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Nintendo, can we get some black male characters?

Oct 26, 2017
777
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Skin color is a spectrum (there's no "on/off" gene, it's a variable quantity of mixture of pigments), when characters don't display any form of cultural personnality there's not much to go on about.
The whole discussion is about perception and how to change it rather than trying to uncover mystical facts.
Even still, not dark brown isn't straight up black. And in the case of Misango he's clearly Aztec/Native American.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,351
Skin color is a spectrum (there's no "on/off" gene, it's a variable quantity of mixture of pigments), when characters don't display any form of cultural personnality there's not much to go on about.
that's why those characters shouldn't be involved in any discussion.

What makes the Splatoon 2 girl not Southeast Asian vs Black vs Latina vs Native American.
Nothing.

Nondescript skin slider options just be talked about separately.
 
Jun 10, 2018
331


Another example (albeit all women, but the men are the same) ^ Not sure I see the point, unless you're referring to main characters, then, yes, that is lacking.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,635
New York City
No I'm saying the number of prominent black female character by western publishers is almost non-existent. That's actually not true of Nintendo as of late so pretending that just because Nintendo is a Japanese company it's completely unwilling to represent minorities doesn't make much sense since they're currently actually trying to so.
hm, I can think of Dishonored 2.
and....Nadine.

that's about it. There's probably some I'm missing. hopefully lol
You're missing more than a few.

Alyx from Half-Life 2
Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation
Clementine from The Walking Dead
Rochelle from Left 4 Dead
Marlene from The Last of Us
Riley from The Last of Us
Vivienne from Dragon Age: Inquisition
Nilin from Remember Me
Anne from Virginia
Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
Purna from Dead Island
Vella from Broken Age
Maggie from Evolve
Daisy Fitzroy from BioShock Infinite
GAIA from Horizon Zero Dawn
Jade from Mortal Kombat
Tanya from Mortal Kombat
Maya from Killer Instinct
Alex from Oxenfree
 
May 1, 2018
563
Inklings... don't have real hair. Maybe the shredded tentacles could be used to look more like weave? Maybe?

How does having characters with different skin tones all just interacting normally NOT help? Yes, I know there's cultural influences not shown much - a lack of games about Native American, Hawaiian, African, Indian and SEA themes. But that's getting into a matter that affects much more than some characters in a game's aesthetic.

Also, like, the OP himself counted Twintelle and Marina.
 
Oct 31, 2017
5,460
You're missing more than a few.

Alyx from Half-Life 2
Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation
Clementine from The Walking Dead
Rochelle from Left 4 Dead
Marlene from The Last of Us
Riley from The Last of Us
Vivienne from Dragon Age: Inquisition
Nilin from Remember Me
Anne from Virginia
Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
Purna from Dead Island
Vella from Broken Age
Maggie from Evolve
Daisy Fitzroy from BioShock Infinite
GAIA from Horizon Zero Dawn
Jade from Mortal Kombat
Tanya from Mortal Kombat
Maya from Killer Instinct
Alex from Oxenfree
Yeah I remembered most of those the fact a large portion of them aren't even notable within their own series says a lot.
 
Oct 30, 2017
942
You're missing more than a few.

Alyx from Half-Life 2
Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation
Clementine from The Walking Dead
Rochelle from Left 4 Dead
Marlene from The Last of Us
Riley from The Last of Us
Vivienne from Dragon Age: Inquisition
Nilin from Remember Me
Anne from Virginia
Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
Purna from Dead Island
Vella from Broken Age
Maggie from Evolve
Daisy Fitzroy from BioShock Infinite
GAIA from Horizon Zero Dawn
Jade from Mortal Kombat
Tanya from Mortal Kombat
Maya from Killer Instinct
Alex from Oxenfree
how could you miss GTA:SA and GTAV

but as a pure Japanese company, I think Nintendo is kinda doing a better job than others
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,633
Because they are Squid and Octolings?
I was wondering why Nintendo is getting praised for the equivalent of skintone sliders for generic male/female models that have been standard and expected in custom avatar games since forever, while Sony was getting singled out for "white male" characters even though they actually have some games with written, main protagonists that represented ethnicity or gender outside of this expectation. Not many, but certainly more than Nintendo.
 
no love for vandham?

