Literally nobody fucking claimed that. We are all talking about cloud saves.
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Nintendo NA: We are unable to guarantee cloud saves will be retained after canceling
- Thread starter Gradon
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Yes, but if your device fails that's the purpose of the cloud saves yeah?
I think the answer to this should be an obvious yes to my first question, but since it's Nintendo I'll ask. Are these cloud saves copies of a local save, or do you choose to save on the cloud instead of the local console?
Actually, they should just not charge you.
Actually, they should just not charge you.
Of course they are, look at all the 'what if you forget to re-sub' or 'what if your card expires' posts
The dumbest things you could think of?but here is where you are wrong, cause now where it says you data will be instantly deleted the moment it expires.
something, something, Piracy, entry points, save data modification
Switch is already full blown open, there's no going back. Saves had nothing to do with it and none of the current gen consoles got hacked through saves. It's the shittiest excuse ever.
Where is this magical number of yours? There is no amount of time they state.
They are basically saying hey your data can stay for 6 months or 1 day but its not on them.
I mean I don't think its gonna be erased in a day but they need to be specific and not some lawyer language to cover their own butts by saying if any happens to bad we told you we can't guarantee it.
Your argument is that not having cloud saves is fine because you still have local saves? What?
I don't believe you can upload your saves to the cloud and then delete them off of your device to save storage, correct?[/QUOTE]
"Deleting your local saves to save storage" is not the point of cloud saves. I mean, come on man, the Direct itself graphically explains the point of cloud saves by having a Thwomp crush a Switch.
Microsoft and Steam don't have a sub that can lapse, so you're actually wrong there. And even Sony at least has "long enough period of time" be greater than zero, so mathematically speaking, that's still infinitely better.
UK page doesn't even say that. And not guaranteed means not guaranteed, as is there could be grace period or not. So is nothing.
So then provide a definitive statement so that nothing needs to be implied at all.
'You have a 7 day grace period to renew your sub without risking your save data':
Or
'We cannot guarantee your saves will be retained for an 'extended timeframe'.
Which statement better arms the consumer with the information they need?
from what some people here say, they do, but after about 6 months
The kernel is still 100% undefeated, the hardware flaw was removed. You do not compromise new security because your partner company fucked up.
Yep, I prefer if it's like Steam or XBL where you got unlimited cloud storage for free.
So then provide a short term guarantee. You know, like other companies who offer paid cloud services do.
"Yeah we might keep them for a while - or not - but if we do who knows how long for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is all we currently have.
Which is why you would maintain the sub? If you have home or car insurance and you let your policy lapse and something happens you are shit out of luck.
I'm still not seeing the big deal here, besides the fact that charging for cloud saves is stupid to begin with.
would you mind update the op with the NA FAQ? there seems to be a lot of misinformation running around
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/22521/p/897
But like WHY would you delete your local saves in the first place? You're not going to run out of space for your local saves. So basically this is only bad if you forget to resub Switch Online, and then your Switch breaks.
People are just pissed that they can't get their saves uploaded during the free trial and then have a free backup they can return to.
People are just pissed that they can't get their saves uploaded during the free trial and then have a free backup they can return to.
So Microsoft and Steam both will keep your cloud saves for all eternity after you stop using the service? Like millions of years? They absolutely will never delete an inactive users data even decades after they abandoned their account?
Also, Sony's 6 months might not shorter than Nintendo's "extended period of time" or it might be, perhaps if someone asks them directly they may elaborate? I don't know. Not sure where greater than zero is coming from, clearly "extended period of time" doesn't mean mere hours or a single day, unless you're being obtuse about it.
I mean, they could indeed mention a specific grace period to make it more clear, but they probably don't even have any.
Still not seeing the issue. If you are using the cloud saves for insurance, which is why you would use cloud saves, then you would make sure your sub doesn't lapse.
I'm open to opinions here, I'm not being closed minded. I'm just not getting the outrage. The main outrage should be on the fact that it is behind the paywall. Steam and xbox do this right.
Millions of years maybe not (since godknows if Valve will even exist then, or the earth for that matter), but I've still got steam cloud saves basically from the date Valve started offering the service. They will still be there even if I don't use Steam for months or years. This is a standard service on PC that everybody provides.
The sub model is too profitable for them to give up at the first attempt. I'd hope that this offering might be similar to what PS Plus was initially as it was only after a poor reception that Sony raised the stakes and turned it into a service that was difficult to turn down.
What about those huge save files that take up over 1GB of space? I would absolutely want to remove those from my system given the limited space available on the Switch.
Unless you are extremely incompetent, you are not compromising your security by allowing save backups. Vita didn't get hacked through saves. PS3 didn't get hacked through saves. PS4 didn't get hacked through saves. Is Nintendo really so incompetent they can't accomplish the same?
the pokebank will delete your save after 2 weeks, however some people said the save was kept for several months after the sub ended.
and some people reported the save was deleted after 1-2 days.
but is their official stand, what do ya want me to do?
you tell me, but is not the "instantly deleted if you dont pay if NOW" that most of the complains are about
then show me where does it say it will be delated instantly after the subscription dies of, cause that part is what keeps this thread rallying
you are factually wrong. yea sure, if you have any of the early on models of the one before 5.0.0 FW, new models fixed teh Nvidia exploit and beyond FW 5.0.0 there is not software exploit iirc.
I'm not outraged, I still want the service (NES games and wireless NES controllers, yes please). Hopefully it's just bad messaging from some Lloyd Braun type on their side.
My home insurance has a 30 day policy of coverage after the renewal due date before it lapses. I don't know how it works where you live and what company you have your possessions if any. But anyways, I don't think that's an apples to apples so not barking up that tree any further.
As I said previously, there may be perfectly valid financial reasons for someone to not be able to renew IMMEDIATELY when their sub is due to relapse. Would you agree that a grace period specified in clear language is better for the consumer, instead of 'can't guarantee extended timeframes' which is a fairly vacuous statement ? I'm just advocating for better communication, I don't see why that's a bad thing.
They need to define the grace period so people can stop filling in the blanks with their worst fears.
I can only assume that they're not using actual servers but are manually transferring your saves to leftover Wii U systems for storage.
If I knew I wouldn't need to ask, I don't know. And neither do you, hence arguing the semantics of what their statement is supposed to mean.
It's not the saves, Switch saves are 100% secure. It's nVidia's hardware access for PC that is the issue. Too many flaws in the way Tegra works to allow Horizon any direct PC access.
Genuinely, nVidia has comical levels of fuckery going on in the X1 chip.