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You cancelled your preorder when you learned it was based on the “censored” western versions.
Nintendo of Japan apologizes for not telling customers that TMS #FE Encore is based on altered Western version of the original, offering full refunds
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Oh yeah, I forgot the game recycled the ol' "unmarried woman over 25 is a drunk lech" cliché. Classy stuff.
From the OP:
The first is an age bump for some of the characters - Tsubasa, Itsuki and Touma - taking them up from 17 to 18 years of age. There are also changes to costumes, with some of the female characters wearing less revealing clothing.
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I'm so out of the loop with the controversy, but if they are 18 here and 17 there, and in both countries that's legal age i don't see why the need for the edits :/
I played the game on wii u and the part with the pictures and the modeling was soooo bizarre, they looked like teens from a 90s tv series, really out of place. I'm sure the bikinis would be bizarre too but they didn't even tried with the edits.
Anyway, people GO BUY THE GAME, it's amazing and it's sad that this is what people asociate with the game and not its quality.
People are free to do that.
If someone prefers playing the Japanese Wii U content version for any reason, they are allowed that.
What business is it of yours, really, to judge someone that decided to cancel their Japanese preorder based on the fact that they didn't know until now that it would be based on the localized content?
Did you even read?
1. I'm not cancelling order, I didnt even preoreder
2. I was explaining why people should be allowed to cancel their preorder, *regardless* of the reasons.
Eh, maybe. Hard to say really.
It is extremely non-critical of the idol industry, which is frustrating.
Hm, yeah that probably happens a couple of times. Don't remember that instance specifically but I'm sure it happens. He's used for comedic effect since he's a massive weeb, and Japanese media loves to use sexual harassment as a punch line. I still maintain that the game is way less problematic than Persona 5.
They did make them 18, and they removed the revealing clothing. This logic will never stop being weird to me though.
I always find the age discussion interesting, because your perspective is obviously coloured by where you’re from.
Personally, I’m not too bothered by changes made to make a product more palatable to a different target audience. At the same time, I respect someone’s right to find that annoying.
This debate will never end and that’s because there’s valid arguments on both sides.
Personally, I’m not too bothered by changes made to make a product more palatable to a different target audience. At the same time, I respect someone’s right to find that annoying.
This debate will never end and that’s because there’s valid arguments on both sides.
Yeah I know. What I was saying was that I would have been fine with the Switch release to have brought back the more revealing clothing as long as it had kept the localized age of 18 for these characters.
Why? If the fictional characters are 18 it's suddenly fine to sexualize the hell out of them?
Even if you want to reduce it down to that, people are still free to cancel their preorders because of it. Nintendo risked getting in trouble for false advertising by using JPN Wii U screenshots to promote the game. That's what the apology and the refund policy are about.
Man this whole thing seems like such a non issue to me yet everyone is throwing such a big fit. From what I understand it doesn’t even take away from the game.
Isn't like, SO WEIRD, that these edits almost ALLLWAAAAYYS happen to female characters??
When people ask "why the edits", ask yourself bigger questions like why is just the women who get this (and the answer is that games love women as cheap titillating decorations, an unfortunate ploy to sell copies, and I hate how well it works and I hate how vehemently people will defend these practices in an industry that OFTEN looks down on female employees and players)
When people ask "why the edits", ask yourself bigger questions like why is just the women who get this (and the answer is that games love women as cheap titillating decorations, an unfortunate ploy to sell copies, and I hate how well it works and I hate how vehemently people will defend these practices in an industry that OFTEN looks down on female employees and players)
It doesn't. And even if it does, it's so small compared to the larger scope of what the game offers it's embarassing that such a backlash exists.
Imagine the lawsuit. Imagine how stupid that would be. (I don't care about the refunds, but going on about the freedom to cancel preorders over this is a weird angle to focus on.)
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Given that Nintendo typically doesn't allow cancelling preorders made through their online portals, it is a unique circumstance. The only other recent example I can think of where it was allowed was Overwatch and that was for very different reasons.
Remember when Gamers complained about the main character's design for Final Fantasy Mobius, so Squeenix changed it?
To those that think it's not censorship or that the word is not appropriate, what would you call the localization of Sailor Moon in the US? Isn't that censorship or rather wouldn't you call the unedited version uncensored?
If you type sailor moon censorship into google you get a plethora of articles about the ways in which the US release got censored. Most notably changing the queer relationship from gay people to just cousins. If you were to describe that you would likely use the word censorship because that's how it's used colloquially.
If you type sailor moon censorship into google you get a plethora of articles about the ways in which the US release got censored. Most notably changing the queer relationship from gay people to just cousins. If you were to describe that you would likely use the word censorship because that's how it's used colloquially.
Anime localization in the early '90s by the licensed distributor is still localization.
At no point did a government agency mandate any change made.
