Nintendo is updating the original Switch with a new CPU and storage

Eslayer

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The PS4 slim went through as a new device, not as a revision request.
Doesn't Switch getting a more efficient SoC effectively make it a new device meaning it has to go through as one? Or I guess it just means that's how Nintendo views it and it's up to the FCC to grant that request?
 

MXT

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Doesn't Switch getting a more efficient SoC effectively make it a new device meaning it has to go through as one? Or I guess it just means that's how Nintendo views it and it's up to the FCC to grant that request
In my eyes, I think running it through as a new device would be appropriate, but clearly Nintendo disagrees. You can do changes to the SOC as a device revision, it's just somewhat rare. Device revisions are usually stuff like 'Broadcom discontinued the Wifi chip we were using, we are revising this product to use a different chip'.
 

SuperL

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This makes sense. No point in updating the CPU for the mini-Switch while leaving the old, outmoded CPU in the OG switch.

Nintendo has done this before; They discreetly gave the Game Boy Advance SP a backlit screen around the same time as the DS and the Game Boy Micro. It was treated as the same model, with the addition only worthy of a blurb on the box.
 

Eslayer

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In my eyes, I think running it through as a new device would be appropriate, but clearly Nintendo disagrees. You can do changes to the SOC as a device revision, it's just somewhat rare. Device revisions are usually stuff like 'Broadcom discontinued the Wifi chip we were using, we are revising this product to use a different chip'.
Gotcha, thank you for your input! I have a better understanding now.
 

skittzo0413

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This makes sense. No point in updating the CPU for the mini-Switch while leaving the old, outmoded CPU in the OG switch.

Nintendo has done this before; They discreetly gave the Game Boy Advance SP a backlit screen around the same time as the DS and the Game Boy Micro. It was treated as the same model, with the addition only worthy of a blurb on the box.
Yeah you know what, it could easily be something like this:



But read "Now with a longer battery life!"
 

bmfrosty

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Right, I understand it might be a bit weird to actually implement the change on a firmware level but like you said I'm sure it would work. Hackers do it fine.

I'm more curious if you think the thermals will support that well enough. The dream of course is to get 768MHz in portable mode but I think defaulting to the highest current portable mode profile is a fairly simple and achievable first step.
I think on the 2017 SoC, it probably wouldn't support the thermals for boost mode all the time. I think on the 2019 SoC, it probably would.

Changing the minimum clocks would probably affect the battery life enough for them to have some hesitation.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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Nvidia PR doesn't know shit about shit. The tweet was just wrong, it shouldn't be used to speculate about Nintendo's plans.
Not saying
Yeah you know what, it could easily be something like this:



But read "Now with a longer battery life!"
This is what I've been saying. They'll release with some new colours, better battery life and or storage as the main selling points or at least what they focus on with the packaging and marketing. Same model, improved components.

I feel using the term Pro is muddying things too much as that would suggest a more significant upgrade and an entirely new model altogether.
 

Daneel_O

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This would be like if Apple released 2 iPhone 10’s,
they both had the same name
they both looked the same
and they both were the same price

But one was better than the other

It makes no sense
Except they do it all the time with their iMac and MacBook lines? I think they just silently upgraded their MacBook Air 13'' which, guess what, it's still called MacBook Air 13'' and looks exactly the same.

I don't see the point in making comparisons, there is most certainly a way to roll out a revision of the "Nintendo Switch" with whatever changes they have in store in a way that it's clear to the consumer.
You are all acting like this revision is already in stores and we have to hunt the new ones!
 

Foorbits

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This would be like if Apple released 2 iPhone 10’s,
they both had the same name
they both looked the same
and they both were the same price

But one was better than the other

It makes no sense
They did this with Apple Watch. When they released Series 2, they upgraded Series 1 watches. Old Series 1 watches became dubbed series 0.
 

skittzo0413

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I think on the 2017 SoC, it probably wouldn't support the thermals for boost mode all the time. I think on the 2019 SoC, it probably would.

