Sony's policy is toothless anyway since it's largely undefined, unfairly enforced and the really objectionable content (sexualization of minors) makes it through anyway plus purity rays. Their intent might be right on some level but the actual execution is an arbitrary mess with eneffectual results (other than causing 3rd party headaches). Really it's nothing more than lipservice.
So the answer for people who don't want developers not to add pedo bait content is to just not buy them?
There are plenty of people who believe this shit is fine because "they are not real". Does that mean it should be okay to make those games?
I don't buy them. Other do.This has been the biggest problem about Sony's policy, though. The fact that they told devs to not admit there was a censorship policy was practically draconian.
Don't. Buy. Them. Vote with your wallet. If people want to buy them regardless of the stigma attached to it as you say, then clearly there's enough money in it to keep going as long as these games have been made. It is ABSURD to have somebody over the ratings board say otherwise and there's not a single excuse for it.
Also, considering we're talking about an UNDEFINED AMBIGUOUS CENSORSHIP POLICY, I would think that's up for scrutiny until foundations are set.
And no, "Think of the children" is not a fucking justification.
End justifies the means is not a good argument, man.I don't buy them. Other do.
This isn't some fucking "think of the children" bullshit. It is a real issue and one that is being normalized. Fuck that shit, if this is what needs to be done to stop this shit from being released then I am all for it.
Quick reminder of the type of 'content' you are supporting if you are happy with this stance:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ed-ps4-version-censored.110987/#post-19751954
Mind telling me what games got affected by this crack down other than games promoting sexualized children? I can only think of one game that had a weird censorship which is DMC5 but I doubt it was done because Sony asked for it to be done.
Pretty disappointing coming from Nintendo. Underage sexualization has been an issue in Japanese media for a very long time, but there's no real incentive for anyone to change it. However, the industry as a whole needs to step up and not just one platformer holder, because then it becomes ineffectual. It's really disappointing that the media is framing it as "anti-censorship" rather than "pro-lolicon" (though not unexpected) because that's the image that would be needed to get Nintendo to shift.
There's some other frustrating elements of this too. Mary Skelter is one of those games that's pretty sleazy but actually fairly decent, but for the sequel, rather than toning it down for the PS4, they just didn't bother to localize that version and only stuck it on the Switch. I totally would've bought a cleaned up version, but considering Idea Factory's target audience I'm probably in the minority.
Anyway, since people fundamentally STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND how these things, Sony doesn't go through pre-release games with a checklist, it's up to the third party dev/publisher to review Sony's rules and figure out what's appropriate and what isn't. This seems to have been a sticking point with something like DmC5, where Capcom erred too heavily on the side of caution, realized post-release that it was actually A-OK, and patched it out. But that's also why you have things that aren't necessarily underage sexualization getting some tweaks because they need to play it safe rather than risk a content rejection and then wasting time/money for a resubmission.
Sony's not actually dealing with the problem though. They're just breeding ill will with smaller devs and pubs for the trouble and the objectionable content is largely getting through anyway.Okay, just seems weird to me to cheer for status quo when there is a problem that will never get dealt with.
They didn't localize the PS4 version of MS2 because the Chinese version was censored in a patch (removed the rubbing minigame) and it broke the game and introduced problems. The Switch version is being localized uncensored.Pretty disappointing coming from Nintendo. Underage sexualization has been an issue in Japanese media for a very long time, but there's no real incentive for anyone to change it. However, the industry as a whole needs to step up and not just one platformer holder, because then it becomes ineffectual. It's really disappointing that the media is framing it as "anti-censorship" rather than "pro-lolicon" (though not unexpected) because that's the image that would be needed to get Nintendo to shift.
There's some other frustrating elements of this too. Mary Skelter is one of those games that's pretty sleazy but actually fairly decent, but for the sequel, rather than toning it down for the PS4, they just didn't bother to localize that version and only stuck it on the Switch. I totally would've bought a cleaned up version, but considering Idea Factory's target audience I'm probably in the minority.
Anyway, since people fundamentally STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND how these things, Sony doesn't go through pre-release games with a checklist, it's up to the third party dev/publisher to review Sony's rules and figure out what's appropriate and what isn't. This seems to have been a sticking point with something like DmC5, where Capcom erred too heavily on the side of caution, realized post-release that it was actually A-OK, and patched it out. But that's also why you have things that aren't necessarily underage sexualization getting some tweaks because they need to play it safe rather than risk a content rejection and then wasting time/money for a resubmission.
the pedo content is still there, there's just some slight fog or light ray covering some parts of it in some games. these rules aren't stopping the content from existing. if sony actually had a policy of denying these games from being published on their platforms, then that would have been something you could respect.If it means no more pedo content then I am fine with these rules
Mind telling me what games got affected by this crack down other than games promoting sexualized children? I can only think of one game that had a weird censorship which is DMC5 but I doubt it was done because Sony asked for it to be done.
I agree Sony should clarify their rules but at the very least something is being done against these games. I can't say the same for other platforms. If it means no more pedo content then I am fine with these rules, especially when many people seem to want this type of content which normalizes it.
That's the opposite of what's happening. Sony themselves confirmed that there isn't any guidelines.
Developers have to submit their games(in English regardless of whether it's a JP only release) and then Sony tells them if they need to change anything, and what they need to change can be a moving target.
If Sony actually had a detailed policy they provided to publishers there would be a lot less controversy.
