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Nintendo-First Party Thread |OT2| New Year. New Mii.

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the best path for AlphaDream would be to use WarioWare. It's a franchise with lots of funny charming characters, and it's not so big that the world is controlled like Mario's is.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If IS somehow hasn't started paper mario switch yet, I wonder if Nintendo would make them turn it into an rpg again looking at the downward slope of mario and luigi sales.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The underground info about Nintendo's line up accounts for most of the EPD Production groups except Sakamato and Production Group No.7. Something 2D Metroid / Tomodachi / Rhythm Tengoku has to surface by year's end. I hope.
Is there any way updating the OP with that info makes sense, or should we wait until it's confirmed?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If IS somehow hasn't started paper mario switch yet, I wonder if Nintendo would make them turn it into an rpg again looking at the downward slope of mario and luigi sales.
I’m sure after the reception of SS and CS they’ve been developing a Paper Mario rpg game again. IS is big enough to have been working on it years ago.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I’m sure after the reception of SS and CS they’ve been developing a Paper Mario rpg game again. IS is big enough to have been working on it years ago.
Well we've been over this before, but they said they were going in a new direction before, and that mario and luigi was the mario rpg series so tht paper mario didn't have to be.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We already got that with BotW.
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i want a turn based rpg with the champions being playable with each being their own class

If IS somehow hasn't started paper mario switch yet, I wonder if Nintendo would make them turn it into an rpg again looking at the downward slope of mario and luigi sales.
I honestly think Nintendo will retire Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario for something fresh
 
Dec 11, 2018
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Oh..
So after FE and Yoshi delays, the metroid debacle.. We have also a pikmin shitshow here?

So much for their hybrid hardware that should increase the number of brand new releases merging the portable and jome development pipeline..
It happens a lot in videogames development. And we don't have much details about this reboot. Maybe it was a wiiu game and they had to change things for Switch release...who knows ? 2019 is shaping up to be a very good year so I don't really see your point.
 
Apr 26, 2018
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I've been playing some of the 3DS BiS, and there are less contentious changes than in the prior remake. It's obvious that it would have disappointing sales even if it was an excellent all-new game, though a bit less so. So I'm not sure if it's fair to say that the series should be scrapped because of boring games while also holding up BiS as the best, which Alphadream seems to acknowledge (Plus the linear, minigame-centric DNA of the later games was sort of set by BiS, not that it can't be done well.)

It would be nice to see their animation skills applied to other things as well, of course. But I'm not sure what bankable Nintendo properties are as suited to their style as Mario. Until we hear a definite, the prognostication that either Mario spinoff series will be discontinued remains wishful(?) thinking among the diehard fans.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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likely. his most successful stuff has been anything that's not Metroid and those are usually new IPs
I mean, it seems like metroid 5 for the switch is already being made right now, most likely under mercury steam. Depending on how that does, he could do another 2d game after that, or another remake like super metroid or fusion, or something else if it doesn't sell that good.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Which is why I feel that the argument people use that says “ports don’t affect the release of new games” to people who complain about them isn’t entirely true. I’m generally not against ports at all, and even welcome the possibility of a select few more Wii U ports, but Nintendo more or less has treated the Wii U ports to the Switch as brand new games in their respective franchises. Don’t expect a brand new Mario Kart on the Switch, nor a 2D Mario that’s not Mario Maker 2. Heck, I’d say even the chances of a new DK game is slim.

I guess it’s just the reality when we’re coming off of a failed system that nobody bought. These technically are “new games” for the vast majority of people. Sucks for Wii U owners though.
I can understand the port complaints to a certain degree but I don't think it's quite as simple. Ports such as Mario Kart 8 DX, Tropical Freeze and NSMBUDX serve to 1. extend the lifetime of those games beyond the failure of the Wii U and 2. to let those development teams work on different things. The theories that one game cannot appear on a system just because another is on it seem a bit farfetched and we've seen similar statements over and over again. Why make a 2D Zelda game when you can have 3D Zelda? Why make a 2D Mario when you can have Mario Maker? Nintendo releases tons of games that feel "redundant" to people (especially 2D ones, for some "weird" reason).

