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Mekanos · Aug 23, 2019

I thought Super Paper Mario was kind of a mess in almost every aspect but soundtrack and characters/story.

Level design was boring at best or annoying at worst, the visual design of random shapes was utterly unappealing, and the flipping mechanic meant there was no point to playing any characters besides Mario. I consider it a huge, huge step down from the first two games which are masterpieces. But I've accepted that those style of games are probably dead unless Intelligent Systems and Nintendo suddenly get their act together.

ILikeFeet · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
I always feel like there's disdain against fans who just want Paper Mario to be a fucking RPG again. Why do people such an issue with that.

because I never talked about how the fans feel. I'm talking about general reception and sales. Paper Mario isn't some niche series that absolutely needs the harder core fans' dollars. whatever Paper Mario comes next will probably do very well, whether it's Color Splash, Sticker Star 2, or Paper "Mario: the one fans actually want"

Agent Unknown · Aug 23, 2019

What's up with all the Sunshine speculation? Are there any possibly credible hints/rumors out there or is it just feverish Direct Era willing it to happen?

ILikeFeet · Aug 23, 2019

Agent Unknown said:
What's up with all the Sunshine speculation? Are there any possibly credible hints/rumors out there or is it just feverish Direct Era willing it to happen?

Nintendo posted a picture of Mario enjoying the summer and people are trying to put 2 and fish together

Mory Dunz · Aug 23, 2019

as time has gone on I don't like Color Splash's graphics quite as much as I did.

Before, the music and presentation and graphics were the only appealing things about the game lol

But looking back more and more, and comparing to TTYD and stuff,
I feel like taking the aesthetic the way they did may kinda limit the feeling of world-ness of the world. It just feels smaller, and not like a realized worlds in some of the areas.

Not a huge issue of course. If a PM came with CS's same graphics, and fixed everything else back to TTYD levels, it's a 10/10. So yeah, not a big complaint but something I noticed with the graphical direction.

Agent Unknown · Aug 23, 2019

ILikeFeet said:
Nintendo posted a picture of Mario enjoying the summer and people are trying to put 2 and fish together

Ah.

Soul Skater · Aug 23, 2019

Agent Unknown said:
What's up with all the Sunshine speculation? Are there any possibly credible hints/rumors out there or is it just feverish Direct Era willing it to happen?

Mad_Rhetoric · Aug 23, 2019

Sunshine port would actually get me to buy a switch. Prob just a "Sunshine Kingdom" DLC for Odyssey though, which would still be cool, just not as much.

Raccoon · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
I'm not making this up. It's rated worse than Sticker Star

https://www.gamerankings.com/search.html?search=Paper+Mario+&site=

I did like Color Splash btw, but I'm not in support of this series going in this direction.

For me Color Splash has some of the best writing. It's so funny and I love the aesthetics. There's some really cool areas and scenarios.

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that ranking is fucking absurd tho holy shit

Soul Skater · Aug 23, 2019

It really feels late for Odyssey DLC. like .. it's been two entire years.

I remember when they were making Galaxy 2, it was only supposed to be a remix: or the same game with some new levels. Miyamoto told them to specifically make Galaxy 1.5 but they had so many new ideas they just made a whole new game

Sort of feel like it's possible a sunshine Odyssey DLC went the same way. Initially thought only to add a new world to the game but had so many ideas of what Mario Odyssey would be like in the sunshine world they just made a whole new game as well

9-Volt · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
It doesn't help Mario and Luigi is stale af. People are bored and tired with that series no matter what Metacritic scores tell us. I show that to show how far the series has fallen not to tell you what the sales will be.

Nintendo managed to screw 2 franchises over.

Nintendo could always do more crossovers in M&L games to revitalize the series. They have already done M&L/Paper Mario crossover, anything could be next.

Mario & Luigi vs Wario & Waluigi?
Mario & Luigi in Donkey Kong Country?
Mario & Luigi & Sonic & Tails?
Mario & Luigi in DQ?
Mario & Luigi Visit Disney Worlds a la Kingdom Hearts? Or even Mario & Luigi full KH crossover?

Dark Cloud · Aug 23, 2019

9-Volt said:
Nintendo could always do more crossovers in M&L games to revitalize the series. They have already done M&L/Paper Mario crossover, anything could be next.

Mario & Luigi vs Wario & Waluigi?
Mario & Luigi in Donkey Kong Country?
Mario & Luigi & Sonic & Tails?
Mario & Luigi in DQ?
Mario & Luigi Visit Disney Worlds a la Kingdom Hearts? Or even Mario & Luigi full KH crossover?

Anything to help the series I'm fine with. I'll take Mario and Luigi Kingdom Hearts.

