Nintendo releases video about Metroid Prime 4 development - Currently below expectations - Will redo from scratch with Retro Studios
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How am I moving goalposts? Is anything I have said untrue? I don't think Nintendo have managed the franchise very well and it's too long a gap between instalments, but carry on making snide remarks rather than having an actual discussion if it makes you feel better.
Yeah, I really dislike games being announced super early and this is another reason why.
Yeah, this is a strange comment that sort of retroactively tries to downplay the success of Super Metroid and its predecessors. Prime was just the formula applied almost to perfection in 3D.
I get where you're coming from. But I'd argue even the trope of losing all your powers to recollect them at the start is barely a trope anymore because it's almost never done these days. Or rather these years.
I'd also argue that they would have no problem with deviating from Prime 1. While 1 was basically Super Metroid in 3D, especially Prime 2 made great strides in crafting an alien planet with unique biomes and an interesting mechanic.
Of course the game can and probably will have changes to the Prime formula, but when read your examples of bounty hunters, my mind immediately goes to the Prime 3 freakshow and their horrible immersion breaking nonsense or to fetch quests.
Overall though I don't even know if these shake ups would even matter that much. People not previously into the game won't just get it because of a shakeup they probably can't even realize is there because they have no reference to the earlier games, and most people who played the last Prime game 12 years ago would happily just have more of that (with one giant planet and not that Prime 3 nonsense).
I think most of it comes down to the marketing and platform it's on. They do great trailers lately, and they have a really well doing platform, and there's not many single player shooters (that's what it will be in the eye of the average consumer when seeing it on the shelf) on the system. Maybe that's still the case when it comes out. I think even with the old formula they can do better than any Prime title before it.
Most of the Prime 1 team is gone yes, but there are some from Prime 2 and 3 even more still there. Plus DKCTF still shows that people there strive for quality above all else. As long as that culture is intact, Retro is still Retro.
Bandaid narco were never publically and officially announced as the developers were they? I remember Nintendo saying it was a completely new team and nothing else
That's very interesting. Wonder what it means for the potential re-utilization of existing work.
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Soo... what does this mean for Ridge Racer 8? Would that still in development, or be cancelled as well?
Well, well, well, guess I wasn't wrong at all when I suggested Retro was under development struggles and would probably cancel their current project when DKTF for Switch was announced and crazy Nintendo fanboys got mad at me for saying this and even got a mod warn for calling Retro "lazy devs"... LOL.
Well, IMO, Retro should have been Nintendo's first pick for MP4 since start, and everyone were expecting it for a very long time. Let's see now for how long they'll finish it.
Well, IMO, Retro should have been Nintendo's first pick for MP4 since start, and everyone were expecting it for a very long time. Let's see now for how long they'll finish it.
yep, this is the first time ive felt enthusiastic about this game. my excitement is risingThis is fantastic news! Sure, it'll be a delay- but whatever, the rightful studio is in charge!!!
Here's me without a Switch yet, happy to wait for a true Metroid Prime sequel.
Wow that's all super interesting. Kind of reminds me of some the stories we heard out of 2k some years ago. Retro being the one to pitch this is also good news for folks wondering if their game is done/close to done.
That last part about Retro pitching an idea to them is fantastic news.
The insider gossip is going to be in full swing AFTER the fact. It is like a circus.
That's a pretty interesting insight. So Retro was the one approaching Nintendo, that inspires a lot of confidence.
I think it means a sooner release. Eurogamer did say that they heard that some of them were switched off prime 4 to go work on another switch game. More than likely that was RR8
Wow, can you link us to the confirmation that Retro cancelled their current project to work on this? Huge news.
In my experience this kind of public embarrassment is common in the Japanese business world.
Nothing is out of hand, he is just expanding on something he previously worked on lorewise, he didn't even stuff it down anyones throat, he teased him at the the end of MP3 10+ years ago and recently teased him in the spinoff federation force, you need to step back and reevaluate your stance on this, because this is stupid.
Is this game considered to be in development hell? Since this is exactly what happened to FFVIIR and we all know what people think about this game.
I mean
I had to find out about the information to ask people. I didn't hear about this before today, I asked people involved after the news came out. How do you think asking questions works
With this news, I'm wondering if Bayonetta 3 is having the same rough path... we haven't heard of the game in a while. Only a brief statement that the game was progressing well... but then, that same thing was said about MP4 and look how it ended.
