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Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

Nightwing Fan Shan said:
Mario is probably not the example you want to use considering Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door featured a transgender character named Vivian that people still hold up as good representation in 2019, just like people still hold up P2: IS. Going from good rep to actively harmful portrayals is enough to call that aspect of the game bad. It's stuff like Mario and Link being allowed to dress femininely that gives Nintendo gets a pass now, if that's what you want to call it. Maybe Nintendo has developed games with homophobic sentiments in the past, but clearly they're not doing that right now.

Breath Of The Wild had a pretty commonly criticized scene with transphobic elements.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...h-of-the-wild-failed-us-when-it-comes-to.html

I could cherry pick this scene and imply the whole game is worth trashing because of it. Or I could acknowledge it as a bad minor part of an otherwise great game, a part that certainly deserves critique, but it's important to understand that basically all media we consume is going to have problematic elements in it. That doesn't mean stop criticizing it. It means you should weigh your own opinions on what makes one too much and the other acceptable.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
Breath Of The Wild had a pretty commonly criticized scene with transphobic elements.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...h-of-the-wild-failed-us-when-it-comes-to.html

I could cherry pick this scene and imply the whole game is worth trashing because of it. Or I could acknowledge it as a bad minor part of an otherwise great game, a part that certainly deserves critique, but it's important to understand that basically all media we consume is going to have problematic elements in it. That doesn't mean stop criticizing it. It means you should weigh your own opinions on what makes one too much and the other acceptable.

Clov said:
Thank you for posting this. There's a lot of people who give Hashino's games a pass for their anti-LGBT content, but it makes me happy to see that there's some people who are willing to criticize them. Being queer myself, it means a lot.

It's true that Fates does have that blatantly awful scene. It's also the only FE game that lets you have any kind of same sex relationship. While I can't ignore how horrible those scenes involving Soliel are, I did at least appreciate that it let my Corrin be gay at all, even though my options were limited in that regard. There's clearly a lot of improvement needed for future installments. At the very least, Leon in Echoes was handled well.

As a last note, and I won't go into too much detail to keep things brief, but Kanji (and especially how other people treat Kanji) is one of the worst handled aspects of Persona 4. I don't for a second believe that Hashino intended anything positive regarding queer people when it comes to that character.

Guys. This is a pretty important topic I agree, but I think it would be better to move it to it's own thread because it's kind of eating this one.

MondoMega · Apr 15, 2019

Neat, you can play it without vr.

Gotdatmoney · Apr 15, 2019

Amaterasu said:
Twin Rings + Dromarch. Maybe even late game Nia.

*Bromarch

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
I dunno I think I agree with Jonneh that they could easily just upload a trailer to twitter and that be that.

Then why did they tease it during the last Direct? I respect Jonneh and the GX crew, but something doesn't add up.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
Then why did they tease it during the last Direct? I respect Jonneh and the GX crew, but something doesn't add up.

In a way, I think that adds more reason to not need a 3.0 direct. If they had just said Jokers coming at some point and not said anything about an update then they would definitely need about 10 minutes to go through everything but because people know 3.0 and Joker are coming in April I think they'd be ok shadow dropping it and letting people people find out for themselves or uploading a trailer which is small enough to allow the player the chance to discover most of the new stuff on their own.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

mindatlarge said:
That would make sense, I mean, this is Reggie we are talking about. Maybe they will let his new Twitter account be the first to annouce the next Direct lol. If the man is loved now, that would put him in the stratosphere.

I think Reggie made the twitter account just so he didn't lose all contact with us and vice versa post Nintendo

Fanuilos · Apr 15, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
Then why did they tease it during the last Direct? I respect Jonneh and the GX crew, but something doesn't add up.

Probably because it was the first general direct after Smash's release, they spent a good chunk of 2018 promoting it and Joker hadn't (and really still hasn't) been shown off. They could drop a lengthy trailer for 3.0 & Joker and leave it at that. I kinda think one of the reasons they went so light on Smash in the February direct was because they went so hard on it in 2018. They're gonna be talking about the game until at least February 2020. They'll have to pace themselves and not treat every single Smash thing like a huge blowout megaton.

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
I dunno I think I agree with Jonneh that they could easily just upload a trailer to twitter and that be that.

Sakurai likes to talk about new Smash characters and stages. They aren't going to just drop the info on Twitter and say "peace."

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
Sakurai likes to talk about new Smash characters and stages. They aren't going to just drop the info on Twitter and say "peace."

They did less than that for Plant.

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
They did less than that for Plant.

Plant had a full trailer and was announced in a direct, so no.

DecoReturns · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
They did less than that for Plant.

Sakurai already had talked about Piranha plant tho.

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
They did less than that for Plant.

Except Sakurai did talk about Piranha Plant... in the November Smash Direct.

