What are we talking about here specifically?
People were fired someone because someone else's leaked something?
Or people were fired because the game did poorly?
I'm honestly asking.
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Nintendo sends a cease and desist to insider that has leaked pretty much every E3 2019 announcement
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People were fired someone because someone else's leaked something?
Or people were fired because the game did poorly?
I'm honestly asking.
Plus a company lost trust in another company, forfeiting any future cooperation, thus leading potential loss of jobs due to less contracts.
Except for the people who you know, lost their job and a ton a money because one person wanted to stick it to the man but instead hurt all their co-workers. But who gives a damn about that, the game concept lives on somewhere so gamers are happy. And that's what really matters.
Nice missing the entire point about respecting the people who make those commercial and not finding it cool that someone leaked all their information for their 15 minutes of fame. They can just go fuck off, apparently because it's just a commercial.
Good grief.. ALL corporations are like this.. ALL corporations do that .. Sounds like you're just slapping labels on things? What do I know though I'm English and we ALL have bad teeth and wear bowler hats.
We wouldn't be in this thread if the game industry was less hype driven.
I kinda feel for the marketing team who got their biggest event of the year gone into ash but shit happens and cat is out of the bag.
better luck next time and rely less on surprise e3 announcement to the point that sending a C&D letter is a viable course of action.
For the public, if they don't like leaks, they can avoid it, it's not that complicated.
I kinda feel for the marketing team who got their biggest event of the year gone into ash but shit happens and cat is out of the bag.
better luck next time and rely less on surprise e3 announcement to the point that sending a C&D letter is a viable course of action.
For the public, if they don't like leaks, they can avoid it, it's not that complicated.
Check the last few pages. There's also many Devs apart from me around these parts that I'm sure would be happy to inform you about the real impact that leaks can have, you know, other than "sadness".
Yeah the hype machine with gaming is too much. The fact that people are so angry that commericals are leaking a few days early is insane. Gamer culture is a waste.
Respecting as in not finding it cool that some jackass on Twitter who wants to be famous for 15 minutes is more than willing to ruined and spoil the hard work of dozens of not hundreds of people.
I'm telling you that "we cancelled this game because of a leak" is a lie and there are way more plausible explanations, like "developing on the Wii U is a boondoggle".
And if your best example of a game that was cancelled because of a leak is a game which eventually morphed into another game and was released to critical acclaim, then I dunno. Find better examples.
You know as well as I that game concepts are discussed boot strapped, reworked, cancelled and then started again. That process is a natural one of the industry and not because something may or may not have been leaked.
Every other entertainment business who can afford it also spends a lot of money doing the same marketing planning. And success stories for developers who can't afford a huge marketing budget don't really disprove the point. Or do you think that the companies who CAN afford marketing are wasting their money on nothing?
Copyright/DMCA enforcement is a pretty nebulous legal tool.
A commercial made by developers to sell the product we spent years making to be able to make more games for you guys out of a passion for this industry.
splatoon got realeased, as a new game, from a different team, reworking the concept. im sure that the first team that lost their right to make that proyect because it leaked were totally fine with this, because although they lost the job, what is important is that in the end the game was made one way or the other... so there were no loses or consecuences to say leak...
we even got something probably better than the original project! rejoice people! come to the light!
(just ignore the jobs lost, the change of studio and all those hours of work lost, who cares of that insignificant collateral damage? is nonexistent!)
please, be at least a little serious about this, we are trying to debate something that has consecuences, although they could be dismisive for you... many families wont feel the same
Thats not even true. Sabi's leak tweets are being shared everywhere lol Its pretty tasteless to leak a show on the day it starts.
Name one thing not a AAA video game that had the brakes put on it because people saw a trailer for it a day before the trailer's release.
I could only imagine how difficult it was to find someone tweeting out "I WILL LEAK EVERYTHING ABOUT E3 #E3SPOILERS" lmao.
