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Nintendo is updating the original Switch with a new CPU and storage
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The only way that there would be no improvement to power or battery is if the larger switch uses the same size battery as the lite, if it's the same size battery as og switch power or battery will have to be increased, one or the other
Care to explain? If this uses a chip that has 30-40% higher efficiency how can it possibly show no improvement in either battery life or performance (or both)?
Efficiency could be just use to keep the heat down and use a small fan. There have been plenty of news soc's on past consoles that were more efficient and did no result in better performance
If it generates less heat and uses a smaller fan then it will use less power. Which means better battery life. I'm aware that die shrinks don't always result in better performance but for stationary consoles battery life isn't a factor.
This isn't really debatable here, this is simple thermodynamics. Either this SoC results in higher battery life, higher performance, a combination of those, or they use a smaller battery. If any of those happen they will need to disclose it and formally announce it.
Stationary home consoles don't run off a battery. If there's no additional performance, the battery life will shoot way up.
Looking at Emily's many posts on the subject in this thread, you will know you're buying the revised Switch because it will come in at least two new colors. So if Nintendo announces Neon Orange and Neon Purple Switches this fall, ding ding ding
This is exactly what Emily is saying will happen, yep!
The wording of the tweet is poor due to translation, it's not "you would be wrong to think it's a Pro and [also wrong to think] the cheaper version looks like the Vita" it should be read as "You would be wrong to think it's a Pro. Also, the cheaper version looks like the Vita"
No, they will say, "Here are two new colors for the Nintendo Switch" and maybe add "we have increased the internal storage as well" and crazy fucks like us on message boards will go "oh shit that's the revision" and everyone else in the world will go "cool new colors and more storage" and we'll all enjoy the slightly better battery life and larger internal storage of the new Switch revision.
lol no they don't. You are forgetting this is the same company that just lists their firmware updates as " stability" no matters what changes
Another thing no one has talked about is docked mode, let's say Nintendo keeps the clocks low so this revised model has 4.5 - 5 hr battery life
Battery life doesn't matter when docked though so what reason would they have to not use the max clock of the new efficient chip when it's docked?
Battery life doesn't matter when docked though so what reason would they have to not use the max clock of the new efficient chip when it's docked?
You think they will let consumers have a performance or battery life lottery? That kinda sounds like a PR disaster. Generally companies like letting people know what they are buying.
They might use the more efficient chip to keep the heat and noise down of the fan. This is Nintendo remember.
Wouldn't be a lottery because the og switch wouldn't be produced after this and you would be able to tell which switch by the color.
It wouldn't be any louder than the current switch which barely makes any noise now
The reason would be not forcing developers to support a new docked profile.
I could see them offering a new optional docked profile but games would still need to run on the OG Switch so developers would have to target the original docked profile in addition to these theoretical new ones.
If this revision just has a minor boost to handheld performance (like, most games use 460MHz in handheld mode) and battery life then I doubt they'll change anything for docked mode.
When the CPU gets more efficient, battery life goes up. You'll note that the Switch Lite is managing longer battery life than the current model with a notably smaller battery. Put that CPU in the bigger Switch form factor and at the current clocks and the battery life goes way up.
Where did I say it would be louder? And the noise of the fan depends on the game just like it does on ps4.
Right, and if there are new colors they will have to officially announce it... That's what I'm saying.
People have been trying to argue that this could be a stealth revision with no indication that it's a different model. I'm saying that isn't going to happen.
Of course they will announced the colors but they may not announce a slightly better battery or performance. Especially performance.
Also they may not state its a different model other than it having more storage.
So the people that don't like the new colors will think they are getting the exact same battery life with the old colors when they go to buy a switch? Lol
The battery life on the lite is only 30mins to an hr difference...
I would like to know that if I was deciding between 4 colors of the same model
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lol ok. Like I said. If this is replacing the og model the og will be discontinued with discounts on the old colors anyway so its not like they are gonna be the same price
I never said they have to announce that it has better battery life or performance. Just that it has to be officially announced as a distinct product.
Yes but that has a 20% smaller battery. The battery life gains would be notably larger in a Switch with the same battery size as the OG.
lol what makes you think they won't use they would use the same size battery in a newer switch? If anything they will use the same battery they use in the lite since the screen will still be 720p. I think you guys are missing the point of a more effecient and smaller soc.
Yeah that's interesting, maybe just clocked down for compatibility, or if they have a weaker cooling system?
