Yep. People can just not play it if they don't want to.
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Nintendo releases video about Metroid Prime 4 development - Currently below expectations - Will redo from scratch with Retro Studios
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No third person shit. Other M is available for third person. Metroid Prime is a first person experience.
Metroid Prime has already had a fun multiplayer experience in Hunters.
Obviously it would need significant reworking, but the core was there for fun online
I myself experienced nausea playing the first Metroid Prime and never got into the series as a result. Doesnt happen to me in all first persons games but Metroid was the worst offender. I would secretly love if the game just had a third person mode.
Not sure why when prime is way slower moving than nost first person games.
Me neither. If you google the problem you'll get a bunch of hits from the early 2000s. Looks like it was an issue with the HUD lagging or something.
HUD lag refers to the HUD inclining based on the direction you're turning. You can disable HUD lag in the options.
This is what gets me, too.
Like, hey, what if their current talent is capable of making a Metroid game better than Prime 1-3?
New/different talent took us from Mario Sunshine to Mario Galaxy. Different isn't always bad.
Takahashi said they want to make prime 4 at least on par with the first three. So they probably think that demo and whatever retro told them is enough proof that it can be.
Yeah. He wants it to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Trilogy. Obviously Retro gave him that confidence.
Who knows, but I actually wouldn't be surprised if we get something of this sort. Times have changed, the likes of Bulletstorm and Doom have shown us how such can be done, and I definitely would like a new Prime to have a much more agile Samus.
For shooters, sure. Is Metroid a shooter?
Breath of the Wild: third person.
God of War: third person.
Spider-Man: third person.
Assassin's Creed: third person.
Tomb Raider: third person.
I'm just saying maybe make it an option.
Why make it an option? Not every game needs to be third person. Prime is built around being first person.
The fights against the other hunters in Corruption were incredible and a huge improvement over the Dark Samus battles in Echoes. It showed Retro were able to make fast, arcadey action boss fights in addition to the puzzle based oned.
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Per metacritic Prime had a 97, Prime 2 got a 92, and Prime 3 had a 90.
So at the minimum they want a massive critical success.
Metroid Prime's defining element is its first person perspective. Defining element. Thats what separates it from the Metroid series as a whole.
I'd never insist on Metroid Prime 4 being a third-person game, but as someone that prefers third-person action to first-person in general, I wouldn't mind it if they included it as an option. I don't think that it would necessarily do harm to the series identity if they provided it. (And it's already partially in third-person anyway with the morph ball.)
ERA does have a bias for third person, it seems.
First person and the immersiveness of looking at the world behind Samus' visor is one of the defining characteristics of Metroid Prime.
First person and the immersiveness of looking at the world behind Samus' visor is one of the defining characteristics of Metroid Prime.
I don't see the problem with Prime being in first person. It's not a conventional shooter like Battlefield or Call of Duty. It's way more slow and focused on exploration than shooting. That's why you can't even hold the button to shoot multiple times, you need to press it for each shoot.
I prefer first person and would like more games to have that as an option, like in botw, but for some reason they didn't do that.
I was wondering about that as well and quickly found a video that shows it, among other things.
The answer is nope!
I think they do.
There's also this neat thing where a flash from an explosion in close proximity will let you see a reflection of her face on the inside of her visor.
What some people want is likely not what would happen if a 3rd person mode was added. It wouldn't all of the sudden turn into other m DMC style gameplay. It would just be very clunky tank over the shoulder style, like those parts in other m. Is that what you really want?
Wow, they really make a good job of making you think otherwise with those morph ball transitions.
I think it helped that they really leveraged the freedom that pointer controls allowed for in order to up the pace of that game compared to its predecessors. It's a very zippy game from beginning to end, which I hope is retained for 4.
3 is the only one that I haven't played.
I Echoes on hold midway through, right before the second Dark Samus encounter after buying a Switch. I've had the urge to dust off my Wii, but decided to wait and see what the Trilogy HD is gonna be like.
If I don't see it in the next General Direct, I think I'll go back.
Yeah I have high expectations as should nintendo. I need it to be GOTY quality
Changing the perspective is more work than just toggling some zoom switch. You have to make it so that everything is perfectly playable in both modes. This means changing how the player moves, and accounting for the visibility every necessary object. When you switch into first-person mode in Red Dead 2, you can see in the mirror how all of Arthur's movements change.
A third-person Metroid game could be cool. It should, though, be a separate entry imo. They could follow the model of the Arkham series, which has Metroidvania-style dungeons but also more of an emphasis on a scripted story, with a few action sequences. It'd be an expensive endeavour, though, and they'd need another unique team for it. Hopefully Prime 4 does well.
