Emily, when you are talking new colors, you mean Joycon ones and not the actual console, right???
double bandwidth is too good to be true ... so it isntIt seems like the Mariko SoC in the Switch Lite (and this Switch revision) is really just a tailored and customized Tegra X2.
Hm I was assuming she meant the console + joy-cons would be not grey this time. Either way, thanks for the updates, Emily.Emily, when you are talking new colors, you mean Joycon ones and not the actual console, right???
I hope it's bothEmily, when you are talking new colors, you mean Joycon ones and not the actual console, right???
will probably be around the time of POkemon
Well technically he could still be right if they view "new hardware" as a new SKU like the Lite. If this is simply a sightly updated Switch I could see his comment being "accurate" in that sense.Interesting, thanks! So that CNET interview with Doug Bowser is going to look weird soon.
Hmm you may be right oh well 2 months after September what doo
The datamining has identified the new chip's Gpu ID as Maxwell GM20B_B, if it was based on X2's Pascal it would be something like GP20B_B.
I doubt any of this matters much though.
I only know what Wikipedia knows for that, it lists some differences, like having twice the registers of Maxwell. I think Pascal's 16bitFP support is in TX1 though, so I don't know what else made it into Tegra X1.Would there actually be a difference in real world terms though? Isn't Pascal essentially just Maxwell with a die shrink? Is there any other notable difference?
To me this seems like there same thing as the TX2 just without the Denver cores and with less bandwidth.
the X1 was more or less teh precursor to Pascal. there's probably not enough different to matterI only know what Wikipedia knows for that, it lists some differences, like having twice the registers of Maxwell. I think Pascal's 16bitFP support is in TX1 though, so I don't know what else made it into Tegra X1.
Would there actually be a difference in real world terms though? Isn't Pascal essentially just Maxwell with a die shrink? Is there any other notable difference?
To me this seems like there same thing as the TX2 just without the Denver cores and with less bandwidth.
I was going to say that this sounds a little soon, since the Switch Lite won't even be out until September...I imagine we'll hear about this "Switch with enhanced components" either by the end of this month or early August.
If the lite and enhanced are both being manufactured at the same time, they should be ready to release at the same time.I was going to say that this sounds a little soon, since the Switch Lite won't even be out until September...
...Though seeing how many people on Era fail to comprehend what the Lite's purpose actually is, maybe it's necessary to assure some people that Nintendo isn't giving up on TV gaming entirely.
Regardless, thanks for posting; I always appreciate your input.
Yes. We could see a PSP situation where Nintendo and developers start using the highest available performance profile since the new Switch can handle it, even if it causes poor battery life on older models.So let me ask this... let's say Nintendo wants to sneak a new SOC into the OG Switch but isn't interested in advertising it, just a behind the scenes hardware upgrade. If the new SOC is much more efficient than the OG, could we see better performance (battery and/or framerate and/or dynamic resolution) despite Nintendo's attempts to make it maintain parity with the 2017 hardware?
For the enhanced to co-exist with OG Switch and maintain the same price they are going to have to package a game with OG Switch so the consumer doesn't feel cheated.
Why is everyone so against this then? Most people saying battery life and that's it.This is exactly what I was saying earlier. Most of the benefits of the X2 came from the superior 16nm FinFET node. But now we're getting the X1 on the 16nm node, which seems like it's going to bring about most of those improvements (lower power, higher clocks, takes up less space, etc).
Why is everyone so against this then? Most people saying battery life and that's it.
Nah, this holiday season will belong to the Switch Lite. New Switch probably officially revealed next E3 for Fall 2020 (or immediate if they pull an Apple) release.
No one sets themselves up for failure like Nintendo gamers or those wanting to be. I've owned intendo only console since the beginning. What we are getting is exactly what multiple reports stated. People jumped on board with the "pro" tag and made it to be something it wasn't. Smaller node, better battery, more efficient, and a modest clock bump is okay with me. Maybe Nintendo surprises us with more. But this is enough. I have seen overclocked OG switch running games and it's amazing. I'm okay with this. I think once the new switch is released and people see for themselves they will get over it.I don't think people are against it, but people wanted a clearly defined boost in power.
It all depends on what Nintendo wants to do. They could use all of the extra efficiency for increased battery life and not set clocks any higher (though the datamining in the other thread suggests otherwise). The hardware in this is basically exactly what we all expected, and it can allow them to get like 30-40% extra performance or something around there if they want to.
But it's Nintendo so who knows what they want to do.
Lmao, that's quite a leap. Do you not think it's more likely that they'll include extra storage (64gb), and sell it for $20 more than the OG Switch, or sell it for $300 and knock the OG Switch down to $280? If the original Switch comes with a pack in game then the average consumer is much more likely to buy that version, rather than a revision with slightly improved battery life.
Nah, this holiday season will belong to the Switch Lite. New Switch probably officially revealed next E3 for Fall 2020 (or immediate if they pull an Apple) release.
I don't think people are against it, but people wanted a clearly defined boost in power.
It all depends on what Nintendo wants to do. They could use all of the extra efficiency for increased battery life and not set clocks any higher (though the datamining in the other thread suggests otherwise). The hardware in this is basically exactly what we all expected, and it can allow them to get like 30-40% extra performance or something around there if they want to.
But it's Nintendo so who knows what they want to do.
