Nintendo sends a cease and desist to insider that has leaked pretty much every E3 2019 announcement

I mean tbh, i don't really care all that much about Sabi personally, they very blatantly played with fire, they got burnt. But they aren't going to be the last leaker and anyone thinking so is fooling themselves. Whether its here or twitter or 4chan, people are going to spill the beans, and when game making corporate culture is built around complete silence, its going to keep happening, its unsustainable.
I hear you... but if the mirror was turned and you was a developer working on a game and somebody leaked what you was working on... would you really just shrug it off? Lmao now imagine your reveal actually meant something but it lost its wow factor because it leaked. Would you still... shrug it off?
 

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I mean tbh, i don't really care all that much about Sabi personally, they very blatantly played with fire, they got burnt. But they aren't going to be the last leaker and anyone thinking so is fooling themselves. Whether its here or twitter or 4chan, people are going to spill the beans, and when game making corporate culture is built around complete silence, its going to keep happening, its unsustainable.
There are two solutions to this problem:

1) Leakers stop leaking shit just so they can get their 15 minutes of internet fame

2) The entire industry moves to a model where they announce games ASAP after 'conception,' (so as soon as any form of concrete plans are drawn up, maybe even before) something that very few industries out there actually do (not even movies). This would, due to the volatile nature of game development, lead to many more damaging stories about delays, cancellations, etc, most of which will probably still come from leaks anyway; it will also lead to more damaging reports about games taking "way too long!" as even 3 years is a long time in the gaming industry. Meanwhile, on the worker's side, carefully-constructed marketing schedules (which are created by people; marketers and business strategists aren't evil robots, after all), stock jumps from well-timed announcements, and the very notion that developers can surprise people with an announcement are all thrown out the window.
 

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So if they can send out these c&ds prematurely before anything has even been said why aren’t publishers sending them out to kotaku before jschrier spills the beans every time?
They do in the case of obtaining information through unscrupulous means.


If, say, a leaker had a source that obtained their information through a way that provided a reasonable assumption of confidentiality through signed agreements or secure locations, a C&D and a threat of a lawsuit would probably follow pretty quickly. Whether that applies to this situation, well, I am not sure I know enough to say.
 

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I hear you... but if the mirror was turned and you was a developer working on a game and somebody leaked what you was working on... would you really just shrug it off? Lmao now imagine your reveal actually meant something but it lost its wow factor because it leaked. Would you still... shrug it off?
If you are a developer you still have casuals that don’t pay attention to leaks (and those will always exist) to get reactions from plus you know...the actual paychecks.
 

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If you are a developer you still have casuals that don’t pay attention to leaks (and those will always exist) to get reactions from plus you know...the actual paychecks.
"Casuals" will hear about this too in this modern social media age. And your paycheck can actually be lower if leakers botch your reveal.
 

Terra

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I hear you... but if the mirror was turned and you was a developer working on a game and somebody leaked what you was working on... would you really just shrug it off? Lmao now imagine your reveal actually meant something but it lost its wow factor because it leaked. Would you still... shrug it off?
I mean, i'm more talking about the fact that the games industry needs to change on a systemic level, where leaks shouldn't be this foundation shattering event that can apparently radically effect development. I know the hollywood comparison is brought up a lot, but people know marvel movies far in advance, and yet the hype on that somehow wasn't shaken despite the fact wee knew infinity war was a thing for years.
 

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I mean, i'm more talking about the fact that the games industry needs to change on a systemic level, where leaks shouldn't be this foundation shattering event that can apparently radically effect development. I know the hollywood comparison is brought up a lot, but people know marvel movies far in advance, and yet the hype on that somehow wasn't shaken despite the fact wee knew infinity war was a thing for years.
Why do you need to know about every video game in development?
 

Terra

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There are two solutions to this problem:

1) Leakers stop leaking shit just so they can get their 15 minutes of internet fame

2) The entire industry moves to a model where they announce games ASAP after 'conception,' (so as soon as any form of concrete plans are drawn up, maybe even before) something that very few industries out there actually do (not even movies). This would, due to the volatile nature of game development, lead to many more damaging stories about delays, cancellations, etc, most of which will probably still come from leaks anyway; it will also lead to more damaging reports about games taking "way too long!" as even 3 years is a long time in the gaming industry. Meanwhile, on the worker's side, carefully-constructed marketing schedules (which are created by people; marketers and business strategists aren't evil robots, after all), stock jumps from well-timed announcements, and the very notion that developers can surprise people with an announcement are all thrown out the window.
Well see there is the thing, systemic changes are hard, its much easier to just handwring about individuals leaking things and assuming that if the industry can snuff enough of them out, we can go back to 2004 when twitter wasn't around.. Literally just treating the symptoms not the cause.
 