Well, for sure. The Inkling girl on 2 is black and I would say the main one.
Are any of these characters black?



Another example (albeit all women, but the men are the same) ^ Not sure I see the point, unless you're referring to main characters, then, yes, that is lacking.
The OP is about male characters... and the Gerudo specifically don't have any male representative at all in BOTW. And I don't even thing they are meant to be black, more like an analogue of southwest Asian peoples / cultures.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,351
They were specifically wondering about black female characters by Western devs, though if you include male characters, the list would certainly be more extensive.
Oh, it wasn't reflected in that post, but in this thread I've been talking about recent characters. And main characters.
even further I want to see titular characters, or ones that they are the franchise. Not co-stars or casts. So Nadine or Until Dawn or the guy from Detroit wouldn't even count. Someone like Lara Croft
That is where I personally was going. I know there have been lots of black girls in gaming as a whole.
 
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Oct 31, 2017
5,460
Oh, it wasn't reflected in that post, but in this thread I've been talking about recent characters. And main characters.
even further I want to see titular characters, or ones that they are the franchise. Not co-stars or casts. So Nadine or Until Dawn wouldn't even count. Someone like Lara Croft
That is where I personally was going. I know there have been lots of black girls in gaming as a whole.
Basically what I was referring to was character that may not inherently be main characters but are the characters you think of when the series names pops up. Like if you think of assassin's creed the most common image that would pop up in your mind is not Aveline despite her being a MC of sorts same with Nadine. Characters that have some sort of cultural cache and were marketed as such.
 
Oct 29, 2017
143
Berlin
The Splatoon 2 girl and Marina aren't anything.


lol at still assigning to a race to them.
Well then I don't really get the point of such threads because Nintendo doesn't really feature a huge amount of realistic human characters.
Their ARMS roaster is diverse. They should definitely add more variety to their Fire Emblem cast.
I guess that would leave Zelda and Super Mario where I don't expect new main characters to be added in the (near) future.

But if we don't count anthropomorhpic characters then is there a lot left to discuss about in terms of Nintendo?

Edit: Plus I do think that characters like Marina help people identify with them. So I would not dismiss that in any case.
 
May 15, 2018
3,069
Toulouse, France
Animal Crossing legit doesn't count because you can't make your character "black" without going to the island and letting your game sit as your character stands in the sun for a few hours. And you gotta repeat the process often if you want to stay "black".
No this is not true. Not anymore. Last time you needed to do that was in 2013. There have been 2 games since then where you create your character and choose your skin color (Happy Home Designer and Pocket Camp).
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,351
Well then I don't really get the point of such threads because Nintendo doesn't really feature a huge amount of realistic human characters.
Their ARMS roaster is diverse. They should definitely add more variety to their Fire Emblem cast.
I guess that would leave Zelda and Super Mario where I don't expect new main characters to be added in the (near) future.

But if we don't count anthropomorhpic characters then is there a lot left to discuss about in terms of Nintendo?
I think skin sliders should be counted, but separate, since you can't really cite any specific cultural influence.
So yeah, without counting anthropormorphics, there's not much to talk about. Except for stuff like arms, FE, new metroid if it has more people, etc.
Arms and W101 had some diversity with clear cultural influences at least.

edit:
to your edit, I think characters like Marina are good too. I just have them separate from characters with actual cultural influences.
One one side I would have stuff like Misango or the Indian or French seeming guys from W101 (or Nadine for hyper realistic characters)
On the other side would be skin sliders in Xenoblade X, Splatoon 2, or characters like Elma or Marina.

And I put more importance in the first group.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
3,635
New York City
Are any of these characters black?