In the end, we used to get a new Mario Kart every 3 years for a very long time and I'd argue most didn't approach the level of quality and content found in MK8DX. Other series don't get nearly this many entries. Yabuki worked on three Mario Kart games before he was finally able to do something new. Other teams at EPD don't get that chance at all. That's why I find these complaints a bit backwards. Instead of looking at these ports as a nice little extra, the first impulse is always to think that people are being robbed of something. It's the same weird attitude people have towards Smash characters they don't like.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I can understand the port complaints to a certain degree but I don't think it's quite as simple. Ports such as Mario Kart 8 DX, Tropical Freeze and NSMBUDX serve to 1. extend the lifetime of those games beyond the failure of the Wii U and 2. to let those development teams work on different things. The theories that one game cannot appear on a system just because another is on it seem a bit farfetched and we've seen similar statements over and over again. Why make a 2D Zelda game when you can have 3D Zelda? Why make a 2D Mario when you can have Mario Maker? Nintendo releases tons of games that feel "redundant" to people (especially 2D ones, for some "weird" reason).

In the end, we used to get a new Mario Kart every 3 years for a very long time and I'd argue most didn't approach the level of quality and content found in MK8DX. Other series don't get nearly this many entries. Yabuki worked on three Mario Kart games before he was finally able to do something new. Other teams at EPD don't get that chance at all. That's why I find these complaints a bit backwards. Instead of looking at these ports as a nice little extra, the first impulse is always to think that people are being robbed of something. It's the same weird attitude people have towards Smash characters they don't like.
It's not really a good comparison to smash characters. If MK8D wasn't ported, we would get a brand new mk on the switch. Now there might not be one for like 5 years on the switch 2. That's a decade of mk8 for people that had it on the wii u. It's fair for people that had a wii u and most games to look at the situation.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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The games ported from the WiiU are sometimes not small series, there are some big ones as well; Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, apparently Pikmin... If it means no new entries for the next 4-5 years, there will be legitimate reasons to be upset. I don't think anyone would have issues if the ports were stuff like Capitan Todd for which fewer people are craving for a new game.
Though my bet is Mario Kart 9 in 2020, and (brace yourself, new bet) Donkey Kong 2021.
 

Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey are among the worst-selling Mario games of all time in Japan. With dire 3DS software numbers like these, it's clear why Nintendo is doing a Switch Mini before a Switch Pro.
Oh dear, what a shame -- - it's a solid remake despite its missteps (I dig most of the background rework, but Bowser's sprite feels lifeless).

I love my 3DSes to death, but between this and WarioWare Gold, it's definitely past its expiration date.
 
Dec 5, 2017
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Man.. If thry will really release pikmin 3...I will be infuriated.
It would be such a joke after all the pikmin 4 miscommunication.

Oh..
So after FE and Yoshi delays, the metroid debacle.. We have also a pikmin shitshow here?

So much for their hybrid hardware that should increase the number of brand new releases merging the portable and jome development pipeline..
Well yeah, games keep delaying all the time and in same case getting rebooted,
talking about Pikmin 4 specifically, game was never officially announced by Nintendo, so hardly we can say there was miscommunication or shitshow with Pikmin 4.