Changing the minimum clocks would probably affect the battery life enough for them to have some hesitation.
The 2017 one already supports 460MHz all the time for games like BotW, Mario Odyssey and MK11.

Also according to homebrew folks it supports 768MHz fine too, just with less battery life (less than/around 2 hours).

Now with 64GB of Storage!
Now in new colors!

It's a differentiator. Not my preference, but it's there.
Are we taking the "Change of NAND Memory type" to mean they're using more storage, or to mean it's a different type of storage (i.e. faster storage)? Or potentially both?
 

bmfrosty

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The 2017 one already supports 460MHz all the time for games like BotW, Mario Odyssey and MK11.

Also according to homebrew folks it supports 768MHz fine too, just with less battery life (less than/around 2 hours).
I thought we were basically talking about the 2017 SoC supporting full time boost mode docked. I don't think the cooling would be enough. It is a guess.

I think the 2019 SoC would support full time boost mode docked thermally.


Are we taking the "Change of NAND Memory type" to mean they're using more storage, or to mean it's a different type of storage (i.e. faster storage)? Or potentially both?
Potentially both. I think that bigger memory is much more likely thing to be advertised on the box.
 

skittzo0413

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I thought we were basically talking about the 2017 SoC supporting full time boost mode docked. I don't think the cooling would be enough. It is a guess.

I think the 2019 SoC would support full time boost mode docked thermally.
I was asking about the 2019 SoC supporting 460MHz undocked all the time. And potentially supporting 768MHz undocked too. Not docked.

What do you mean by boost mode docked? The CPU at 1785MHz?
 

Dreaver

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Haven't read all the pages so...

...Can we still expect a "pro" Switch this year (af far as we know based on leaks and rumors) or is this the "speculated" pro?
Wanting to buy a Switch, but not in a hurry... but if this is the new model for at least until the end of the year, I'll grab one.
 

BlueManifest

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Haven't read all the pages so...

...Can we still expect a "pro" Switch this year (af far as we know based on leaks and rumors) or is this the "speculated" pro?
Wanting to buy a Switch, but not in a hurry... but if this is the new model for at least until the end of the year, I'll grab one.
There is no pro, the rumored pro is this revised one

The pro switch is like star fox GP
 

Instro

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I was asking about the 2019 SoC supporting 460MHz undocked all the time. And potentially supporting 768MHz undocked too. Not docked.

What do you mean by boost mode docked? The CPU at 1785MHz?
Well we already know the OG switch can support those clocks full time in portable mode via hackers, it just uses the battery more, particularly in docked mode. As far the CPU boost mode, I believe it introduced some instabilities depending on the GPU clock, but I could be wrong.
 

skittzo0413

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I know I said the revised switch is the pro

But there is no stronger switch releasing that is labeled as a stronger switch
Right. But nobody claimed there would be. The rumors in this case were accurate.

Which is the opposite of the StarFox GP situation.

Well we already know the OG switch can support those clocks full time in portable mode via hackers, it just uses the battery more, particularly in docked mode. As far the CPU boost mode, I believe it introduced some instabilities depending on the GPU clock, but I could be wrong.
Right, I just mean is it feasible to expect them to set 460MHz as the minimum clock speed available in portable mode if this new chip is ~50% more energy efficient. Or will they not change that at all and just advertise better battery life (probably going to be the case).

I'd hope at least some games might be patched to take advantage of the 460MHz mode anyway.
 

Plankton2

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I'm no expert in FCC filings but things can be submitted and just not visible to the general public or be omitted until a later date.

It looks like here they removed the internal photos and obviously what the specs are for later. So you can't really confirm how minor it is just from the update
 

Emily

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Okay, so I think it's important to clarify a few things, to avoid my comments getting twisted.

I don't believe this will be a "silent revision".
This "Switch with enhanced components" sounds like something that Nintendo will need to inform retailers and customers about.
An updated CPU, extra storage, and updated battery life are all important marketing points. And who knows what else may have been updated or improved.
And yes, based on what I've heard through the grapevine, at least two colors are planned for this Switch revision (if you want to call it a revision).

