Yeah but you don't have to tell the matchmaking service that you're hacking.
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Nintendo bans some Splatoon 2 players who hacked in Octolings and used them online
- Thread starter Pablo Mesa
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Yeah but you don't have to tell the matchmaking service that you're hacking.
Don't muck up what's left of S1 please. I want to use actually good special weapons, please and thank you.
I personally support individual game bans, at least up until 3 strikes.
Console bans I am not a fan of since they can be shared among several people, but with enough infractions is makes sense.
Also, I prefer consistency. If you give someone a 5 year ban, don't convert it to lifetime around year 3 (VAC has done this in the past)
Console bans I am not a fan of since they can be shared among several people, but with enough infractions is makes sense.
Also, I prefer consistency. If you give someone a 5 year ban, don't convert it to lifetime around year 3 (VAC has done this in the past)
Loss of specialness due to unauthorized use of hairstyles doesn't get a terrible deal of sympathy from me. It's not really comparable to people who break the game by giving themselves a competitive advantage (overpowered weapons, invisibility, invincibility, wall hacks, aim bots, etc.) People putting them on the same level in this thread and reacting to with with a vindictive satisfaction comes off as really weird to me.
This is closer to piracy than cheating, there's no gameplay advantage here.
Just because it's cosmetic doesn't mean it won't break stuff. In the first Splatoon, this kind of hack could cause the game to crash on other people's systems.
Pretty much all online hacking carries some risk to the non-hacking players.
If they're not cheating I don't care, but making it easily detectable is you reap what you sow.
It was actually worse than that. Splatoon (and 2) keeps track of the last 7 players you were matched with, and they hang in your lobby - this is stored in your save data. If one of those players was an Octoling, the game would fail to load, repeatedly, until the Octoling data was gone. But the only way to do that was to wipe your entire save.
It shouldn't be as bad in 2 - Octolings are actually designed to be playable, after all - but hacking can indeed have unforeseen consequences on players other than you.
There are smart kids and stupid people out there so banning them from the hackd game only is enough punishment.
If they're a hacker. They aren't. It's recognition, effectively marketing. If it's someone using the hack. It's often teenagers, or pre-teens who purchase hacks for sites and then use them.
Sure but they still broke ToS. They still introduced unexpected variables into the game. (Take note of the people talking about issues caused in splatoon 1 in similiar cases) Which is a slippery slope. It's like saying "Oh well Tommy was only selling weed in the bathroom, it's not like it was Cocaine". Sure I get that it's obviously context based. But often these hackers as I stated above are looking to profit eventually, if you don't crack down. They will continue to take it further and further until the repercussions are severe enough.
This is very much indicative of my experiences back in the day with friends, when they used to mess around with Software/Firmware on the Xbox and then 360 later. Basically until severely punished, and the definition of that can vary. But until they basically got shut out of services rather completely they just kept going with it. They had pretty lucrative businesses hacking consoles, and then later doing some scripting and stuff. They all pretty much regret it now. But at the time, especially since nobody was really stopping them, they just kept testing/pushing the limits. A console ban, or game ban wouldn't deter them in the slightest.
https://www.wired.com/story/xbox-underground-videogame-hackers/
No these are not my friends, they were never than involved nor talented lol. But this kind of curiousity dive, then lucrative, status driven etc. Is pretty much the name of the game when it comes to hackers.
I don't think you choose what info you're sending to the matchmaking server, but the game at the least sends your weapons because that's used for grouping players, so a hacked weapon should be detectable if it has a sub or special that isn't valid
They seem to have followed a degree of severity vs. penalty.
The kid who had been quoted in this OP wasn't much more than an octoling script-kiddie of sorts, he's been barred from Splatoon but not anything else. (Its good to see he was also cognizant of his guilt and repercussions). This seems like the appropriate level of punishment.
Some other elements of the community who were making and using weapon mods? They've been blacklisted on the console level (I had made a comment earlier about their attempts and failure to 'undo' their bans as one could on 3DS/WiiU with NAND dumping). This seems warranted.
this is exactly why i have no sympathy for bringing hacks online in ANY fashion
people will try to keep pushing the limits, ruining it for everyone else in the process
i can only hope nintendo will start punishing hackers more severely
I'm actually surprised the poll results are so skewed towards banning the console entirely. I guess after thinking for a moment I kinda get it? Like, if someone is hacking octolings into their splatoon 2 matches then that pretty much confirms they've blown open their switch.
But on the other hand I feel that's a user's right, as long as they don't muck up more games. Which would lead me to lean towards single game bans.
But on the other OTHER hand that also means they're a hop, skip and a jump away from a system that could provide free games at some point in the near future with how fast the switch has been cracked.