Commercials are there for a reason and work are put into it to get people interested in a product you wanna sell and people are enjoying.
In the end it's entertainment. It's some luxury good we have and it's totally fine.
I can't believe you're actually arguing this.
We've had game outlets like Kotaku reporting on leaks from their sources, leaks which nobody was aware of before that. Like several projects from Ubisoft and Bethesda. Assassin's Creeds and their titles and settings, what kind of game Fallout 76 is.
If what you're saying was actually illegal these outlets would have been long sued into the ground. It is not.
This is a problem with the games industry as a whole. If no game ever leaked this problem would still exist and people would just find another scapegoat.
I don't really think there are any winners here, but my god I can't imagine being that thirsty for some attention.
Ok. And if that commercial gets leaked a few days before hand so what? People are still seeing it.
For the love god, I'm defending the people who make the freaking commercial and the produce that the commercial is for, which was created over a period of years. 'Cooperation' doesn't magically make commercials. And it even more annoying when developers say how leak hurt, but it deflected with 'you're defending a commercial' or 'it's just a commercial'.
What is with this thread and the dehumanization of the marketing department? Do you really think the department is run by robots?
We are lucky to live in a world where games aren't made, they're excavated from the ground.
Me and Vern was talking about this last night. She's Internet fame hunting but she's not even capitalizing on it. She's not plugging her own content or making money. She gotta find a way to stay relevant after E3 ends lmao
Yeah, and hurricane Katrina wasn't that bad because I only got a few hours of storms. Just because 1 person on a team isn't affected doesn't mean that nobody is affected. Jesus, this is like arguing with Trump supporters. (It's snowing so climate change must be fake)
i will leave the conversation XD it will be more productive for me at least.... please, carry on
I don't find anything cool on twitter in general.
And really now, this is not about what I find cool or not, is it?
It's about what it means that people worked hard on a product means.
And I really don't think it means "the people who worked really hard on it gets to tell what I cannot talk about".
There goes an incredible amount of hard work into managing and timing those "commercials" especially when dealing with third party studios like Google, Microsoft, Sony etc. Even leaking it a few days in advance can put to risk those deals risking the lively hoods of devs.
The shortsightedness I am reading in the threads these past week from people who have no clue what they are talking about claiming there is no damage done with leaks. it risks hard working legit developers lose their lively hoods by threatening valuable deals around a product they are making. Behind that corporate shell are artist, programmers, sound designers, writers, QA that make these wonderful game experiences you all love possible. but sure lets defend a scummy leaker because you peope have some idea of sticking it to the man ambracing it like Sabi is robinhood fighting for the poor.
For those advocating transparency for the game industry, like knowing projects early on, how much information do you think is enough for people to be satisfied at that point in time? Is it enough to announce the name of the project? Setting? Story beats? Do you think everyone will be satisfied knowing those things or do you think that some may demand for more?
How does a commercial leaking a few days before hurt the developers? Literally every other entertainment industry seems to deal with it fine but gaming is special because????
Sabi never really posted anything about Nintendo. The only "leaks" so far about Nintendo come from Vergeben who claimed Wario Ware and 2D Metroid are happening.
Except it isn't the commercial bring leaked here, but the produced. Just like how Mario and Rabbid got massive dumped on the internet with no context and people through the game was dumb and the people who made it were morons. And while it all worked out, this cause needless distressed for the developers, especially since this was their passion project.
I mean Beth obviously took issue with Kotaku leaking their stuff, as they have been stonewalling them ever since. So I am sure they would have sued if it was an option.
Maybe the problem isn't the leaks but how toxic and shitty game development is?
To me this is the equivalent of your big sister telling you what your folks have got you for your birthday. You'll find out anyway and you'll be happy but the surprise and excitement is ruined.
Huh. And was the game cancelled? Did sales tank? Did Nintendo swear to never work with Ubisoft again? Will there never be another Mario crossover?
Oh. Huh. Imagine that.