I imagine we'll hear about this "Switch with enhanced components" either by the end of this month or early August.


What people like Emily say is worth less than nothing.
I've been reporting on Nintendo news for over ten years, and I've written for multiple publications.
I think I'm in a good-enough position to know what is going on over at Nintendo.


On June 17th, I wrote the following:

Yes, I believe Wall Street Journal's report is very accurate. There's two models coming, both currently being manufactured. A more portable version, and a version with enhanced components. Warning: I don't know anything about the specs/power of the devices.

I heard September for both new models, but I heard that a long time ago, so maybe plans have changed. (Was it Nikkei who heard the enhanced version was delayed?) I remember when Bloomberg reported a June release and I was confused where they heard that from.

I did hear multiple colors were planned for the portable version.
  • Portable version releasing in September: Confirmed.
  • Multiple colors for the portable Switch: Confirmed.
Based on that quote, do I sound like a person who knows nothing?
 

BlueManifest

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Okay, so I think it's important to clarify a few things, to avoid my comments getting twisted.

I don't believe this will be a "silent revision".
This "Switch with enhanced components" sounds like something that Nintendo will need to inform retailers and customers about.
An updated CPU, extra storage, and updated battery life are all important marketing points. And who knows what else may have been updated or improved.
And yes, based on what I've heard through the grapevine, at least two colors are planned for this Switch revision (if you want to call it a revision).

I imagine we'll hear about this "Switch with enhanced components" either by the end of this month or early August.




I've been reporting on Nintendo news for over ten years, and I've written for multiple publications.
I think I'm in a good-enough position to know what is going on over at Nintendo.


On June 17th, I wrote the following:


  • Portable version releasing in September: Confirmed.
  • Multiple colors for the portable Switch: Confirmed.
Based on that quote, do I sound like a person who knows nothing?
I agree with you, but some people in here are saying it will have exact same name as the current switch, it won’t be called new switch or switch plus anything like that

Btw do you know if it will have a larger screen?
 

skittzo0413

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Okay, so I think it's important to clarify a few things, to avoid my comments getting twisted.

I don't believe this will be a "silent revision".
This "Switch with enhanced components" sounds like something that Nintendo will need to inform retailers and customers about.
An updated CPU, extra storage, and updated battery life are all important marketing points. And who knows what else may have been updated or improved.
And yes, based on what I've heard through the grapevine, at least two colors are planned for this Switch revision (if you want to call it a revision).

I imagine we'll hear about this "Switch with enhanced components" either by the end of this month or early August.
Interesting, thanks! So that CNET interview with Doug Bowser is going to look weird soon.
 

MP!

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the biggest problem is that people kept saying pro and mini instead of using the correct rumor names of
"Cheaper" and "enhanced" units
 

Foorbits

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Okay, so I think it's important to clarify a few things, to avoid my comments getting twisted.

I don't believe this will be a "silent revision".
This "Switch with enhanced components" sounds like something that Nintendo will need to inform retailers and customers about.
An updated CPU, extra storage, and updated battery life are all important marketing points. And who knows what else may have been updated or improved.
And yes, based on what I've heard through the grapevine, at least two colors are planned for this Switch revision (if you want to call it a revision).

I imagine we'll hear about this "Switch with enhanced components" either by the end of this month or early August.




I've been reporting on Nintendo news for over ten years, and I've written for multiple publications.
I think I'm in a good-enough position to know what is going on over at Nintendo.


On June 17th, I wrote the following:


  • Portable version releasing in September: Confirmed.
  • Multiple colors for the portable Switch: Confirmed.
Based on that quote, do I sound like a person who knows nothing?
Is this "enhanced" version meant to replace the 2017 Switch? Clearly all three will be on the market for awhile but I'm guessing after stock is gone there will be no more OG Switch consoles? Just the Lite and "enhanced"? Is that your feeling?
 