Smash is selling gangbusters so I'm afraid Nintendo is gonna continue giving it the main spotlight on their Directs and on E3 like they did during the second half of 2018. Nintendo assumes every single Nintendo fan automatically should love Smash which is wrong because I don't like Smash for example despite being a Nintendo fan hah.
I know, I just wanted to see a trailer at least. It was teased/rumored/practically confirmed to appear at the game awards last year and I got salty since then when the only thing Nintendo announced that night was a character in Smash from a game that is not even on the Switch.
Hoping for this. Retro's new game being released very soon and switching quickly to MP4. Too bad we now have to wait another 2 years at least to see proper footage of the game.
There was atleast one new mainline Metroid title for a home console since Gamecube, except for the crushing failure Wii U.
Absolutely gutted about this, but I’d prefer a great game as instead of a crap one. We probably won’t get something for 3-4 years, so perhaps Switch 2.
I hope we get the Trilogy and a new 2D Metroid in the meantime.
I hope we get the Trilogy and a new 2D Metroid in the meantime.
The same exact thing happened with CC2 and FFVIIR. So is not like the first time we saw it on gaming related business.
The Wii had a gigantic casual audience, but it also had a sizable core audience that bought titles like Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and similar titles. People didn't avoid Prime 3 specifically because "lol Grandma console." Metroid's audience has just never been that comparatively big.
That's not unusual. Big negative news like this usually leads to sources with loose lips, and journalists/insiders to hit up all their sources for info. Don't be surprised to see Schrier or someone else have a long form story on the situation.
You can fit the lore in well with the rest of the game like in Prime 2, or you can utterly botch it like in Prime 3. The fact that the next game he worked on after botching the implementation in 3 was a game entirely focused on the federation tells me he needs to get his priorities straight again, that's all.
All I see is him shoving Sylux in every single chance he got, no matter how unrelated he was to the game he got teased in.
I mean, it's not like he said he knew about this all along and is now going to dish out the dirt. He's clearly saying that this is what he has found out about it.
When I saw the video on YouTube I thought to myself "oh shit, finally a actual update?".
Yeah....
So a launch game perhaps for the next system?
Yeah....
So a launch game perhaps for the next system?
I’m really happy with the transparency Nintendo is giving us about this. “Look, the Metroid Prime we’ve been making since 2017 is not turning out well, we’re gonna need to do it over from scratch. It’s gonna be a few more year, but it’ll be worth it.” It is what it is. I appreciate that honesty.
I’m also glad they’re getting this news out of the way before the next Direct (which is overdue). Now they can go into another Direct without any expectation of showing Metroid Prime 4. We all know now not to expect it for a couple more years.
Now they can focus on Animal Crossing, Luigi’s Mansion 3, Daemon x Machina, and some other stuff without Metroid Prime looming over everyone’s head.
It is sad though, that the next core Mario and Zelda titles are likely to come to Switch before we get one original Metroid title.
Hopefully Nintendo can put some Metroid remaster or remake together for this year, to help fill the gap.
I’m also glad they’re getting this news out of the way before the next Direct (which is overdue). Now they can go into another Direct without any expectation of showing Metroid Prime 4. We all know now not to expect it for a couple more years.
Now they can focus on Animal Crossing, Luigi’s Mansion 3, Daemon x Machina, and some other stuff without Metroid Prime looming over everyone’s head.
It is sad though, that the next core Mario and Zelda titles are likely to come to Switch before we get one original Metroid title.
Hopefully Nintendo can put some Metroid remaster or remake together for this year, to help fill the gap.
This is very similar to how Ubisoft are developing almost all their big titles nowadays. Nintendo must've really pissed that this method didn't pan out as they have hoped so they shit-canned it.
I was more surprised at the rumor that Retro sent Nintendo a prototype.
We heard rumors of it being Bandai Namco Singapore and even Bandai Namco Japan, but did Nintendo ever come out and say who it was directly? Unless I missed something they haven't. Did I miss some non rumor news confirming who it was exactly? If so I apologize and could you link me to it?
Havent read the whole thread, just the first few pages. A friend showed me the video and we discussed it, here is my 2 cents about the situation:
-Im incredibly thankful how upfront nintendo has been this time by making this video. Nobody should have a bad opinion about the video existing.
