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I've been playing some of the 3DS BiS, and there are less contentious changes than in the prior remake. It's obvious that it would have disappointing sales even if it was an excellent all-new game, though a bit less so. So I'm not sure if it's fair to say that the series should be scrapped because of boring games while also holding up BiS as the best, which Alphadream seems to acknowledge (Plus the linear, minigame-centric DNA of the later games was sort of set by BiS, not that it can't be done well.)
It would be nice to see their animation skills applied to other things as well, of course. But I'm not sure what bankable Nintendo properties are as suited to their style as Mario. Until we hear a definite, the prognostication that either Mario spinoff series will be discontinued remains wishful(?) thinking among the diehard fans.
It would be nice to see their animation skills applied to other things as well, of course. But I'm not sure what bankable Nintendo properties are as suited to their style as Mario. Until we hear a definite, the prognostication that either Mario spinoff series will be discontinued remains wishful(?) thinking among the diehard fans.
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I can understand the port complaints to a certain degree but I don't think it's quite as simple. Ports such as Mario Kart 8 DX, Tropical Freeze and NSMBUDX serve to 1. extend the lifetime of those games beyond the failure of the Wii U and 2. to let those development teams work on different things. The theories that one game cannot appear on a system just because another is on it seem a bit farfetched and we've seen similar statements over and over again. Why make a 2D Zelda game when you can have 3D Zelda? Why make a 2D Mario when you can have Mario Maker? Nintendo releases tons of games that feel "redundant" to people (especially 2D ones, for some "weird" reason).
In the end, we used to get a new Mario Kart every 3 years for a very long time and I'd argue most didn't approach the level of quality and content found in MK8DX. Other series don't get nearly this many entries. Yabuki worked on three Mario Kart games before he was finally able to do something new. Other teams at EPD don't get that chance at all. That's why I find these complaints a bit backwards. Instead of looking at these ports as a nice little extra, the first impulse is always to think that people are being robbed of something. It's the same weird attitude people have towards Smash characters they don't like.
In the end, we used to get a new Mario Kart every 3 years for a very long time and I'd argue most didn't approach the level of quality and content found in MK8DX. Other series don't get nearly this many entries. Yabuki worked on three Mario Kart games before he was finally able to do something new. Other teams at EPD don't get that chance at all. That's why I find these complaints a bit backwards. Instead of looking at these ports as a nice little extra, the first impulse is always to think that people are being robbed of something. It's the same weird attitude people have towards Smash characters they don't like.
It's not really a good comparison to smash characters. If MK8D wasn't ported, we would get a brand new mk on the switch. Now there might not be one for like 5 years on the switch 2. That's a decade of mk8 for people that had it on the wii u. It's fair for people that had a wii u and most games to look at the situation.
The games ported from the WiiU are sometimes not small series, there are some big ones as well; Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, apparently Pikmin... If it means no new entries for the next 4-5 years, there will be legitimate reasons to be upset. I don't think anyone would have issues if the ports were stuff like Capitan Todd for which fewer people are craving for a new game.
Though my bet is Mario Kart 9 in 2020, and (brace yourself, new bet) Donkey Kong 2021.
Though my bet is Mario Kart 9 in 2020, and (brace yourself, new bet) Donkey Kong 2021.
Well yeah, games keep delaying all the time and in same case getting rebooted,
talking about Pikmin 4 specifically, game was never officially announced by Nintendo, so hardly we can say there was miscommunication or shitshow with Pikmin 4.
And yes, already announced and rumored games for this year clearly show quite big number of games in any case.
talking about Pikmin 4 specifically, game was never officially announced by Nintendo, so hardly we can say there was miscommunication or shitshow with Pikmin 4.
And yes, already announced and rumored games for this year clearly show quite big number of games in any case.
Mario kart isn't comparable to other series, it sells more than anything. You can't compare like botw coming out 6 years after ss for obvious reasons. 10 years of one racing game that doesn't get any new content on the port in terms of tracks is just lame. The switch itself is great, I love it as hardware overall, but it kind of is vita-ish in some ways. I just don't get why there has to be a decade between mario karts of all series.
I'm only disputing the notion that ports are a net negative. In general, I find the idea that we'd suddenly be getting new entries if it weren't for those ports kind of ludicrous because it presupposes a series of hypotheticals that couldn't be further removed from reality. The Wii U bombed, many of the games on it weren't close to reaching their sales potential, Nintendo is trying to make the best out of it and that's really it.
People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...
People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...
I'm only disputing the notion that ports are a net negative. In general, I find the idea that we'd suddenly be getting new entries if it weren't for those ports kind of ludicrous because it presupposes a series of hypotheticals that couldn't be further removed from reality. The Wii U bombed, many of the games on it weren't close to reaching their sales potential, Nintendo is trying to make the best out of it and that's really it.
People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...
People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...
The whole discussion assumes that the ports come in place of a new game. In Bayonetta's case, for example, we know this is not the case. MPT and Pikmin 3 are likely the same. I imagine stuff like HW2 and
I don't think a MK9 is coming to the Switch, but I also don't think it makes sense. You can wring your hands all you want, but I'd much rather the devs got to work on stuff they enjoy like ARMS/Splatoon/LABO than being forced to come up with another new gimmick for console Mario Kart because fans don't think it's fair they're not getting a new entry for an extra few years.
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It sounds like the MP4 reboot decision may have been made early in November or late October, which is when they decided they needed to recruit an art director. This decision was probably made around the same time their previous project wrapped up development, which is why the previous art director (Vince) left a couple months later.
I think this all points pretty strongly to their current game being done.
I'd say that your detective hat might have at least a speculation sash but I hope you're right :p
If we assume that the other high-profile exits were due to cancellations, it feels weird that Joly would only leave months later after MP4 was supposedly moved to Retro. It seems that something was cooking for a while and the timeline of events certainly lines up with your theory. I hope we find out what happened with their previous project by E3 at the latest.
If we assume that the other high-profile exits were due to cancellations, it feels weird that Joly would only leave months later after MP4 was supposedly moved to Retro. It seems that something was cooking for a while and the timeline of events certainly lines up with your theory. I hope we find out what happened with their previous project by E3 at the latest.
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