The OP is about male characters... and the Gerudo specifically don't have any male representative at all in BOTW. And I don't even thing they are meant to be black, more like an analogue of southwest Asian peoples / cultures.
The Gerudo always struck me as an amalgamation of stereotypes mostly based around the Roma people in Spain, or gitanos (hence the thievery and flamenco music in Ocarina of Time).
 
May 1, 2018
563
I was wondering why Nintendo is getting praised for the equivalent of skintone sliders for generic male/female models that have been standard and expected in custom avatar games since forever,
Oh, I moreso said that because it's like the protagonist in Splatoon 2 doesn't count as any ethnicity or particular color, white or otherwise, so characters like Pearl and Marina are the ones that matter.

I also think the option to go back and change your skin, hair and eyes at any time makes it easier to just pick something different on a whim, and then other players see that.
 
Dec 10, 2017
3,675
When reading this thread, do you mean 'black' as just the skin color or the culture of 'black' as in African, African-American, and so on? Because they're are two different things, at least to me. Like the Splatoon characters are not 'black' as a race, they're just black as a skin color depending on the character.
 
Oct 28, 2017
377
I feel like the sea of EXTREMELY niche side characters in this thread is only proving the OP's point.
Not really. I mean, the iconic human(ish) Nintendo characters (Mario, Link, Samus) are 30+ year old. We can’t expect them to change. Newer games(the ones you call niche) all have diversity in the characters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,333
As cool as I think he is, isn't that just some aztech dude with dreadlocks

Not really. I mean, the iconic human(ish) Nintendo characters (Mario, Link, Samus) are 30+ year old. We can’t expect them to change. Newer games(the ones you call niche) all have diversity in the characters.
1) you can, link can legit be anyone. They should just cut the shit and stop pretending he's a character and let us make a link

2) In arm's case, There are more interesting characters like twintelle who aren't in spotlight while boring geneiric dudes like spring man is. I personally want more brown people not just around but prominence, and arms is neiche, it is not some big title like the ones you mentioned
 
Jun 10, 2018
331
Are any of these characters black?


The OP is about male characters... and the Gerudo specifically don't have any male representative at all in BOTW. And I don't even thing they are meant to be black, more like an analogue of southwest Asian peoples / cultures.
Fair point about the south-West Asian/cultures. However, I would say there is at least one male representative in BOTW.

 
Oct 25, 2017
5,096
UK/FR
Because if you'd think for 5 seconds about the types of games featuring " humanoid characters" Nintendo likes to publish, you'd see that they almost always fall into 3 categories:

IPs established literal decades ago ( Mario, Metroid, Kid Icarus)

IPs featuring character creators ( everything Mii, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Splatoon)

Ensemble casts ( Wonderful 101, ARMS)

The latter two always feature black characters.
Like, it's not like they are pumping out white characters in the specific way the OP seems to want for black characters either.
This, but everyone skipped it over since it breaks some arguments...
You're missing more than a few.

Alyx from Half-Life 2
Aveline from Assassin's Creed: Liberation
Clementine from The Walking Dead
Rochelle from Left 4 Dead
Marlene from The Last of Us
Riley from The Last of Us
Vivienne from Dragon Age: Inquisition
Nilin from Remember Me
Anne from Virginia
Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
Purna from Dead Island
Vella from Broken Age
Maggie from Evolve
Daisy Fitzroy from BioShock Infinite
GAIA from Horizon Zero Dawn
Jade from Mortal Kombat
Tanya from Mortal Kombat
Maya from Killer Instinct
Alex from Oxenfree
Some of those are as black as the Splatoon 2 cover inkling. Which is not an issue for me, but wonder how some in this thread that had an issue with Splatoon 2 find those ones...
1) you can, link can legit be anyone. They should just cut the shit and stop pretending he's a character and let us make a link
No they can't, oh boy here we go again.
 