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this is the most stupid ass disconnect from reality post I have read the in the whole month. m8, I think that tinfoil hat is a little to tight. your are not thinking properly.


>Guys!, Marketing is evil, all you are just Wooloo, wake up!!!
seriously?
you clearly have an issue with how that post is framed, but it's not that controversial, and you're the one personifying it with words like 'evil' and allusions to 'sheep' rhetoric.
 

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Well see there is the thing, systemic changes are hard, its much easier to just handwring about individuals leaking things and assuming that if the industry can snuff enough of them out, we can go back to 2004 when twitter wasn't around.. Literally just treating the symptoms not the cause.
You trying to call the entire game industry lazy for not doing something that practically no other industry does?
 

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A true leaker would just dump this on 4chan and let time be his judge. This "creating persona/fame over leaks" is like a cry for attention.
 

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How good is the direct gonna be now? Are they just doing the normal legal protections or are we about to get something huge on tuesday?
 

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People defending "leakers" as if they were legitimate workers doing honest jobs are quite amazing. You do realize you're basically idolizing paparazzi?
Companies are not people.

That's more Nintendo being a bully than anything else.
 

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I think everyone should just respect the choice of a developer to show and tell whenever they feel like it. We didn't ask Van Gogh to announce what paintings he was working.
 

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You trying to call the entire game industry lazy for not doing something that practically no other industry does?
No haha, i'm mostly just shaking my head over the fact that system is set up to be plagued by leaks and yet people just keep thinking that as long as we keep sticking our fingers in these holes, the water is going to stop coming in. Maybe you just need a better boat...
 

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I think it’s rich for some people to tell someone to keep leaking and get taken to court since they’d win eitherway. I wouldn’t want to go to court even if I knew I was in the right, espescially for something as trivial as leaking video game spoilers.
 

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If a leak makes a company toxic. Then the company was on shaky ground in the first place.
That's not how it works.

That's not how any of it works!

No haha, i'm mostly just shaking my head over the fact that system is set up to be plagued by leaks and yet people just keep thinking that as long as we keep sticking our fingers in these holes, the water is going to stop coming in. Maybe you just need a better boat...
The only way the system would not be "plagued by leaks," is if the system does what I said and posts all information about a game as it gets created (actually that's a more extreme version of what I said, but no less true). That's simply not feasible in any way, and suggesting that it is shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the business surrounding games works (in the same way many 'lazy devs' arguments show a fundamental misunderstanding of how development works).
 
No haha, i'm mostly just shaking my head over the fact that system is set up to be plagued by leaks and yet people just keep thinking that as long as we keep sticking our fingers in these holes, the water is going to stop coming in. Maybe you just need a better boat...
There's always gonna be a disgruntled employee or an employee who wanna share his/her excitement via a leak. Either way it's pretty selfish lmao

Only way to stop it is to do test the employees by fake leaks and see whose dumb enough to actually share the fake info.
 

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Canceled over a Splatoon Like prototype leak? I feel sorry for devs but Nintendo was stupid in that scenario just like they are here. It’s irrational social norms I will never understand.
How dare companies want to keep their projects secret until they desire to reveal them
Lol, that's called f'n journalism Nintendo.
Is that even legal?
Yes it is legal
No, what has happened is not journalism.
 

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Lol, that's called f'n journalism Nintendo.
Is that even legal?
Ok, now *I* can't breathe.

Anyways I second the opinion of the guy who suggested companies should announce projects as soon as they start working on them. Put as many details as possible out there as soon as you can, organize press tours every x months.

This solves everyone's problems. Consumers finally see their divine right to know everything every studio is working on at all times and stop being kept in the dark by the nefarious conspiracies of the Illuminati and evil corporations. And these heroic war journalists stop risking their necks leaking commercials 2 days in advance.
 

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Nintendo are completely in the right for this and leaks can cost a lot of money and hard work.

Surprised so many are seeing it the other way in here.
 

Notaskwid

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Nintendo a bully for something leaking from a company they're working with and wanting not to have things leak so having to not work with the company?

Good god.

Fine, how about this?
I don't think we're going to agree here, the problem is all the secretism in the first place, as far as I'm concerned. Who is mandating the secretism? The company with the big bags of money that wants to market their games as they please (iregardless to the Devs), or cancel them without being known that they were working on them in the first place.
Another thing that seems be common to these stories are that the leaker is usually someone unsatisfied with the company. And we all know to an extent how badly some of this companies are ran.

Imo, the more we know, and the earlier we know it, the more we as the public can keep this companies on check.