amirite? Reminds me of this: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...o-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

This was proven false. Nintendo did not sell ROM they got on the internet.

Fifstar · Dec 12, 2018

Forkball said:
This seems like an IGN Okami type goof. I wonder how well preserved some game assets truly are.

Maybe it's not a question of preservation and more due to google image search being much easier to use than an internal search for assets of an old game, especially if the person in charge didnt work on those old games.

Robin64 · Dec 12, 2018

Baladium said:
Who needs an official in-house archive when you can just rely on the Internet to provide assets for your multi-million selling game, amirite? Reminds me of this: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...o-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

You should read the followup to that.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/to...rom-headers-into-vc-updated-dec-1-2018.64755/

@dedmunk · Dec 12, 2018

time for another nintendo beat up thread on era I see lmao

Bjones · Dec 12, 2018

It's their sprite just some one else's image of it?

Majukun · Dec 12, 2018

it's more like they used an unofficial source more than "someone else's sprite", since the not created by nintendo one is the one in the middle, or at least that's what i understood from the whole thing.

not really that big of an issue..just a dev getting e little lazy and cropping it from the internet instead of taking it from the source.

Adam_Roman · Dec 12, 2018

I don't see them patching this because it's hidden with the alpha channel already. Yeah they could've ripped the Sprite themselves but I'm not surprised they didn't.

mindatlarge · Dec 12, 2018

eyedropper, paintbrush...there, all fixed!

psychowave · Dec 12, 2018

even if they've lost the assets, they couldn't at least emulate the game and crop the sprite themselves?

Philly Cheesesteak · Dec 12, 2018

ArchedThunder said:
The one you can see in game is Nintendo's and the tiny bit that isn't theirs isn't visible in game.

Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

@dedmunk · Dec 12, 2018

Baladium said:
Who needs an official in-house archive when you can just rely on the Internet to provide assets for your multi-million selling game, amirite? Reminds me of this: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...o-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

lmao you're wrong. I'm gonna love responding to this every time it's bought up.

Deleted member 10737 · Dec 12, 2018

the new title is much better, the previous one made it seem like nintendo straight up stole someone's work.

Philly Cheesesteak said:
In before "Well other studios do it too!"

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

try harder sis

ArchedThunder said:
The one you can see in game is Nintendo's and the tiny bit that isn't theirs isn't visible in game.

that's all there is to this, basically. and even that i'm sure they'll fix to not be there at all, visible or invisible.

@dedmunk · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

inorite, the fact that a few pixels of that sprites helmet is in the image even though it's covered up is an outrage

ggx2ac · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

So the point is that it's not a big deal. They're using what's theirs, they own it.

CaviarMeths · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

Sorry that the controversy here didn't shake out the way you were hoping. Don't worry, I'm sure Nintendo will fuck up for real some time soon.

TripaSeca · Dec 12, 2018

If I were that fan..... I'd, I'd.... Actually do nothing cause there's nothing he can do.

Deleted member 8593 · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

Looks like the original sprite wasn't the only thing that used alpha channels.

Oniletter · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
In before "Well other studios do it too!"

I wish ERA was already around when Naughty Dog put Assassin's creed concept art in Uncharted 4. Your reaction would have been interesting to compare and contrast.

Philly Cheesesteak · Dec 12, 2018

seloth said:
inorite, the fact that a few pixels of that sprites helmet is in the image even though it's covered up is an outrage

The fact that you've already posted several times in here shouting people down tells me all I need to now about you arguing in good faith. Ignored.

ggx2ac said:
So the point is that it's not a big deal. They're using what's theirs, they own it.

I feel like people are being willfully obtuse. They still have the fanmade sprite in the game that was just covered up. No one is saying Nintendo needs to prostrate themselves to the world, but either acknowledgement or a fix needs to be made.

Deleted member 10737 · Dec 12, 2018

CaviarMeths said:
Sorry that the controversy here didn't shake out the way you were hoping. Don't worry, I'm sure Nintendo will fuck up for real some time soon.

right? i saw his avatar and then realized for like 10 seconds he must have been a very happy boy after reading the original thread title.

Ikouros · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

Or they just Google image searched the sprite, grabbed the first lossless result and cropped/alpha masked the image for a quick 1 minute job to feature content that is 100% their intellectual property.
And if by 'someone's art' you mean a whole 37 pixels you can't even see in game, then yeah.
Honestly where's the reason for outrage? This is mildly lazy at best.

-shadow- · Dec 12, 2018

So? The sprite actually used is their own and unless you start digging, no one would ever figure out. Also, is there a rip of the mural from Single Player?

Killyoh · Dec 12, 2018

Baladium said:
Who needs an official in-house archive when you can just rely on the Internet to provide assets for your multi-million selling game, amirite? Reminds me of this: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...o-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

Sure, in both cases Nintendo owns the source material, but it just comes off as really lazy.

The game is packed with hundreds and hundreds of high-resolution artworks, some very hard to find, I wouldn't call it "lazy", it's hard to retrieve all assets from tons of projects made by different studios, maybe they lost a lot of Mother 3's. That would explain why we still have no ports of the game :(

Deleted member 2791 · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
. They still have the fanmade sprite in the game

They have half of the left arm covered up in alpha effects to make it invisible of the sprite in the game*

Oniletter · Dec 12, 2018

CaviarMeths said:
Sorry that the controversy here didn't shake out the way you were hoping. Don't worry, I'm sure Nintendo will fuck up for real some time soon.

I genuinely have to wonder how many months he has left on this site. ERA has been much better at weeding out trolls than GAF. Dude's agenda is transparent as fuck.

Golvellius · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

Didn't this someone steal "their" art from Nintendo? It seems to me that it isn't someone's art, but Nintendo's art. I wonder if it's even legal that someone put this art into their Deviant Art gallery.

Adamska · Dec 12, 2018

This is a non-issue but quite the bizarre way to cut corners. I mean, why search your own resources when Google exists amirite?

Phellps · Dec 12, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Everyone who keeps saying "Well it's Nintendo's to begin with!" are missing the point. Instead of having their own sprite made, they went into someone's Deviantart gallery, found the sprite they wanted with the fanmade sprite next to it and cut the fanmade sprite out to put in Smash. It doesn't matter if it's theirs. They still have someone's art in the game that they covered up to use their own.

It has a small fraction of the fanmade sprite and, since it's not visible in the game at all, it's not used. There is no controversy here, the art is originally theirs.

Golvellius said:
Didn't this someone steal "their" art from Nintendo? It seems to me that it isn't someone's art, but Nintendo's art. I wonder if it's even legal that someone put this art into their Deviant Art gallery.

It isn't. Submissions that contain anything not made by the artist that isn't free use are at risk of being removed by the moderation team.

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