The PS4 version of Million Arthur Arcana Blood has removed NICE CHINCHIN (thought it was just PC release, but it was the American version.)Mind telling me what games got affected by this crack down other than games promoting sexualized children? I can only think of one game that had a weird censorship which is DMC5 but I doubt it was done because Sony asked for it to be done.
I agree Sony should clarify their rules but at the very least something is being done against these games. I can't say the same for other platforms. If it means no more pedo content then I am fine with these rules, especially when many people seem to want this type of content which normalizes it.
Are scenes being censored or not? If not why are we having this discussion if they are at least they are doing something. If some devs think it's too much of a hassle to submit their games they are free to skip Sony's platform.Sony's not actually dealing with the problem though. They're just breeding ill will with smaller devs and pubs for the trouble and the objectionable content is getting through anyway.
the pedo content is still there, there's just some slight fog or light ray covering some parts of it in some games. these rules aren't stopping the content from existing. if sony actually had a policy of denying these games from being published on their platforms, then that would have been something you could respect.
Isn't this a contradiction though? If Sony is rejecting games then obviously there are guidelines.
Whether they're straightforward or not is usually how these things go, but when you start having arguments about what levels of child sexulization or sexual abuse is acceptable then you've lost the plot.
There have been public comments about them being aware that somethings acceptable in Japan are not acceptable internationally and trying to make them consistent which is how this whole thing started.
That's what they're doing. Steam and Nintendo are their go to's now.Are scenes being censored or not? If not why are we having this discussion if they are at least they are doing something. If some devs think it's too much of a hassle to submit their games they are free to skip Sony's platform.
Xenoblade 2 is Still incredibly referential with religion, they just used less known religious names except for stuff that just straight up says "God" or heaven or whathaveyouThen why did they remove most of the religious references typical of the Xeno-series from Xenoblade 2?
the pedo content is still there, there's just some slight fog or light ray covering some parts of it in some games. these rules aren't stopping the content from existing. if sony actually had a policy of denying these games from being published on their platforms, then that would have been something you could respect.
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The pedo content is still there! Why do people keep repeating this when it's clearly not the case? You can go on PSN right now and buy pretty much any Neptunia or Senran Kagura game if you wanted to.
I agree they need to clarify the guidelines, they definetly should do that as it would save too much time for everyone.The PS4 version of Million Arthur Arcana Blood has removed NICE CHINCHIN (thought it was just PC release, but it was the American version.)
The cover of SNK 40th Annivesary Collection with Athena (minute but also quite stupid given the legacy design)
are the ones that personally affect me, since I reckon you want a personal bias. I don't know much about the other games but the fact that people were mad about it, you talk to them about it and why they buy these games.
Plus, it doesn't matter if I have games to name or not. The fact it happened once is by all means irritating to me. I do not think this is a good stance. I do not like the lack of definition to the censorship but I also believe it shouldn't be there to begin with.I wasn't okay with Nintendo doing it forever ago up until now. The only time I'm okay with censorship is with Microsoft focusing on the external components outside of a game, such as voice chat to regulate communication.
At least satisfy me with set guidelines. At least give me that.
So problem solved. Great.That's what they're doing. Steam and Nintendo are their go to's now.
You know, I've had people tell me the Neptunia series is totally cool and I should play it.Quick reminder of the type of 'content' you are supporting if you are happy with this stance:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ed-ps4-version-censored.110987/#post-19751954
Censored pedophilia is still pedophilia. Purity rays and steam clouds aren't doing much, in some cases they even backfire and make the content more visually suggestive.Are scenes being censored or not? If not why are we having this discussion if they are at least they are doing something. If some devs think it's too much of a hassle to submit their games they are free to skip Sony's platform.
You know, I've had people tell me the Neptunia series is totally cool and I should play it.
After seeing that image, I want to stay as far away from that creepy shit as humanly possible.
Are scenes being censored or not? If not why are we having this discussion if they are at least they are doing something. If some devs think it's too much of a hassle to submit their games they are free to skip Sony's platform.
That's probably more like the studio doing it preemptively.Didn't Nintendo of America censor stuff from Fire Emblem somewhat recently? Its not like they don't self censor.
being happy about this stance isn't the same as supporting or liking that content. it's just that a platform holder shouldn't have that much power over the content that gets published on the platform. there are actual organization, acting according to law and objective rules, that decide that. if that content is not ok, they should lobby to change the laws and regulations.
Yeah no shit, if you censor a scene full of girls in tiny bikinis there is still gonna be a "sexual nature" afterwards, the only thing you could do to actually completely sensor it would be to have a full black screen.The edits vary wildly, from additional mist, to lights, to small adjustments to clothing etc. But the sexual nature of the scenes remains intact. This is what some of us have been saying for months but people have been acting like everyone who doesn't pat Sony on their back for their ineffectual policies is somehow in favour of pedo shit.
Yeah no shit, if you censor a scene full of girls in tiny bikinis there is still gonna be a "sexual nature" afterwards, the only thing you could do to actually completely sensor it would be to have a full black screen.
Yep. Funny how some people still don't understand that.Wtf ? They have all the power in the world to not allow games on their console, it's not a free market it's a closed eco-system.
Yep.
Yet people are still mad Sony is changing these games, hilarious.
Yet people are still mad Sony is changing these games, hilarious.
Look through this thread and see how many are annoyed and angry because of censorship vs the difficulty of submitting games and all the behind the scenes kinda stuff. But please let's end it here no point discussing this with you.You gotta be purposely obtuse to not get the issue after it's been spelled out to you so there's no point in continuing this conversation.