InASnowBoundLand · Apr 15, 2019

Can we show some respect please. Their name is Piranha Plant. Not Plant. Not Petey. And especially not P L A N T with spaces between the letters.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
Except Sakurai did talk about Piranha Plant... in the November Smash Direct.

DecoReturns said:
Sakurai already had talked about Piranha plant tho.

LordKano said:
Plant had a full trailer and was announced in a direct, so no.

He didn't have a whole direct or mini direct dedicated to it though and he didn't break down Piranha Plant the way he did Simon for example.

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

It seems like people forgot that they teased the 3.0 Update in the last Direct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr_ttoUTD9g

(I'm not linking the video directly again. It led to... problems the last time I did something like that.)

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
He didn't have a whole direct or mini direct dedicated to it though and he didn't break down Piranha Plant the way he did Simon for example.

He talked about his moves, his Final Smash, and how to obtain him. He also didn't have a new stage to announce alongside him.

Dark Cloud · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
In a way, I think that adds more reason to not need a 3.0 direct. If they had just said Jokers coming at some point and not said anything about an update then they would definitely need about 10 minutes to go through everything but because people know 3.0 and Joker are coming in April I think they'd be ok shadow dropping it and letting people people find out for themselves or uploading a trailer which is small enough to allow the player the chance to discover most of the new stuff on their own.

It's not just Joker. Idk why you and him keep saying it's only Joker. It's a huge update with Joker, stage, music, Spirits, new stages and probably a VR Mode. This is a Smash Direct worthy considering Sakurai loves to explain things out.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
It's not just Joker. Idk why you and him keep saying it's only Joker. It's a huge update with Joker, stage, music, Spirits, new stages and probably a VR Mode. This is a Smash Direct worthy considering Sakurai loves to explain things out.

I'm aware it's more than Joker I just don't think it needs a 10 - 20 minute presentation to show it off.

DecoReturns · Apr 15, 2019

We had a special live announcement for a character reveal once (Robin).

Deleted member 51691 · Apr 15, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
It's not just Joker. Idk why you and him keep saying it's only Joker. It's a huge update with Joker, stage, music, Spirits, new stages and probably a VR Mode. This is a Smash Direct worthy considering Sakurai loves to explain things out.

Yep, if Sakurai can spend 20 minutes going over language options and brightness settings, he can make a Smash Direct for 3.0, Joker, and probably the next DLC character.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

DecoReturns said:
We had a special live announcement for a character reveal once (Robin).

I forgot about that, that's actually a good point.

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

Nintendo's going to want to give some kind of advance warning for people about their replays. I don't think they will just shadow drop the 3.0 Update.

@dedmunk · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
I'm aware it's more than Joker I just don't think it needs a 10 - 20 minute presentation to show it off.

Did you see the E3 presentation? There was plenty of Smash info in there that didn't need to be there, but that didn't stop em.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

seloth said:
Did you see the E3 presentation? There was plenty of Smash info in there that didn't need to be there, but that didn't stop em.

Yeah but that was the reveal of it as Smash Ultimate not an update to a released game.

srtrestre · Apr 15, 2019

InASnowBoundLand said:
Can we show some respect please. Their name is Piranha Plant. Not Plant. Not Petey. And especially not P L A N T with spaces between the letters.

I call it The Shrub.

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yeah but that was the reveal of it as Smash Ultimate not an update to a released game.

They had two dedicated Smash Directs after Wii U/3DS released. (And there was another Dedicated Smash Direct in between the release of the 3DS version and Wii U version.)

srtrestre · Apr 15, 2019

All I want is a Direct is that too much to ask, nintdo

Dark Cloud · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yeah but that was the reveal of it as Smash Ultimate not an update to a released game.

Dude we had Smash Directs after Smash Wii U released for updates/dlc.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
They had two dedicated Smash Directs after Wii U/3DS released. (And there was another Dedicated Smash Direct in between the release of the 3DS version and Wii U version.)

Dark Cloud said:
Dude we had Smash Directs after Smash Wii U released for updates/dlc.

MondoMega said:
Smash 4 had two post-release Directs dedicated to it.

Yes but that was for multiple characters. Not one character plus a couple of modes, at least one of which is returning.

MondoMega · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yeah but that was the reveal of it as Smash Ultimate not an update to a released game.

Smash 4 had two post-release Directs dedicated to it. It doesn't even need to be a long presentation (but knowing Sakurai, it'll probably be a minimum of 10 minutes).

Braaier · Apr 15, 2019

Dark Cloud said:
Dude we had Smash Directs after Smash Wii U released for updates/dlc.

The wii U needed all the help it could get. Things are different now

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yes but that was for multiple characters. Not one character plus a couple of modes, at least one of which is returning.

They could easily justify 10-15 minutes to talk about Joker, his stage, Mii costumes, stage builder, and end it with an Erdrick trailer.