I guess the strongest argument for a console ban that I can see is that these hacks can hurt other users no matter how benign, so those things shouldn't be brought into an online game ever and a zero-tolerance policy feels fair.
But on the other hand I feel that's a user's right, as long as they don't muck up more games. Which would lead me to lean towards single game bans.
But on the other OTHER hand that also means they're a hop, skip and a jump away from a system that could provide free games at some point in the near future with how fast the switch has been cracked.
I guess the strongest argument for a console ban that I can see is that these hacks can hurt other users no matter how benign, so those things shouldn't be brought into an online game ever and a zero-tolerance policy feels fair.
If cheating is done offline/single player or online but only affects the player playing the game (like modifying his skin but only he can see it), I'm OK with it. If it's done in a gameplay altering scenario in online multiplayer, the account should be banned from using any online service on that platform. Console bans seem a bit excessive as first offense.
It does not matter to us if those guy want to pirate games there. However, they better not bring it to online as those hacks can ruin others experience.
Like on Splat 1 where hackers cause other player to hard crash.
So console bans to teach that the hard way is the correct way.
Normal players do not have the option of cheating, but hackers, even if for now only use it to essentially play paid content for free early (playing as Octolings is small scale piracy), always have the option to hack more. When Mario Tennis comes out they may say have access to the best gear day 1, and if they were only banned from Splatoon, then there will be another wait period for those they pay against until they get banned in another software, and on and on.
No tolerance. Stay sqeaky clean or get nuked. Ban the console, the accounts, lose any paid content on those accounts, ban any other accounts on that console. Hell, as someone pointed out earlier Nintendo could possibly even ban the joycons lol.
Banning someone forever from a game or online servers forever for hacking into octolings is a bit harsh for the first time. I'd put a one week to one month ban for the first and second offenses, and then banning them from online servers of that game on the 2nd or 3rd warning. 3rd could be account, and 4th could be a system ban.
Too long and too much work if you ask me.
1st time account
2nd time console is a good move if u ask me.
Nah. Them doing this on Wii U caused the games to become unplayable for people without hacked consoles; it's only luck that the same didn't happen here. Besides, if they're pirating paid content then going online (which is what they're doing by using the octoling costumes) , they deserve the ban hammer anyway, regardless of what you opinion is on hacking.
If they want people to pay to play online then they have a responsibility to make sure that nobody is cheating in any form , and if someone is dumb enough to make it easy to recognise they're hacking, then they deserve to have the service removed.
1) that was an urban myth afaik, I played with an Octoling towards the end of the game and was fine
2) these wouldn't carry that risk in any case because they're meant for multiplayer and not enabling a third gender like the Splatoon 1 hack
I'm not inclined to buy Smash if I figure it's going to be the shitshow Splatoon 2 has become.
Ideally Nintendo knows that.
It isn't like somebody could "accidentally" hack his console and install hacks on it. In this case it also was piracy on top.
that's pretty ridiculous
giving someone a slap on the wrist for abusing online services isn't going to teach them anything. if they really want to prevent this from getting out of hand, they need to permaban hackers on the spot, no questions asked
this isn't like griefing or spamming, this could ruin every game on switch with multiplayer
There should be an online hell where cheaters on a game are sent to play among themselves, as long as they paid for the game of course.
Tinkerers are happy because they can experiment along with like-minded chaps and rock-serious people are happy because they play among their serious peers.
Tinkerers are happy because they can experiment along with like-minded chaps and rock-serious people are happy because they play among their serious peers.
It's not a myth, it just didn't affect the person doing the hack. The crash was the result of an Octoling appearing in the plaza. It's a pretty straightforward example of a hack ruining things for other people.
It doesn't really matter if this is much less likely to happen in Splatoon 2 (though until the DLC actually releases, Octolings aren't guaranteed to work properly). The broader point I'm trying to make is that just because it's not really "cheating" per se doesn't make it necessarily not harmful to other players.
I dealt with a lot on PC as well years ago. Dayz was my favorite game, but was full of hackers. No mercy imo. I don't care what they're doing. Ban their console and see if they're interested in doing it again.
If you don't stop these people they're just going to see how far they can push it for shits and giggles so ban consoles away. Just banning them in a game is not a solution since that will only push them to go ruin the next one. A TOS break is a TOS break, you agreed not to access the online services with a hacked/modified/whatever machine and you did, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's possible Nintendo patched it at some point, since the earliest reports I found in a quick search were well before the game stopped receiving patches.
Yeah I hate to be all "one bad apple spoils the bunch" here but I have zero tolerance for stuff like this. Nothing's stopping the hacker from doing this with other games too. Should just ban them from everything just to be sure.