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Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft join forces to fight against US Tarrif on China
- Thread starter Kliemie
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The money speaks for itself, the games industry is bigger than film and employs a fuckton of Americans
I didn't see you quote any particular post, mind highlighting it for me? There has certainly been some issues with stuff like the Epic Game Store being used in this fashion but I don't see anything in particular on the page that jumps out to me.
Is there anyone here in particular that you are accusing of hating and being racist towards chinese people? Where the hell would you get that from in this thread?
No one here hates Chinese people. It's this tariff war that is ultimately causing harm to regular people in both countries. And both countries are run by maniacal idiots, and not many people here support either of them.
I'm guessing a LOT of behind the scenes activity is happening right now in evaluating prices. The announcement of prices of new consoles is probably going to wait for a while.
Nintendo is probably waiting until the last possible second to announce the Switch Mini until they get a clearer picture of what the situation will be like for the next 6 months.
Nintendo is probably waiting until the last possible second to announce the Switch Mini until they get a clearer picture of what the situation will be like for the next 6 months.
I can't wait either, the subterfuge people come up to defend this administration is almost an art form at this point.
Yeah, they are probably waiting on seeing how many units these new factories can churn out and the cost per unit in order to decide on a final price. Pretty sure they will be spending a heftier budget on QC testing due to units coming from multiple sources.
American manufacturers and consumers pay import tariffs, not China.
You might not know if this if everything you learned about Dumbass Donald's unnecessary trade war came from Dumbass Donald himself.
i agree Trump is a huge dick and basically inhuman, but this is more an example of greedy companies being upset that they lost their slave labor/child labor. i don't mean to use 'slave' in such a shitty and non-chalant way, but after reading about foxconn work conditions, it is pretty disturbing (i mean look at the suicide rates!). but yeah, i have no empathy for Sony Nintendo Microsoft. yeah the tariffs are bad but seriously the companies deserve these expenses for how they keep supporting this child labor and terrible work conditions. i am glad they are losing their 'golden goose'.
edit: also apple you eat shit too i hope.
Sounds like an EDF reboot featuring Trump as the incoming threat...
To save Economies from yet another Trump attack
From shitty thoughtless sanctions that have once again come back
We'll combine all our forces, we won't cut them any slack
The TDF deploys!
Tariffs are the.stick. the intended effect is for these companies to move manufacturing out of China permanently
I live in europe but i would gladly pay some extra euros if the Switch "Pro" would be made in Japan or other asian countries. I have nothing against chinese people, in fact i'm a fan of the chinese culture (the old culture) but i can't unsee all the problems. While i don't think Trumps tarrifs are made because of the right reasons i think europe is sleeping entirely on Chinas behaviour.
Could you please tell that china too. They are very good in protecting their economy from foreign companies while flooding the world with cheap chinese products, often copies of western products. Its absurd how cheap they can ship goods around the world.
Could you please tell that china too. They are very good in protecting their economy from foreign companies while flooding the world with cheap chinese products, often copies of western products. Its absurd how cheap they can ship goods around the world.
Well Trump isn't really fixing that issue, he's only blocking China's expansion in hope to snatch a better deal while blocking their big companies, but manufacturing products in China had already become more expensive than what it used to be, so companies are already moving their productions to the "new China" which are now Vietnam and India.
Essentially you're only changing the nationality of your slaves.
Also while i agree that this is bad, we need to realize that the majority of the products you see today are made in those countries with those working conditions, with that much influence from the government on local companies, etc. It's time to change this, but we need some effort and time to adapt.
2 things can be true at once, Trump is an idiot & Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft want to make more money.
The big three could just move to Taiwan like others have & make a tiny bit less profit, or suck it up & eat the tariff, Microsoft's market cap is a trillion dollars for fuck sake.
Besides, Sony & Microsoft are likely not going to make a $599 Console ever again due to PS3's blunder, so they will likely eat the tariff & it won't hurt the consumer, not to say other tariffs won't raise prices on other goods, but probably not Consoles.
The big three could just move to Taiwan like others have & make a tiny bit less profit, or suck it up & eat the tariff, Microsoft's market cap is a trillion dollars for fuck sake.
