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Nintendo interrupts Smash Online Invitational Qualifiers commentary to defend its netcode
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An old SMS message caps out at 140 bytes yes. A text message on any modern platform (e.g. iMessage) is "Several Thousand Kilobytes" due to encryption + metadata.
The reason that's now sustainable is due to advances in network speed + capacity.
I mean, Nintendo needs to get better at this but I'm playing on Wifi and have rarely had issues. Mostly if it's a 4 player match and someone drops after being eliminated, then it can really stutter, but generally quite smooth otherwise.
oh sure, let's harass someone for no reason at all because of a silly statement
That's pretty petty TBH, even though that comment is really silly and not at all right it doesn't seem like a reason to poke fun of the user forever for. Please tell me this community is better than that
Developers were doing it fine 10 years ago. They're still doing it fine today. Please stop defending this kind of incompetence.
Funny you mention Sony Smash because the online (which was free online btw) was miles better than any Smash game, with a shoestring budget and green developers.
Or maybe I just responded to a parody post, I dunno.
The VOD will presumably be based on replays and replays don't show lag. As in, a smooth replay does not mean a smooth match.
They're just being dishonest.
In Smash, your knockback is literally calculated by your health.
So? The physics are not transferred over the internet, only button inputs are and rollback states. This doesn't change anything.
Maybe like 5% my matches are laggy in Canada playing with an overpriced 50mbps internet connection
I mean, I've played about 300 matches and never had anything like the lag in the video. At least now I understand why some people complain.
This is a fucking good post man, I'm glad I opened this thread
You are reading too much into it, it's not a official statement, it's probably just an ad-lib from the host to make the show run smoothly after the stream was cut.
He probably was told there was a problem in the stream, not in the game itself.
Of course I can't be sure, but the probability is higher than him "defending its netcode lol".
Never tried to say it's not an issue, just that you guys are blowing it out of proportions.
And you indeed are, just reading at the reactions in this thread and in every Nintendo Online thread, where people regularly shit on it
for whatever reason. The issue happened only once.
There is no way of knowing it the "netcode" is bad as people proclaim, since most of the time slowdowns happens because of people slow connections. If you regularly have lag and slowdowns, sorry to say, it's probably you.
What if you regularly have slowdowns, but other games, including other platform fighters/Smash clones or even emulated Smash games works fine using the same connection?! What's the issue then?!
This "can't know if it's the netcode" is the stupidest line of corporate apologizing I've seen in a while, it's so ridiculous, it was probably started as a troll and got picked up by those who didn't know any better!
This "can't know if it's the netcode" is the stupidest line of corporate apologizing I've seen in a while, it's so ridiculous, it was probably started as a troll and got picked up by those who didn't know any better!
Doing Official Open Online Tournaments in fighting games is the dumbest idea ever, at least 11 out of 10 times publishers end up doing bad publicity for their games, either because their netcode is terrible, players don't have the culture of online gaming in FG, cheaters find ways to increase lag in the games or a combination of all of them. Nintendo doesn't really needed to create this tournament since the bad publicity wouldn't be worthy.
In that regard, Nintendo should push for the competitive scene of Smash, but I have heard from some friends who are into the Pokemon scene that either Nintendo or The Pokemon Company are not that much into supporting competitive gaming since they don't want to make their games too "hardcore" with the fear that they will scare the casuals away. I have a hard time believing this, but from Nintendo at this point I expect anything
In that regard, Nintendo should push for the competitive scene of Smash, but I have heard from some friends who are into the Pokemon scene that either Nintendo or The Pokemon Company are not that much into supporting competitive gaming since they don't want to make their games too "hardcore" with the fear that they will scare the casuals away. I have a hard time believing this, but from Nintendo at this point I expect anything
Yes you can know if netcode is bad. Just boot another game and compare how it deals with connection issues with how Smash does it.
Enlighten me, what make it so bad then?
Because my Smash deals with lag slowing down the game for both players, eliminating eventual unfair advantages and seamlessly (except for a bit of reconnection attempt) switch to similarly leveled CPU if the other party disconnects.
Those seem like solid design choices, especially after the complaints about desyncing the two players with AI when network issues arise, leading to times when both players could win the match without the other knowing. (I believe it was Street Fighter but I'm not sure about it)
I know people are having legit issues, but honestly I play like 30 matches online a night and almost never get a laggy one (1v1s). Maybe 1ish a night on average?
What are these eventual unfair advantages? Which fighting games deal with lag in such a way that only one player is lagging?
Nintendo gives us the honor of their online we should be grateful it allows us to add people.
I don't know? But other online games just let the lagging players lag, and the non lagging players watch them drifting away against walls or something.
Smite and most MMOs I played were like that.
Now, do you know what's so bad about Smash netcode?
At least they give you the glorious option of downloading a smartphone app to talk to your unworthy friends.
I know that there is something wrong with the online because it's bad enough that my brother no longer even attempts to use it. The only game he could or wants to play online for the Switch and he can't be arsed.
No one needs to know the exact issue in their awful code. No one even needs to know if the issue is not the code itself but that Nintendo created a console that needs a goddamn adapter to have a stable connection, leaving the vast majority of potential opponents as ticking time bombs waiting to blow up any fun you might have online.
All we know is the end product feels like shit.
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I'm pretty sure the videos in the OP speak for themselves.
Why are you bringing up server based MOBA and MMO? How is that relevant to how a p2p fighting game handles lag?
I'm pretty sure they don't, but thanks for your priceless contribution in helping me understand the issue and not being a troll at all.
Because as I said, I don't know about other fighting games.
If you do, why don't you say something instead of avoiding my question by asking leading questions back?
Those games are server based, your connection is to the server not other players while playing online, if another player lag, it does not affect you long as your connection is fine with the server.
Fighting games has to be P2P, your connection is directly to the other player, when one connection is bad, it's gonna be awful on both ends, unless the issue is from a netcode bug(one player rollbacks, or desynce issues).
10 years ago? Which Developers? What are you talking about?
The worst people try to just call people incompetence. It's the "lazy developers" retorick. Nobody wants to create a bad product or have people encounter a bad experience. So either there is a problem with time, budget, planing, unseen consequences or it is a hard challenge, where they found the best solution in there limitations.
I know that, what I still don't understand, and everyone refuses to explain, is why Smash netcode is supposedly so godawful compared to other fighting games.
As I said I don't have any other metrics except what I read about (what I believe was) Street Fighter, that allows the two players to be desynced filling the gaps with AI (and that was critiqued quite a bit too, since it allowed both players to win/lose the same fight without the other realizing).
No one bohered saying wich games do it right and why, and how Smash is different from it, in a coherent way.
All I got were joke answers and leading questions.
Honestly, I'm more and more convinced this is just another "Nintendo is DOOMED" level meme.