In what way is this remotely relevant? 4Kids also made some pretty dumb changes to shows they dubbed. I think the whole argument over censorship is dumb. I think people don't want to use that word because of the overwhelmingly negative association people have with it. (which people decrying this as censorship are playing into hard)
I think a much more useful framing is if it's good censorship which it most definitely is, making comparing the context of sailor moon's dub changes to this disingenuous.
I know. I am saying why are people so suprised and upset about the usage of censorship when it has always been used that way. If I am referring to the way in which the US release got altered I would use the word censorship. Colloquially it does not always have anything to do with a mandate from the governement.
It's a common way for chuds to frame their inability to sexualize underage characters as a moral outrage. Whether or not that's the case with posters here, the association is strong for some people.
How many people are actually buying Wii U games in 2019 for it to trend above everything else?
It isn't trending above anything other than other Wii U games.
Here's the overall best sellers list:
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Emulation, perhaps. It runs the game perfectly now, actually.
Point I was trying make is that no ones buying Wii U stuff, so a few people buying the Wii U copy now made it easily top the Wii U section. Can't find it in the top 100 in best sellers.
...there were people who were making death threats to the animators at studio bones. Over some extra shading around the chest on her shirt. People can be ridiculous about this stuff. Nobody should be having to deal with death threats for doing their job, especially when their job is something as simple as drawing anime.
The people crying about 'censorship' use that word to hide their true intentions: they want to see more sexualization of women, in their games. They know if they spoke the truth they would scare of potential moderate allies. So they appeal to a higher cause of anti-censorship to gain more headway into the mainstream. It's a classic tactic of many extremist political groups.
If you're mad that underage pantie shots are removed from a game how else are people to react to that then with weird disgust? There's a lot of beating around the bush here that most of the changes involve covering up and aging up teenagers so the game's less creepy.
Tbh it doesn't really matter to me. I wouldn't even notice it while playing. Except the changed quest part I guess, but gravure isn't exactly a thing outside Japan so I understand that.
Would still buy it cause I don't have a Wii U and I wanted to play this since it was announced.
Would still buy it cause I don't have a Wii U and I wanted to play this since it was announced.
Did you not read the comments I was replying to? scare_crow was being a dick over someone else's comments regarding cancelling preorders (which they misread in the first place) and apparently now they've been banned.
This is what you posted:
The Japanese version is the one with the sexualization of minors. The Western one is the one without that. If people prefer the Japanese one why aren't people allowed to criticize them?
I just don't see what's wrong with that. This isn't the /v/ board on 4chan. This place is filled with lefties, liberals, and progressives who don't agree with how women are portrayed in many games. If someone sees nothing wrong with how women are portrayed in games then expect some disagreement from other members here.
I know it’s asking for a lot to not downplay death threats, just because somebody may be right for the wrong reasons, but I’m sure you can do it.
Most of the changes I'm fine with, I don't mind seeing less 'tiddies' like some like to call it. But this one... Sweet lord, I will never get over the wedding dress, not only is it terrible, it's outright lazy. She's literally unchanged, her body is exposed in the exact same fashion, just painted white... It's just... How did a single person think this was an alright change?
Because if they cancel a preorder without saying why they did it specifically, what reason they had personally regarding the aspects of the content that was altered, then who are you to make accusations? I'm no even talking about TMS specifically here. What I'm saying is that people are free to cancel orders for whatever reason they choose, and it's not necessarily the reason that you want to brand them with. And it sure as fuck isn't worth trying to use a lazy-ass avatar quote as a mistaken gotcha like scare_crow did.
I question the framing. Anime studio innocently drawing anime, but spitefully attacked for their innocuous drawings to the point of death threats? From who?
Dude, Kyoto Animation was destroyed in an arson attack earlier this year, people died, and the arsonist was just a nutjob. There doesn't need to be a deep motivation for criminal acts or threats to people just doing their jobs.
how many women are committing murder over anime titties and why on Earth would you compare it to that. Like the "just doing their jobs, people reading too much into it" makes me skeptical that events played out as you're describing.
Oh my fucking god what are you even rambling on about? The arson actually happened. Thirty-three people died. "Skeptical that events played out I'm describing?"
Kindly fuck off.
That's actually really cool. It's always jarring when you see a subtitle that obviously isn't what was said.
Calm down. I am not Sandy hooking the arson attack on Kyoto animation. The events I'm describing are
I also confused you for walnut so I was referring to this when I said events you described, not the arson link.
So are you trying to say I shouldn’t interpret tweets asking where staff lives, or gems like, “Horikoshi, I say this from the deepest parts of my heart: die.” as death threats? Or are you contesting that the people at bones drawing a canonically eighteen year old girl and adding some shading when they colorized it as them not doing their jobs? I’m legitimately befuddled at what you’re even confused about.