Besides, Sony & Microsoft are likely not going to make a $599 Console ever again due to PS3's blunder, so they will likely eat the tariff & it won't hurt the consumer, not to say other tariffs won't raise prices on other goods, but probably not Consoles.
Well put.
People in this thread want to punish China, and think that import tariffs on Chinese goods are a good way to do that.
They aren't. Import tariffs are a punishment to the American manufacturers who buy these goods and ultimately, American consumers.
What kind of response is this bullshit. Do you know how many life's and jobs this industry effects? A 25% tariff on consoles could thousands of job losses and a shrinking of the industry. It's not something to just shrug off.
Don't we already know that Nintendo is manufacturing their new Switch's outside of China? That would indicate moving supply chains won't increase prices. It's only increasing costs probably for Nintendo.
I fear the tariffs will happen, and Sony and Microsoft will at the last minute lower their specs in an effort to cut costs rather than raise prices anywhere close to 25%.
That's also the reason for the stock market surge by the way
Nah screw China, if anything there's not enough hatred of China in this thread.
And don't make this about racial discrimination - this is about the Chinese government, the government that's putting millions of muslims into death camps for the crime of appearing to be so, the government that's tightened its grip on power to infallibility, the government that stamps down on criticism harder than a guillotine.
hi chinese government
almost as bad as "hating israel means you hate Jewish people"
completely agree. it just makes me sick when all three of these gaming giants come together in unison when their low-cost labor may not be there so conveniently anymore in china.
Please post examples of racial discrimination in this thread or gtfo. No one in era hates the Chinese that's ridiculous.
if products risk to become more expensive due to taxes, you just have to lower costs somewhere else. i am sure neither the corporations nor china would like to lose their good and established working relationships, so the best solution would be some optimisations on the cost of labour, as we, the customer rightfully insist on keeping low price and high quality.
a little tweaking and optimisation here and there on working conditions/hours, salary and entrance barriers to the career as industrual manufacturer (like age) and china should be able to compete with other countries who are ready to serve and please us.
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Appears to be lots of hate for China / Xi Jinping. What westerners know about China is mainly from the media themselves, which try really hard to paint a bad picture of China whenever they can. It might be true is not doing a lot of things right but the media just makes it far worse than it actually is.
western media, please. chinese media has a far more balanced and unbiased viewpoint on these issues.
But if you actually read the letter you would know that they themselves said moving production out of china would cost more than just taking the tarrifs.
The costs are not paid by china anyway, so its a choice between consumers paying more due to the tarrif, or consumers paying even more for them to move production.
Since staying in china is still the cheaper option for both the manufacturers and consumers, its not hard to guess what will happen.
The "intended effect" just wont happen.
They are laughing at us! Everybody says so! Chiiiina needs to stop whatever its doing to usss. I really like Xi and I looked him in the eye and said: not anymore. No, not anymore and they wont be laughing anymore!
Im not gonna defend the tariffs, but ofcourse they would say that whether its true or not.
If you can find some sources to backup your comments, it would be greatly appriciated. Its extremely annoying to read this long and otherwise well thought comment without being able to verify a single thing on it. It would also give your points much more credence. Cheers!
Aaaaw crap, triple post..
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What are you actually asking for ?
It kinda reads like you dont want to believe things that are self evident, so you try to discredit people by saying "well, you didnt post sources, so you are lieing".
The source is like, common sense for most of what they said, and the whole thing about labor practices in china and how they have changed and due to who is just one google search away.
As for the first paragraph:
The tarrif is not paid by the target country of the tarrif.
Therefore, tarrifs are paid by the manufacturers.
The company then has to make a analysis on if moving production to a non tariff country is cheaper than just paying the tarrif.
And since the manufacturers basically decide how much they can ask for their devices, and this tarriff affects all manufacturers they have literally no reason to not pass on the costs of the tarrifs to either consumers or get the money by cuttinng costs elsewhere, like with wages of workers, especially since there is basically to less than no margin in the business of selling console hardware.
If there's a way to get rid of them both I'll take it.