Gartooth · Aug 23, 2019

I can't say I have any interest in another Mario & Luigi game unless AlphaDream does something new with the series. It feels like they milked it for all its' worth on 3DS and the series just boiled down to "Mario & Luigi + twist" and the twist can either be awesome like Bowser or boring like Dream Luigi.

Raccoon · Aug 23, 2019

Mario & Luigi & Wario & Waluigi & Knuckles + Rabbids

BlueManifest · Aug 23, 2019

2 seeds on mario's face

Mario sunshine 2

The Three · Aug 23, 2019

ILikeFeet said:
Nintendo posted a picture of Mario enjoying the summer and people are trying to put 2 and fish together

It's also been pointed out that Nintendo's Gamescom booth has had pieces of fruit sitting on the table, somewhat randomly. Not just a few oranges in a bowl, but things like whole watermelons and pineapples.

MondoMega · Aug 23, 2019

The Three said:
It's also been pointed out that Nintendo's Gamescom booth has had pieces of fruit sitting on the table, somewhat randomly. Not just a few oranges in a bowl, but things like whole watermelons and pineapples.

We've been over this one already; those were related to the games being played.

They showed a new floor in Luigi's Mansion 3 with giant watermelons, and Link's Awakening features a pineapple as part of the big trading side-quest.

Gartooth · Aug 23, 2019

That Mario image is already being over-analyzed by fans I see.

Nintendo does these fun images of the Mario cast all the time. Doing summer Mario isn't anything special when we also have airport Mario renders this year too. I think the Odyssey and Sunshine words in the tweet was just Nintendo being cute.

Vareon · Aug 23, 2019

The Three said:
It's also been pointed out that Nintendo's Gamescom booth has had pieces of fruit sitting on the table, somewhat randomly. Not just a few oranges in a bowl, but things like whole watermelons and pineapples.

If you want to take these as hints, you have to analyze all the other things that seemingly lead nowhere. Like why are the plants missing, why is there a telephone on the table, etc. It is a "hint" to things we wanted because we're the ones making connection to it and ignore all other random stuff.

Deleted member 5127 · Aug 23, 2019

Gartooth said:
I can't say I have any interest in another Mario & Luigi game unless AlphaDream does something new with the series. It feels like they milked it for all its' worth on 3DS and the series just boiled down to "Mario & Luigi + twist" and the twist can either be awesome like Bowser or boring like Dream Luigi.

I actually liked the Dream Team one, the Paper Mario crossover was super bland tho, which is ironic because crossovers are supposed to be hype.

ILikeFeet · Aug 23, 2019

The Three said:
It's also been pointed out that Nintendo's Gamescom booth has had pieces of fruit sitting on the table, somewhat randomly. Not just a few oranges in a bowl, but things like whole watermelons and pineapples.

Those were very related to the games they were playing. People are really missing the context for those and injecting unrelated conclusions

Handicapped Duck · Aug 23, 2019

Becks' said:
It's that time of the year again. Give us a Monolith Soft or Retro trailer, Nintendo.

This is missing Yamauchi in the distant ether.

JB2448 · Aug 23, 2019

ILikeFeet said:
who's ready for Paper Mario Color Splash for December?

MondoMega said:
You joke, but Color Splash is actually a good game and I would buy it again on the Switch (maybe in a few years when it gets discounted, but still).

Color Splash is amazing.
Taro Kudo is an incredible writer, and anyone who disagrees hasn't given Color Splash's writing a fair shake.

Odrion · Aug 23, 2019

Mekanos said:
I thought Super Paper Mario was kind of a mess in almost every aspect but soundtrack and characters/story.

Level design was boring at best or annoying at worst, the visual design of random shapes was utterly unappealing, and the flipping mechanic meant there was no point to playing any characters besides Mario. I consider it a huge, huge step down from the first two games which are masterpieces. But I've accepted that those style of games are probably dead unless Intelligent Systems and Nintendo suddenly get their act together.

It felt like one of those Squaresoft games where they stepped out of their comfort zone of RPGs to make something else... A racing game or platformer or whatever... And the result was a very, very, very awkward game.

Mekanos · Aug 23, 2019

Odrion said:
It felt like one of those Squaresoft games where they stepped out of their comfort zone of RPGs to make something else... A racing game or platformer or whatever... And the result was a very, very, very awkward game.

That's definitely a really good comparison. It lacked the polish and tight design of the first two Paper Marios completely (even if TTYD fell victim to backtracking fatigue occasionally).

Dark Cloud · Aug 23, 2019

Backtracking was the worst part for me in the old Paper Mario games. This is something that can be fixed in a modern Paper Mario.