Braaier said:
The wii U needed all the help it could get. Things are different now

Smash is literally one of the best selling Switch games. You think they aren't going to aggressively advertise its DLC?

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
You think they aren't going to aggressively advertise its DLC?

Yes, that's exactly why I think it could be a shorter trailer. They could put it as YouTube ads and promote the tweet which would reach a larger audience.

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yes, that's exactly why I think it could be a shorter trailer. They could put it as YouTube ads and promote the tweet which would reach a larger audience.

You know they could do both things, right? Nintendo Directs carry insane hype, especially Smash Directs. Airing the Direct and advertising through social media is the optimal outcome.

Dark Cloud · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Yes, that's exactly why I think it could be a shorter trailer. They could put it as YouTube ads and promote the tweet which would reach a larger audience.

Or they can do a Smash Direct and do those things also. I don't see Sakurai not wanting to explain Joker and other things coming to the 3.0 update.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
You know they could do both things, right? Nintendo Directs carry insane hype, especially Smash Directs. Airing the Direct and advertising through social media is the optimal outcome.

But wouldn't it be cheaper to simply do a smaller ad campaign rather than produce a larger direct. Nintendo Directs are more so aimed towards the hardcore Nintendo/Smash Bros fans, most of which have already bought the fighters pass.

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
But wouldn't it be cheaper to simply do a smaller ad campaign rather than produce a larger direct. Nintendo Directs are more so aimed towards the hardcord Nintendo/Smash Bros fans, most of which have already bought the fighters pass.

The game sold 12 million units in less than a month. They aren't exactly hurting for cash to film Sakurai talking in his studio while editing some Smash footage together.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
The game sold 12 million units in less than a month. They aren't exactly hurting for cash to film Sakurai talking in his studio while editing some Smash footage together.

It made a lot of money yes, but why waste even a small amount on preaching to the choir when it's unnecessary? A smaller trailer with wider appeal could do the same job.

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
It made a lot of money yes, but why waste even a small amount on preaching to the choir when it's unnecessary? A smaller trailer with wider appeal could do the same job.

Was it necessary to make three Directs after Smash 3DS released?

louisacommie · Apr 15, 2019

Nintendo directs don't air on tv so i dont they have the same marketing cost as say a film trailer

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
It made a lot of money yes, but why waste even a small amount on preaching to the choir when it's unnecessary? A smaller trailer with wider appeal could do the same job.

Maybe because Smash Directs are so hype they gobble up social media when they launch? Smash fans are always hungry for more info. The cost to produce a Smash Direct is completely negligible compared to the added visibility created by it.

In the world of business, there is no such thing as overmarketing. You want to sell, sell, sell, so you use every avenue possible.

mopinks · Apr 15, 2019

whenever they announce a Direct they get a day and a half of raging publicity before the dang thing even airs

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
Was it necessary to make three Directs after Smash 3DS released?

Yes, because there was more to reveal. Ryu being revealed and added to smash has much larger implications to hardcore Nintendo/Smash bros fans than an already announced character and two modes, at least one of which is returning.

Dark Cloud · Apr 15, 2019

They film Sakurai in a room. He did Directs after Smash Wii/3DS released. He already did Directs for Smash Ultimate. He'll definitely have a direct or two post Smash Ultimates release. There's no "wasting money" considering the amount of money Smash makes and how big the series is.

Then pointing it out the 3.0 Direct made it a big deal.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Don't get me wrong I don't think a direct is impossible, hell it's Nintendo nothing is impossible. I just don't think it's needed.

Mekanos · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Don't get me wrong I don't think a direct is impossible, hell it's Nintendo nothing is impossible. I just don't think it's needed.

It's not about what's "needed" it's what will make their product as visible as possible. Avengers Endgame could have no trailers and still break box office records, but trailers and ads will make it even MORE money.

KtotheRoc · Apr 15, 2019

superbright said:
Don't get me wrong I don't think a direct is impossible, hell it's Nintendo nothing is impossible. I just don't think it's needed.

Then why didn't they show Joker fully and reveal the new modes when they had everybody paying attention to the last Direct back in February?

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

Mekanos said:
It's not about what's "needed" it's what will make their product as visible as possible. Avengers Endgame could have no trailers and still break box office records, but trailers and ads will make it even MORE money.

Yes but those trailers aren't made then targeted at the marvel studios subreddit. They're made for mass market appeal. A direct only showing Joker and a couple new modes isn't going to sell fighters passes because most people watching already have it were as a shorter trailer aimed at people who either haven't bought the game yet or aren't as into Smash as we are would make more sense for something like this.

superbright · Apr 15, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
Then why didn't they show Joker fully and reveal the new modes when they had everybody paying attention to the last Direct back in February?

Because they weren't done.

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