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Lyre

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I'm trying to think of games Nintendo have published that can be considered to be (1) aimed at older games and (2) that actually earned the right to take itself seriously.

- Eternal Darkness
- Perfect Dark(?)

Is that it?
Actually I'll add Prime 2, in retrospect, that game was a bit more harrowing than Prime 1 (imo tonally neutral) and Prime 3 (classic teen game).

Edit: Actually no I take it back, I worked it out and I was tiny when I first played Prime 2 lol.
 
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Mekanos

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if prime trilogy comes to switch maybe I'll actually play all the way through prime this time

third time's the charm

it's a game I want to love so bad but FPS games are just hard for me in general, partially due to motion sickness issues

if I could control samus in third person then switch to FPS for aiming that alone would help sooooo much lmao
 

Mekanos

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Yeah whether or not Eternal Darkness gets a sequel is whatever, I just want to play it. can't be worse than the rest of the GCN's library
 

TheDinoman

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Other M's gameplay being shit makes sense when you consider that Sakamoto originally just wanted to make it a 2.5D sidescrolling game in the vein of Klonoa and Pandemonium! (hence the 2D Wiimote controls), but then Team Ninja wanted to make it a 3D action game and couldn't get him to budge on the Nunchuck control scheme so the game just ended up as a bizarre compromise between two clashing visions
 
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Okay I have an update on the press kits I've been waiting to share.

I was all set to share everything, only it clicked at the last minute that all the contact info of PR folks were still in the files. So I had to go back and redo A LOT of things.

All PDF files are now png pages with the stuff edited out.

All word documents were edited to remove the contact info and even remade so there are no traces of their names left.

All saved webpages are now screenshots to avoid risking anything still be somehow be accessible. Hell I even made fixes to them as most pages had obvious issues. :)

I put in a fuck ton of work into this over the last few days. And I'm not even done yet! In all there's probably 5-7 total kits I think. I actually merged two of the E3 2005 kits since one was 1st-party based and the other 3rd-party, so it made sense.

I'm mostly saying all of this since the kits will have these things and out of context they will look awkward.

I did just put the finishing touches on the E3 2005 and E3 2006 kits which were the biggest ones I think, so those are ready to go. But do you all want the two now, or should I wait until I finish every kit?
 

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Next Level Games making Mario Strikers was what I thought they were making. Nintendo is doing a very good job listening to fans. I won’t be surprised if Mario Strikers comes next year, but...due to the virus will probably be a 2022 game if that’s what they’re doing
 

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Okay I have an update on the press kits I've been waiting to share.

I was all set to share everything, only it clicked at the last minute that all the contact info of PR folks were still in the files. So I had to go back and redo A LOT of things.

All PDF files are now png pages with the stuff edited out.

All word documents were edited to remove the contact info and even remade so there are no traces of their names left.

All saved webpages are now screenshots to avoid risking anything still be somehow be accessible. Hell I even made fixes to them as most pages had obvious issues. :)

I put in a fuck ton of work into this over the last few days. And I'm not even done yet! In all there's probably 5-7 total kits I think. I actually merged two of the E3 2005 kits since one was 1st-party based and the other 3rd-party, so it made sense.

I'm mostly saying all of this since the kits will have these things and out of context they will look awkward.

I did just put the finishing touches on the E3 2005 and E3 2006 kits which were the biggest ones I think, so those are ready to go. But do you all want the two now, or should I wait until I finish every kit?
That would be very cool to have. Though I'm pretty sure a lot of E3 kits have been uploaded online and people don't care about reacting PR info lol

 

Mekanos

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I think the characters and world of Uprising are charming enough that I'd play just about any game with them. It's a shame it didn't do too hot, if it really took off maybe we'd at least get some spin-offs.
 

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You wouldn’t want Samurai to do it? I know he doesn’t want too. I think Kid Icarus is not something anyone wants to make
Sakurai laid the groundwork, but I think it might be better for Next Level to take up the next game as they can play up, what I thought was, the best aspects of the game: the characters. Luigi's Mansion 3 shown they can get the level design down well, and being on the Switch, they can avoid that poor camera of the 3DS game.

gotta do Best Girl justice

 

Mekanos

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Sakurai laid the groundwork, but I think it might be better for Next Level to take up the next game as they can play up, what I thought was, the best aspects of the game: the characters. Luigi's Mansion 3 shown they can get the level design down well, and being on the Switch, they can avoid that poor camera of the 3DS game.

gotta do Best Girl justice

That’s not Phosphora
 

ArchedThunder

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No idea where to ask this, but what is the read speed for Switch game cards and the Switch internal memory?
 

TheDinoman

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Uprising was very strongly Sakurai's vision. Giving it to a new team will more than likely result in a Kid Icarus very different from what fans loved about it on 3DS.

I think it'd probably just be better to wait several more years for Uprising to be older, and ergo let fans be more open to a different/new take by then. Kinda like how there wasn't much of a backlash to Uprising being the way it was from older fans (see: Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts), considering it was a good 20 or so years since the last Kid Icarus and people had moved on by then.
 

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Next Level Games making Mario Strikers was what I thought they were making. Nintendo is doing a very good job listening to fans. I won’t be surprised if Mario Strikers comes next year, but...due to the virus will probably be a 2022 game if that’s what they’re doing
LM3 just came out, like, six months ago. There were over three years between each of their last projects, even without corona. A 2021 game from them would be extremely surprising, virus or no virus.

I could even see their next game even being an early 2023 title. That would be very much in line with their previous development cycles.
 

Peleo

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Next Level Games making Mario Strikers was what I thought they were making. Nintendo is doing a very good job listening to fans. I won’t be surprised if Mario Strikers comes next year, but...due to the virus will probably be a 2022 game if that’s what they’re doing
Couldn’t open the original thread here, what is the context of the post?