-ive read a lot here about what retro was doing and if they cancelled the gane they were working etc, and im surprised about people arriving to that conclusion. Its clear that they are near the end of completing the game they were working on (if the rumours are to be believed Starfox GP), and part of the team are going to start now with mp4. As easy as that. They werent asked before because they were busy and now they are not.
-Some people at era now how critic of Tanabe i am and hiw unexcited somewhat was when tanabe didnt wan to say with what team he was working at the beginning (and i dont think he never officialy said it who was exactly the team, just the press saying it was bandai namco and people that worked on star wars 1313). Remember how he also did hide who was the studio he was working for in Federation Force and was discovered that it was next level games, but the "director" of that game never really talke about the game being Tanabe the mouth piece, something that was completely different during punch-out and luigis mansion.
In fact even if the game still doesnt "exist" im more excited about what Sakamoto does with mecury steam for the continuation of Fusion, a game that I wouldnt be surprised is released before metroid prime 4 now.
Now with retro im actually excited, no matter the delay, something i explain better on my next point.
-Tanabe is probably the main culprit here, the last few tries of working with outside teams have been turning him more into a producer with director power than in the prime/punchout days were directors he worked with were face front of their respective games and he acted mainly as a producer. Federation Force was a clear misfire and i wouldnt been surprised if he couldnt manage a "yes sir" only team without good direction. We know from retro past interviews that tanabe has the most absurd ideas ever (that retro had to spim to make them actually good stuff), or him wanting to force a shitty character created by him as the main villain of this new prime games, so having a lesser team in his hands will give him an inferior product. Logically in nintendo's eyes with Tanabe's trajectory its not him the main problem (and they are never going to fire him) so they put him in charge of a team that has their own ideas when working previously with him and now how to make excellent games.
-Im incredibly thankful how upfront nintendo has been this time by making this video. Nobody should have a bad opinion about the video existing.
-ive read a lot here about what retro was doing and if they cancelled the gane they were working etc, and im surprised about people arriving to that conclusion. Its clear that they are near the end of completing the game they were working on (if the rumours are to be believed Starfox GP), and part of the team are going to start now with mp4. As easy as that. They werent asked before because they were busy and now they are not.
-Some people at era now how critic of Tanabe i am and hiw unexcited somewhat was when tanabe didnt wan to say with what team he was working at the beginning (and i dont think he never officialy said it who was exactly the team, just the press saying it was bandai namco and people that worked on star wars 1313). Remember how he also did hide who was the studio he was working for in Federation Force and was discovered that it was next level games, but the "director" of that game never really talke about the game being Tanabe the mouth piece, something that was completely different during punch-out and luigis mansion.
In fact even if the game still doesnt "exist" im more excited about what Sakamoto does with mecury steam for the continuation of Fusion, a game that I wouldnt be surprised is released before metroid prime 4 now.
Now with retro im actually excited, no matter the delay, something i explain better on my next point.
-Tanabe is probably the main culprit here, the last few tries of working with outside teams have been turning him more into a producer with director power than in the prime/punchout days were directors he worked with were face front of their respective games and he acted mainly as a producer. Federation Force was a clear misfire and i wouldnt been surprised if he couldnt manage a "yes sir" only team without good direction. We know from retro past interviews that tanabe has the most absurd ideas ever (that retro had to spim to make them actually good stuff), or him wanting to force a shitty character created by him as the main villain of this new prime games, so having a lesser team in his hands will give him an inferior product. Logically in nintendo's eyes with Tanabe's trajectory its not him the main problem (and they are never going to fire him) so they put him in charge of a team that has their own ideas when working previously with him and now how to make excellent games.
Okay? I never said there wasn't and that doesn't conflict with what I said.
Yup. Never announced. People are just going by a linkedin page.
Wasn't there an issue with the first Metroid Prime in which they didn't really want to call it a FPS even though the description and everything else pointed out it was.
Hmm. If the demo thing is true it's possible they're farther into development than what people think.
Yoshi, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, and Pokemon are what we know so far. And given Nintendo's PR history over the last half decade to full decade, they won't be announcing their big non-Pokemon holiday games until E3 anyway. Even if they only have one more big game, that's a better overall lineup than 2018 already.
This makes more hopeful about how they are planning and moving forward with the game. At the very least, I commend Nintendo for being upfront about this.