And yes, already announced and rumored games for this year clearly show quite big number of games in any case.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, it seems like metroid 5 for the switch is already being made right now, most likely under mercury steam. Depending on how that does, he could do another 2d game after that, or another remake like super metroid or fusion, or something else if it doesn't sell that good.
Nintendo's producers work on more than one game at a time, as he most likely did with Samus Returns. producing Metroid 5 and, say, a new IP and/or Rhythm Heaven isn't out of the question
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's not really a good comparison to smash characters. If MK8D wasn't ported, we would get a brand new mk on the switch. Now there might not be one for like 5 years on the switch 2. That's a decade of mk8 for people that had it on the wii u. It's fair for people that had a wii u and most games to look at the situation.
Yes, and some Nintendo series don't get sequels for more than a decade and some don't get sequels ever. It happens. It's not like there is never going to be a new Mario Kart.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, and some Nintendo series don't get sequels for more than a decade and some don't get sequels ever. It happens. It's not like there is never going to be a new Mario Kart.
Mario kart isn't comparable to other series, it sells more than anything. You can't compare like botw coming out 6 years after ss for obvious reasons. 10 years of one racing game that doesn't get any new content on the port in terms of tracks is just lame. The switch itself is great, I love it as hardware overall, but it kind of is vita-ish in some ways. I just don't get why there has to be a decade between mario karts of all series.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Mario kart isn't comparable to other series, it sells more than anything. You can't compare like botw coming out 6 years after ss for obvious reasons. 10 years of one racing game that doesn't get any new content on the port in terms of tracks is just lame. The switch itself is great, I love it as hardware overall, but it kind of is vita-ish in some ways.
It's funny you bring up sales because those are exactly the reason why we aren't getting a new one any time soon.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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So you admit it's fair to say that people that go against wii u ports have a valid reason?
I'm only disputing the notion that ports are a net negative. In general, I find the idea that we'd suddenly be getting new entries if it weren't for those ports kind of ludicrous because it presupposes a series of hypotheticals that couldn't be further removed from reality. The Wii U bombed, many of the games on it weren't close to reaching their sales potential, Nintendo is trying to make the best out of it and that's really it.

People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...
 
Mar 18, 2018
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I'm only disputing the notion that ports are a net negative. In general, I find the idea that we'd suddenly be getting new entries if it weren't for those ports kind of ludicrous because it presupposes a series of hypotheticals that couldn't be further removed from reality. The Wii U bombed, many of the games on it weren't close to reaching their sales potential, Nintendo is trying to make the best out of it and that's really it.

People wanting things is obviously fair but it's also like...

The whole discussion assumes that the ports come in place of a new game. In Bayonetta's case, for example, we know this is not the case. MPT and Pikmin 3 are likely the same. I imagine stuff like HW2 and

I don't think a MK9 is coming to the Switch, but I also don't think it makes sense. You can wring your hands all you want, but I'd much rather the devs got to work on stuff they enjoy like ARMS/Splatoon/LABO than being forced to come up with another new gimmick for console Mario Kart because fans don't think it's fair they're not getting a new entry for an extra few years.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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JOB DATE: NOVEMBER 12, 2018

His Linkedin indicates his tenure there ended January 2019.
If I put on my detective hat for a moment:

It sounds like the MP4 reboot decision may have been made early in November or late October, which is when they decided they needed to recruit an art director. This decision was probably made around the same time their previous project wrapped up development, which is why the previous art director (Vince) left a couple months later.

I think this all points pretty strongly to their current game being done.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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If I put on my detective hat for a moment:

It sounds like the MP4 reboot decision may have been made early in November or late October, which is when they decided they needed to recruit an art director. This decision was probably made around the same time their previous project wrapped up development, which is why the previous art director (Vince) left a couple months later.

I think this all points pretty strongly to their current game being done.
It's what we're all hoping. At this point I don't really care whether it's Star Fox, Donkey Kong, or something else. Just give it to me already lol.
 
Jan 23, 2019
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Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey are among the worst-selling Mario games of all time in Japan. With dire 3DS software numbers like these, it's clear why Nintendo is doing a Switch Mini before a Switch Pro.
I don't know what they expected selling a box labelled "dead console do not play"
 
Oct 26, 2017
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If I put on my detective hat for a moment:

It sounds like the MP4 reboot decision may have been made early in November or late October, which is when they decided they needed to recruit an art director. This decision was probably made around the same time their previous project wrapped up development, which is why the previous art director (Vince) left a couple months later.

I think this all points pretty strongly to their current game being done.
I'd say that your detective hat might have at least a speculation sash but I hope you're right :p

If we assume that the other high-profile exits were due to cancellations, it feels weird that Joly would only leave months later after MP4 was supposedly moved to Retro. It seems that something was cooking for a while and the timeline of events certainly lines up with your theory. I hope we find out what happened with their previous project by E3 at the latest.
 
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