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They will want to leave the announcement late as possible if they are quickly phasing out the old stock, so maybe mid-late August like some of us were thinking for the mini.
Unless Emily's hearing it comes out before the Lite?, but I'm assuming it will be simultaneous.
 

Foorbits

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For the enhanced to co-exist with OG Switch and maintain the same price they are going to have to package a game with OG Switch so the consumer doesn't feel cheated.
 

Mr.Gamerson

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Yeah, I don't see Nintendo making a big deal about a revised switch that now has better battery life and some extra storage. They can just give the switch a new box design and then put 64GB on the box and a disclaimer that highlights the increase in power efficiency and call it a day. If the new colors rumor is true, then that will be a way to identify the new models as well.
 

Rand a. Thor

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It won't coexist guys. It will follow mobile naming to a tee, ie it will be called Switch 2019, and then we will have a Switch 2021 before the Switch 2. The Switch OG will retroactively be called the Switch 2017, see a major price reduction to clear out stock or have a major trade in promotion to see Switch 2019s fly off the shelf, and that's it.
 

Foorbits

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It won't coexist guys. It will follow mobile naming to a tee, ie it will be called Switch 2019, and then we will have a Switch 2021 before the Switch 2. The Switch OG will retroactively be called the Switch 2017, see a major price reduction to clear out stock or have a major trade in promotion to see Switch 2019s fly off the shelf, and that's it.
Can't drop the price of Switch 2017 too low because that would hurt the Lite's message. My guess is Switch 2017 would be sold with a packin game (or vouchers) until stock is gone at $299.
 

Zygozenith

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the biggest problem is that people kept saying pro and mini instead of using the correct rumor names of
"Cheaper" and "enhanced" units
I think WSJ has lots of faults here.
Words like 'avid gamers' and 'their designs are different from the original and you’d be surprised'.
What is so surprising about the Switch lite, and what is so surprising about an enhanced model that's just updated components of the interiors?

For Switch lite, WSJ further mentioned 'You would be wrong to think the other is just a cheap alternative that looks very similar to some past hand-held machines, say, Sony’s PlayStation Vita', but the Switch lite is really just a larger vita, gimmick-free and straight to the point.
 

Instro

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Right. But nobody claimed there would be. The rumors in this case were accurate.

Which is the opposite of the StarFox GP situation.



Right, I just mean is it feasible to expect them to set 460MHz as the minimum clock speed available in portable mode if this new chip is ~50% more energy efficient. Or will they not change that at all and just advertise better battery life (probably going to be the case).

I'd hope at least some games might be patched to take advantage of the 460MHz mode anyway.
I'm pretty sure it's something they could force at the OS level, and/or give control over to the user(normal vs boost mode or whatever). Whether or not they would do it, who knows. I mean it's really odd that the 460mhz profile has been locked down to basically 3-4 games even though it has apparently existed for quite some time.
 

MP!

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I think WSJ has lots of faults here.
Words like 'avid gamers' and 'their designs are different from the original and you’d be surprised'.
What is so surprising about the Switch lite, and what is so surprising about an enhanced model that's just updated components of the interiors?

For Switch lite, WSJ further mentioned 'You would be wrong to think the other is just a cheap alternative that looks very similar to some past hand-held machines, say, Sony’s PlayStation Vita', but the Switch lite is really just a larger vita, gimmick-free and straight to the point.
this is it exactly
 

Emily

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Is this "enhanced" version meant to replace the 2017 Switch? Clearly all three will be on the market for awhile but I'm guessing after stock is gone there will be no more OG Switch consoles? Just the Lite and "enhanced"? Is that your feeling?
Yes, it's meant to (eventually) replace the OG Switch consoles. It will have a similar price to what the OG Switch has now.


I agree with you, but some people in here are saying it will have exact same name as the current switch
Another thing I should make clear: I don't know anything about the branding.
It could have the exact same name as Switch (but now with better battery/storage!). It could have a brand new name (like Switch Lite). Unfortunately I don't know.