Nov 11, 2017
172
Italy
To be fair, Ganondorf was green - all of the female Gerudo are brown, though. I've always wondered why he's green... maybe it's a male Gerudo thing?
I don't think he's green in Oot. I see it as greenish-Brown colour - i have shoes that are identical to Ganondorf skin in oot, and i wouldn't say they are "green".

Anyway, the later games, smash included, clarified the character is black, not green.


 
Oct 25, 2017
5,333
Wait, a title that sold over 2 million copies is niche?
There are fighting games that sell way beyond that much, still very much a niche thing. I would like it to be bigger, and they are getting bigger in terms of both general audiences and tournoment attendees but it is what it is. Or at least its neiche in comparison to a great deal other games. And that's not mentioning it seems like a lot of people in this thread alone didn't play arms. Though I will admit using reset era or enthusiast sites like this for accurate beats on the general populaces game purchasing habits is a fools errand

No they can't, oh boy here we go again.
Yeah they can particularly with link and pokemon trainers

Characters can be anything and anyone

Go for it
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,634
I don't think he's green in Oot. I see it as greenish-Brown colour - i have shoes that are identical to Ganondorf skin in oot, and i wouldn't say they are "green".

Anyway, the later games, smash included, clarified the character is black, not green.


Do you have a source on them referring to him as black? I can't find anything.
EDIT: Unless you meant that his skin in other games is black, which I still don't see.
I dunno, he still looks green to me.

 
Dec 10, 2017
3,675
As cool as I think he is, isn't that just some aztech dude with dreadlocks



1) you can, link can legit be anyone. They should just cut the shit and stop pretending he's a character and let us make a link

2) In arm's case, There are more interesting characters like twintelle who aren't in spotlight while boring geneiric dudes like spring man is. I personally want more brown people not just around but prominence, and arms is neiche, it is not some big title like the ones you mentioned
No, he can't. Link maybe the 'link to the player' or the 'player avatar', but Link is also his own character and he has become more of his own character with every new game to the point that in Breath of the Wild you can't even change Link's name because of the voice acting. Even before then, most recent games gave 'Link' as a default name when before it was left blank before. In short, Links isn't like Robin or even Corrin who are built from the get-go to be 'your avatar'.

Also, ARMS is an IP that sold over a million copies and it's a new IP. Since when is a million seller considered niche?

There are fighting games that sell way beyond that much, still very much a niche thing. I would like it to be bigger, and they are getting bigger in terms of both general audiences and tournoment attendees but it is what it is. Or at least its neiche in comparison to a great deal other games. And that's not mentioning it seems like a lot of people in this thread alone didn't play arms. Though I will admit using reset era or enthusiast sites like this for accurate beats on the general populaces game purchasing habits is a fools errand



Yeah they can particularly with link and pokemon trainers

Characters can be anything and anyone

Go for it
Certain games in a franchise selling more doesn't make a title that sells less 'niche'. That is like calling Street Fighter niche since Smash sells more. Something like the Guilty Gear series would fit more under 'niche fighting game'.

Again, Links has become more of his own character for decades now with Breath of the Wild where you can't even change Link's name.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,333
No, he can't. Link maybe the 'link to the player' or the 'player avatar', but Link is also his own character and he has become more of his own character with every new game to the point that in Breath of the Wild you can't even change Link's name because of the voice acting. Even before then, most recent games gave 'Link' as a default name when before it was left blank before. In short, Links isn't like Robin or even Corrin who are built from the get-go to be 'your avatar'.

Also, ARMS is an IP that sold over a million copies and it's a new IP. Since when is a million seller considered niche?
I played breath of the wild

That game does nothing to make anything but an avatar for the player

Make a male and female voice

Let me make a link dude

Can we stop pretending this fucking self insert is a character and let me make a cool character

I'm not even here for humoring this dumb ass argument because I have been for years and ya'll been spouting the same bullshit to keep a boring ass nothing white self insert as the protagonist for no goddamn reason