And yes, I do think Strikers is their Next Game. Seems like a great fit on the Switch, even more so if they manage to get it by 2022 with the World Cup.

I feel the franchise could easily become bigger than Mario Tennis, Golf, Baseball Etc
 

Raccoon

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saw that BT joined the ranks of DKCfan

crazy that I was almost among them

anyway, I’ll third Mario Strikers from NLG, it’d make a lot of sense
 

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I just want a Kid Icarus game to have great writing/voice acting and retain the Saturday morning cartoon feel, which doesn’t need Sakurai.
 

ArchedThunder

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I would honestly rather NLG be given the keys to another franchise or be allowed to make a new Mario subseries.
 

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That's the thing though, that particular console was a bit more known for games like that than Nintendo's other consoles. It had its own exclusive (for a time) Resident Evil game. You'd think there would be some audience overlap.
It's easy to forget, but the Gamecube had THREE exclusive Resident Evil games. RE4 (for a minute), REmake and Resident Evil 0 (which were Nintendo exclusive until 2015).
 

Dark Cloud

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Couldn’t open the original thread here, what is the context of the post?

And yes, I do think Strikers is their Next Game. Seems like a great fit on the Switch, even more so if they manage to get it by 2022 with the World Cup.

I feel the franchise could easily become bigger than Mario Tennis, Golf, Baseball Etc
Yeah I see it as a 2022 game. A Mario sports game taking 3 years to make makes sense and lines up with the World Cup like you said. I love Strikers. The “edginess” it brought. Very different personality compared to the usual Mario sports games.

It was just this tweet. Of course it doesn’t have to mean anything.

 

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I just want a Kid Icarus game to have great writing/voice acting and retain the Saturday morning cartoon feel, which doesn’t need Sakurai.
yep. Imo sakurai should be allowed to pave new creative ground with new projects and allow other talented developers to emulate and expand on his ideas with sequels

sequels, despite what smash might have us believe, aren’t his bag
 

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No idea where to ask this, but what is the read speed for Switch game cards and the Switch internal memory?
Switch internal eMMC is Toshiba THGBMHG8C2LBAIL (there are also some units that use Samsung eMMC).

From the datasheet, the max data rate is 400 MB/s, though I'm pretty sure the speed is lower than that because of bottlenecks in other parts of the hardware.

Regarding cartdriges, there are different memory chips being used, from different manufacturers, so I guess speeds differ between cartdriges, but seems to be similar to current SD UHS-1 U1 speeds (around 80 MB/s).
 
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if prime trilogy comes to switch maybe I'll actually play all the way through prime this time

third time's the charm

it's a game I want to love so bad but FPS games are just hard for me in general, partially due to motion sickness issues

if I could control samus in third person then switch to FPS for aiming that alone would help sooooo much lmao
Sounds like Other M is the game for you haha.
 
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I just want a Kid Icarus game to have great writing/voice acting and retain the Saturday morning cartoon feel, which doesn’t need Sakurai.
Uprising has one of my favorite video games story's of all time, mostly due to the amazing banter between the characters. Was Sakurai said to not be that involved with the story?
 

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Also let's be real here: The majority of the voice cast from Uprising more than likely wouldn't be brought back for future games, considering Nintendo has basically sworn off ever using union voice actors again.

Antony Del Rio is literally the only VA from that game to reprise his role in Smash Ultimate, and the dude isn't even listed in the credits. They did briefly bring back Hynden Walch in Smash 4 for Viridi but then soon after replaced her with a god awful "sound-a-like" in Ultimate.
 

Mekanos

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Hades is perfect in the english version. can't imagine him being any different
Yeah he's great, one of the best villains in a Nintendo game I'd say. In the original version he was more of a straightforward villain without the comedic and hammy elements. Apparently the localization is like that because the original script relies on a lot of references to Japanese culture that don't translate well.
 

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The thing about Eternal Darkness is- I honestly have no idea why it didn't sell well. Or even if it sold well at all to be honest. For a horror game I mean.

It was extremely high quality in almost all aspects. The story, setting, visuals, sanity and magicka mechanics, the whole premise of traveling throughout history and revisiting the same places centuries later, all of that was fantastic.

It's probably the best horror game ever made. It had very clunky actual combat mechanics but to be honest very few horror games (that have combat) outside of RE4 can't say the same. If it came back today and was marketed well I think it could do outstanding numbers for its genre.
This was during the time when Nintendo only advertised their M rated games during late night. No day or prime time adverts at all, so the game was probably an unknown except for the most dedicated of Nintendo loyalists.
 

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This was during the time when Nintendo only advertised their M rated games during late night. No day or prime time adverts at all, so the game was probably an unknown except for the most dedicated of Nintendo loyalists.
Nintendo advertised Bayonetta 2 extensively on Adult Swim (the most popular channel for the 18-34 male demo) so it's not like that time is devoid of views

they also advertised Xenoblade X during that time too
 

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This was during the time when Nintendo only advertised their M rated games during late night. No day or prime time adverts at all, so the game was probably an unknown except for the most dedicated of Nintendo loyalists.
As someone who mostly only played Nintendo games growing up, I had no idea what an eternal darkness was until I started following gaming forums a few years ago
 

nenned

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Nintendo advertised Bayonetta 2 extensively on Adult Swim (the most popular channel for the 18-34 male demo) so it's not like that time is devoid of views

they also advertised Xenoblade X during that time too
As I said, it was during a different time (2002) and Nintendo only advertised M rated games at late night. They have obviously changed that policy since the GCN era, but I believe there was a lack of awareness of ED due to Nintendo refusing to advertise it during high tv viewing hours that lead to its underperforming sales.
 
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