Mory Dunz · Aug 23, 2019

I didn't own a 3DS, so the reason I skipped recent M&L is more because of that.

So I'm still down for M&L on Switch.
I do think the attacks should cut down on being so long, and cut down on all the text/tutorials.

Regarding Paper Mario:
Get rid of Kamek. Bring back Kammy.

For non-gameplay stuff, having Bowser not talk in a Paper Mario game is #1 worst decision, and getting rid of Kammy completely is #2. (created specifically for Paper Mario and only appears in Paper Mario. Her dynamic w/ Bowser is part of the franchise's early identity)

...so many bad decisions

Sieglinde · Aug 23, 2019

Everyone in this thread talking about Paper Mario are going to look really dumb when the next Intelligent Systems game is actually another Fire Emblem Echoes.

NeonZ · Aug 23, 2019

ILikeFeet said:
because I never talked about how the fans feel. I'm talking about general reception and sales. Paper Mario isn't some niche series that absolutely needs the harder core fans' dollars. whatever Paper Mario comes next will probably do very well, whether it's Color Splash, Sticker Star 2, or Paper "Mario: the one fans actually want"

It probably won't do as badly as Color Splash even if sticking with that style, but you can't really blame Color Splash's failure solely on the Wii U's userbase. Thousand Year Door did much better on the GC, which also had a fairly small userbase. Then you also had games like Pokken Tournament and Hyrule Warriors doing significantly better than Color Splash.

Soul Skater said:
Sort of feel like it's possible a sunshine Odyssey DLC went the same way. Initially thought only to add a new world to the game but had so many ideas of what Mario Odyssey would be like in the sunshine world they just made a whole new game as well

Don't forget the art book showed many concepts left behind in production, so they weren't lacking in ideas.

Clov · Aug 23, 2019

Sieglinde said:
Everyone in this thread talking about Paper Mario are going to look really dumb when the next Intelligent Systems game is actually another Fire Emblem Echoes.

Genealogy remake with a full Thracia 776 DLC campaign would be amazing.

Dark Cloud · Aug 23, 2019

What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

Mory Dunz · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

you mean plausible...or just anything?

NeonZ said:
It probably won't do as badly as Color Splash even if sticking with that style, but you can't really blame Color Splash's failure solely on the Wii U's userbase. Thousand Year Door did much better on the GC, which also had a fairly small userbase. Then you also had games like Pokken Tournament and Hyrule Warriors doing significantly better than Color Splash.

CS is a bit harder to gauge because it was the last game Nintendo released for Wii U outside of BOTW. Pokken was 2015 and Hyrule was 2014, so the Wii U was at least a little more active, than in October 2016, when it was beyond dead.

That being said, as you stated and I've argued before, other games managed to be successful, and TTYD, 64 within the same franchise did better. So it's both parts releasing in Oct 2016, but also, the quality and negative reception matter.

Vuapol · Aug 23, 2019

9-Volt said:
Nintendo could always do more crossovers in M&L games to revitalize the series. They have already done M&L/Paper Mario crossover, anything could be next.

I will forever maintain that AlphaDream failing to make a Wario & Waluigi game is a terrible crime.

Dark Cloud · Aug 23, 2019

Mory Dunz said:
you mean plausible...or just anything?

Let's go with plausible as in there's a chance nintendo would develop the game or whoever your developer of choice is.

Sieglinde · Aug 23, 2019

Clov said:
Genealogy remake with a full Thracia 776 DLC campaign would be amazing.

It has to be, and i hope IS has been developing their own engine this time around so they don't have to rely on Koei Tecmo anymore.

Dark Cloud · Aug 23, 2019

Vuapol said:
I will forever maintain that AlphaDream failing to make a Wario & Waluigi game is a terrible crime.

I always felt like when people mention Wario and Waluigi game it could work. I wished they would do this. This would be a great shakeup.

Clov · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

Impossible answer: F-Zero from RGG Studio. Asides from a pure racing GP mode, could have a story mode with a Kamurocho-esque Mute City overworld. I'm sure they could make it work somehow.

Less impossible answer: Donkey Kong Country Returns 3 from Retro Studios.

MondoMega · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

Something plausible? Super Mario Odyssey 2. I should be very easy to please.

Something (unfortunately) not plausible? More classic systems beyond the NES and SNES. Kinda cheating, but I just want N64 and GameCube games NINTENDO!

EAD Ninja · Aug 23, 2019

Sieglinde said:
It has to be, and i hope IS has been developing their own engine this time around so they don't have to rely on Koei Tecmo anymore.

I'm not sure that's happening this gen. I mean what's the point when Nintendo produced a successful FE game, and they probably want another one in 2 years.