Which is like a 20% boost, on a battery 80% of the power capacity of the original. So, if they are refreshing the original Switch with this new chip (to streamline production / economy of scale), either they're lowering battery capacity while preserving power and battery life (which should make it lighter in the hands), or they're increasing the power, or they're increasing battery life. Probably by something more like 30%, if it's the same efficiency increase on the same size battery as the OG switch.
Personally hoping for more power, but yeah.
Why are you guys assuming they would use the same size battery again?
I find it very hard to believe that they'd substantially increase the performance or battery life without telling people. Both of those, battery life in particular, would make very appealing marketing bullet points.
Not filling all available space with battery would be a very odd hardware design move.
Well, this has me (slightly) rethinking my Switch purchase. And I was just feeling pretty good about jumping before the Switch lite.
Well, I'll keep my eye on this, I guess.
Well, I'll keep my eye on this, I guess.
Yeah it's silly. Only thing I can think of is it really is a big die shrunk and they will get big performance gains when they up clocks. Maybe they wait and have the new switch get updated holiday next year around time of the other new consoles....🤷🏾♂️ It makes no sense which means it's Nintendo being Nintendo
If they use a smaller one, then it will be lighter, which is also a benefit, just a different one.
The only way we could wind up with a basically-identical version is if they use a smaller battery with the new chip, then also add some weights for no reason. In any case, it would be good to be able to identify the "better Switches", and calling it "New Switch" or something would at least offer that.
You'd be able to identify them by the new colors and they fact they aren't on sale or coming with extras like the old ones about to be discontinued.
This is probably what will happen.
I really would like a Switch Pro though...
The SoC in this is probably going to be physically smaller, which should free up some space. More memory would also move the needle way away from it being a silent revision.
They started patching the important bits on newly manufactured Switches like a year ago.
Eh, I doubt it, unless the current Switch battery is excessively expensive. Using an identically sized battery would lead to worse battery life than the Lite due to the larger screen, and I don't think they'll do that for a higher priced device releasing later.
I do wonder if they'll make the cooling solution smaller, though. If they're targeting the same performance it should run a fair bit cooler. That extra space could be used for... something.
I never said they couldn't use a smaller battery. Please read what I've been saying in this conversation.
If they use a smaller battery then they will have to announce that, since they list the battery size for the Switch on their official website at 4310mAh. If that changes for this revision it will need a new category there.
Not too mention the weight will change, again requiring an update on the website.
My entire argument is that they will need to officially announce this new revision as a product at least somewhat distinct from the original Switch. I have not claimed anything more than that.
Edit: and you seem to agree if you think it will launch with different colors.
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Yeah, I'm wondering if the rumours of the "Switch Pro" are really just this.
Switch Lite, late 2019.
Switch revision, this, with updated SoC, extra storage, better battery, fundamentally the same system overall but with a handful of QoL improvements.
Switch Pro / 2, much later down the track (2021?), as a proper successor.
Switch Lite, late 2019.
Switch revision, this, with updated SoC, extra storage, better battery, fundamentally the same system overall but with a handful of QoL improvements.
Switch Pro / 2, much later down the track (2021?), as a proper successor.
What if they just updated the specs on their website without doing an official announcement?
Like, you're not expecting them to make a new YouTube video or even a tweet that says the official switch is now 12 grams lighter or whatever?
A lot of people here seems confused. This is the Switch Pro. It was always only a codename used for when Switch moved from Tegra X1 to Mariko. We'll be getting the performance upgrades we hoped for. Bigger built in memory is just a nice bonus in my book.
Day 1 for me! Super excited.
Day 1 for me! Super excited.
More performance will be nice if that happens but I'm more interested in external changes like larger screen with less bezel, im worried it's going to be the exact same screen and exact same bezel
Yeah it's ugly as hell but I think they will keep it. Even the Lite has the same style bezel just with a different colour. =[
Switch Lite full specs
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Just to quell Switch Lite specs discussion, we do have the full specs listed here, provided by Gamespot.
The Switch Lite battery capacity is smaller than OG Switch, at 3570mAh. OG Switch is 4310mAh.
The Switch Lite battery capacity is smaller than OG Switch, at 3570mAh. OG Switch is 4310mAh.
They can't just update the specs on their website because those specs aren't true for the original Switch. They will have to have some sort of differentiation between the original and this new one. Even a simple "Battery size: 4310mAh (2017 model), 3650mAh* (2019 model)".
*Just pulling an arbitrary number out of my ass.
Those aren't specs, or rather those aren't tech specs. I don't see anything remotely useful for figuring out what's powering it from the info provided.