A third-person Metroid game could be cool. It should, though, be a separate entry imo. They could follow the model of the Arkham series, which has Metroidvania-style dungeons but also more of an emphasis on a scripted story, with a few action sequences. It'd be an expensive endeavour, though, and they'd need another unique team for it. Hopefully Prime 4 does well.
Here are a few ideas I think would work:
-Samus gets a bit faster movement speed, FOV is on the wide side, right stick aiming+gyro.
-Power Beam has automatic fire (No more bashing the fire button until your finger bleeds) and fires with RZ, LZ engages the charged beam. These are your first two attacks in the game.
-There are three other beams you collect over time, to keep it simple these could be the same as in Prime 1. (Plasma, Ice, Wave Beam) The difference is, they are useful outside of puzzles and very specific enemies, and you can use them for strategy in combat. Instead of charging, each has an alt fire activated with LZ. (Eg. Plasma turns into a flamethrower, Ice throws an ice bomb, Wave lets you throw an EMP to jam the enemy's electronics and make them vulnerable)
-The L button activates missiles. These work pretty much like the micro-missiles in DOOM 2016.
-After turning morph-ball with A, you have all the normal controls, but you can use it in combat by dropping bombs on the enemies that damage them and feel satisfying to use.
-Pressing the right stick lets you use a melee attack. Perhaps a glory kill/risk-reward system like in Other M, Samus Returns, DOOM, etc.
-The Speed Booster makes a return, with a twist: you engage it by pressing the movement stick, you charge energy for a dash, the camera moves to third person and lets you aim where you are going to go, it takes two or three seconds to load and then you either confirm by pressing the fire button or cancel by letting go of the stick, you can use it to dash over specific surfaces for puzzles or... to ram into enemies.
-Since we ran out of shoulder buttons, the R button brings up a wheel where the upper half is for beam types and the bottom half is for visor types. Use the right stick to select.
they don't as far as i can remember, when you are in first person all that's rendered it's the arm cannon
Now that Retro Studios are making it, it seems sure as hell that it will be first person, just as it should be. Now that I think of it, it even was confirmed in the original announcement press document. No use discussing about it, it is wasted time. Deal with it, there will be another 2D Metroid on Switch as well.
They don't. It just renders the cannon. The HUD is actually a massive dome that follows you with all the textures plastered on it and which follows you, and both the arms and the HUD draw over anything else so that they don't show clipping.
Only when you turn into morph ball and the camera switches to third person does the whole model pop up and showcase those few animations.
Wouldn't that just be a Metroid game? Or are you thinking something like Bayonetta set in space?
I find the whole ZS Samus thing silly: I came inside from the rain the other day and took off my jacket. Next thing I know, everyone is calling me Zero Coat JJCon. I was okay with it at first, but things got weird once it was time for bed. Now, I just leave my jacket on all the time.
ZS Samus was only ever used to distinguish her in Smash.
They could easily make a Zero Suit-based Metroid game in the style of the late-game sequence from Zero Mission, though.
Deal with it ay? I don't think anyone here, especially me, the one who started the latest conversation of 3rd person thinks they should do away with 1st person Metroid. Thats what Metroid Prime is all about after all. Prime 1 had the 3rd person segments with the morph ball, Prime 2 introduced 3rd person wall jumping and screw attack so I wonder if they will try something else in 3rd person and I hope that they do.
But reading about the responses from the folks bringing up Doom give me hope that Samus will be more mobile and acrobatic in this entry, 3rd person or 1st. I like the way that Samus moves in Other M and hope some day certain ideas behind it will be revisited without all the questionable design decisions that came with it.
It made sense in Zero Mission as a one off thing named after the game.. It's was acceptable in Brawl because it was a character transformation based on Zero Mission. Since then, its been dumb. If anything, the Varia Suit should have received the name change.
I'm all for different armor-classes in a Metroid game, but making a game around ZS Samus would just be forced. Nintendo already has several franchises that they could base a game like that around (not to mention licensing or making a new IP). The last thing the Metroid series needs now is another spin off.
I gave an example of how it could easily work based on series precedent. You jumped in thinking it was a ridiculous Space Bayonetta thing someone wanted.
Maybe think about how an idea could work and fit within the context of the franchise instead of dismissing it for being too "different".
What is your problem? I was responding to someone specifically asking for a ZS Samus game. I don't know, nor necessarily care, what you imaginary third person action/first person shooter Metroid game would be like. I was never talking about it.
I did talk about a ZS Samus game.
Nah when you switch between the ball and normal perspective you get a brief glimpse of her full body
Edit: my bad, I see what you're saying. And yeah when the transition is over the third person mesh is hidden again and there's only the first person model drawn.