Dark Cloud said:
What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

I'm excited to finally see something..

Clov · Aug 23, 2019

Sieglinde said:
It has to be, and i hope IS has been developing their own engine this time around so they don't have to rely on Koei Tecmo anymore.

Genealogy is a big game, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were working away on that. I think they'll have Koei Tecmo's assistance on the engine at the very least. Seems like a waste to not reuse the foundation that Three Houses has established.

Mory Dunz · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
Let's go with plausible as in there's a chance nintendo would develop the game or whoever your developer of choice is.

Well, a perfect Paper Mario of course.
you didnt say new game, so seeing a big BOTW2 trailer lol. I think it'll be TGA tho
FFTA3 in the vein of the advance games. Won't happen with the mobile game, etc.

then there's several a slight tier below that I would really like.

Deleted member 1839 · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
What's the one game or a game form a developer they want to see in the Direct? Like your most ultimate want to see game or game from a developer.

I'd want to see the "flip the action genre on it's head" game that platinum teased last year. I'd also take a straight platinum games direct featuring Astral Chain, Wonderful 101 port, Bayonetta 3 footage and a tease at the next game.

Would definitely be the best direct no doubt.

MondoMega · Aug 23, 2019

Sieglinde said:
It has to be, and i hope IS has been developing their own engine this time around so they don't have to rely on Koei Tecmo anymore.

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't continue working with Three House's engine, at least for one or two more games. That just seems like a waste of time and resources otherwise.

Sieglinde · Aug 23, 2019

EAD Ninja said:
I'm not sure that's happening this gen. I mean what's the point when Nintendo produced a successful FE game, and they probably want another one in 2 years.

Clov said:
Genealogy is a big game, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were working away on that. I think they'll at least have Koei Tecmo's assistance on the engine at the very least. Seems like a waste to not reuse the foundation that Three Houses has established.

Yeah even though i hope i still doubt it, the only scenario i can see it happening is if IS started making a new engine for the Switch after SoV and seeked KT assistance since it wouldn't have been ready for a new FE in the early years of the Switch, still though pretty unlikely and since 3H has been doing great using that as a base for future games seems like the obvious thing to do.

Mekanos · Aug 23, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
Let's go with plausible as in there's a chance nintendo would develop the game or whoever your developer of choice is.

I guess Intelligent Systems making a true Paper Mario 3.

Much less likely but still hopeful: a new DK game (2D or 3D, preferably 3D) with fully individually playable DK/Diddy/Dixie and K. Rool returning with the Kremlings.

Odyssey 2 will definitely be exciting when/if it happens since I loved the first game but there was room for improvement.

Deleted member 37151 · Aug 23, 2019

Wario and Waluigi Treasure Hunt makes far too much sense. Maybe Nintendo think Wario just isn't as bankable as Mario, even if the M&L games are a little stale.

I'd love another silly party game from Nintendo. I was playing Bishi Bashi channel at an arcade yesterday at it was SO MUCH FUN in four player mode. It's a shame that the multi player modes in Wario Ware never quite hit that level of greatness.

I think the Switch Lite really compromises something like this being released soonish, though. I mean, why release a party game that your new console can't play?

Mario Party and 1-2 Switch show that demand is really there for fun party games. I do not for the life of me understand why there aren't more of them. Why there's no Rabbids party game etc.

Clov · Aug 23, 2019

Rather than a Wario and Waluigi game, just give me a new Wario Land. I'd even take Shake It in HD. Those sprites would look amazing on the Switch's screen.

Deleted member 37151 · Aug 23, 2019

anyone developing a new WarioLand should play Cuphead. And basically rip it off

9-Volt · Aug 23, 2019

Mylatestnovel said:
anyone developing a new WarioLand should play Cuphead. And basically rip it off

What? No! Warioland is as perfect as it is. Turning it into a simple run n gun would be the worst thing that could happen to the series.

I'd like them to try a 3D for a second time, there are lots of great ideas to be implemented in a 3D Wario game. Like vampire Wario in an open 3D space. There are just too many ongoing 2D Nintendo series (NSMB, Kirby, DK and Yoshi) but just one 3D, so turning Wario a 3D game make better sense than turning Yoshi or Kirby.

MondoMega · Aug 23, 2019

Clov said:
I'd even take Shake It in HD. Those sprites would look amazing on the Switch's screen.

I just hope they have all of the original art assets lying around. I need all of that uncompressed art. Dolphin can only give us a small taste at a HD version

Speaking of art; Good-Feel always includes new content in their ports, so I wonder if they could find a use for some of the scrapped content. I really like this slime enemy.

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