Ah, I missed that... Doesn't make sense, though, unless new Switch is literally 🙌👐🤷🏼♀️*nothing*According to most insiders this refresh is happening this year. Emily expects it to be announced by early August.
It makes perfect sense since Nintendo wants all their Switch hardware to move away from Tegra X1 to Mariko.Ah, I missed that... Doesn't make sense, though, unless new Switch is literally 🙌👐🤷🏼♀️*nothing*
Ah, I missed that... Doesn't make sense, though, unless new Switch is literally 🙌👐🤷🏼♀️*nothing*
It doesn't sound like Nintendo is going to market it as a new iteration. As the person above mentioned it's probably primarily for cost savings. I'll have to see how the performance is improved before I upgrade, if that's what you can even call it.Ah, I missed that... Doesn't make sense, though, unless new Switch is literally 🙌👐🤷🏼♀️*nothing*
I get that, I just meant as a refresh existing owners would be interested in replacing their current Switch for.It makes perfect sense since Nintendo wants all their Switch hardware to move away from Tegra X1 to Mariko.
Nah, this holiday season will belong to the Switch Lite. New Switch probably officially revealed next E3 for Fall 2020 (or immediate if they pull an Apple) release.
I find the Switch to be nearly pointless docked. They got to come up with something better in that way. I guess they just need better tech to make it doable for me anyway.Time to sell my Switch....
I don't play the system docked, so the pro controller is kinda pointless for me, but I'm not a fan of a current Joycons.
If the newer models have better controller layouts, I'll probably jump in.
Yeah no way of knowing yet. The picture of it was just photoshop of the usual Switch images.anyone remember the dragon quest limited edition switch that is exclusive to japan? i have one of these ordered and wondering if it will actually be the revised version? I find it weird they have not shown any box art.
Unless they shrink the battery, no way are they not going to market this as a "New" Nintendo Switch. Otherwise people are going to be confused and annoyed why suddenly newer Switch's have better battery life.
I'm still thinking it's a revision like the Xbox One S/New 3DS and we'll get another presentation or trailer dropped on Twitter later this year.
which would probably still have better battery lifeAccording to the datamining community they are planning to use the same size battery as what's in the Lite. 3570 mAh I believe, so about 20% less than the 4310mAh in the OG.
But if the new OG Switch is marginally shorter than Switch Lite in terms of battery life, what causes it impacting battery life the most?
the bigger screen probably. Assuming the SOC is exactly the same.But if the new OG Switch is marginally shorter than Switch Lite in terms of battery life, what causes it impacting battery life the most?
yeah the TX2 is really just a TX1 with a different CPU config and higher clocks on the 16nm process + 128-bit memory controller. i can see why they opted for a custom die shrink of TX1 if they didn't want the Denver cores using up so much space. maybe they went with 12nm too?Would there actually be a difference in real world terms though? Isn't Pascal essentially just Maxwell with a die shrink? Is there any other notable difference?
To me this seems like there same thing as the TX2 just without the Denver cores and with less bandwidth.
If they are doing that, are they expecting to ADD more internal stuff? The original Switch was internally crapped, and I suspect the Lite is too.According to the datamining community they are planning to use the same size battery as what's in the Lite. 3570 mAh I believe, so about 20% less than the 4310mAh in the OG.
If they are doing that, are they expecting to ADD more internal stuff? The original Switch was internally crapped, and I suspect the Lite is too.
I think it will be a silent revision.
Basically
- same battery as Lite
- lower thermals
- marginally improved battery life compared to OG Switch (+ 30-60 minutes).
I think the true 'Pro' model will probably only be out late 2020 / early 2021 with significant improvements.
Yep I think a proper revision is definitely on its way. Don't know if it's a major upgrade though, could just be slightly tweaked design, better kickstand, 4K dock, slightly higher clock speeds, more internal storage or something.it seems that way, but looking at Emilys comments i think there has to be something more than just that.
Maybe there will be more storage and a bigger screen or less bezels around the screen, and games do perform a bit better in both handheld and docked.
the FCC document confirmed there's a new mainboard design, which can be shrunk quite a bitIf they are doing that, are they expecting to ADD more internal stuff? The original Switch was internally crapped, and I suspect the Lite is too.
Pretty much this. Also, the Switch is a new thing...we can't really try to predict how Nintendo will go into the future with it. If anything, everything is pointing towards a longer lifespam, in the veins of the 3dsSwitch will be 3 years old next spring. PS4 pro and Xbox One X came out around that time. They might wait till holiday 2020/early 2021. Perhaps with Zelda.
Nintendo did say they wanted switch to last quite awhile, even the 3DS got the New 3DS 4 years later
I thought it was just said that both batteries would be smaller not the exact same batteries?According to the datamining community they are planning to use the same size battery as what's in the Lite. 3570 mAh I believe, so about 20% less than the 4310mAh in the OG.
That bundle has always been perplexing, but it would be weird if a better OG switch was coming out this year that they wouldn't bundle it with DQ.anyone remember the dragon quest limited edition switch that is exclusive to japan? i have one of these ordered and wondering if it will actually be the revised version? I find it weird they have not shown any box art.
i find it weird they only show part of the switch on the back. when the pokemon Lets go editions were announced they had no problem showing the backplate.That bundle has always been perplexing, but it would be weird if a better OG switch was coming out this year that they wouldn't bundle it with DQ.
Could be waiting to bundle it with LM3 a month later, I guess?
Not sure they'd release an image of a photoshopped switch when they're not selling what's in the image