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Nintendo started blocking videos that show emulation of Switch on Steam Deck
- Thread starter dex3108
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What if videos posted show Switch emulation with non Nintendo games, wonder what happens?
So if it's Capcom, Square, etc... Would Nintendo strike that or would it direct Capcom and Square
So if it's Capcom, Square, etc... Would Nintendo strike that or would it direct Capcom and Square
Renata Price of Waypoint (Vice Gaming) on their 1st of March episode spoke about how this could be the perfect Wii U emulation experience.
If Nintendo allows people know this is possible, it'll ruin their plans to port Xenoblade Chronicles X and Star Fox: Zero!!
If Nintendo allows people know this is possible, it'll ruin their plans to port Xenoblade Chronicles X and Star Fox: Zero!!
*Raises hand*
Though I guess I don't count as I am mostly a PC gamer but can't currently purchase a Steam Deck.
My Switch is now mainly a brick I use to rip games with the state Switch emulation is at now. Similar situation as my Wii U, PS3, etc. I was going to buy an OLED so I could keep my launch Switch on CFW offline at all times, but with recent news I might hold out for the Succ.
Don't even know if the Steam Deck will ever come here to AU but if it is anything like Index and Steam Controller (only through EB Games), I'd be concerned about hardware support and how'd it work... or not.
Sounds pretty hypocritical since that is the argument people have been using to pirate old games after the news of the eshop closing (which i think its fair) but now going around claiming that it's fine to pirate them regardless if they are easily accessible sounds shitty
Who exactly are you calling hypocritical here and what for. Again, different people can have different opinions on things.
i assume it's okay for nintendo to release ps and xbox emulators for switch then
i always wanted to play the xbox buffy game
i always wanted to play the xbox buffy game
There is an opportunity here for Nintendo but because they are such an archaic company their first reaction is to do take down notices.
Assuming that the Switch ownership is 103+ million right now, .05% is 51,500, which feels like it's on the low side of things.
I'd say .5% is a safe guess though, which is 515,000. I figure that's running under the assumption that valve sells 10 million Steam Decks and roughly 1 in 20 people do the emulation thing.
Wow looks much better, I'd love to see more of this footage, do you know if a video of the new build has been released yet?
- making a more powerful system. Switch is very old technology now but they are now stuck because it still sells so well. Usually a generation from Nintendo lasts 5-6 years.
- have better access to it's history of titles, the way they embrace backwards compatibility or make it easy to buy old content is not user friendly
- do not remove the 3DS store
- stop seeing YouTube as a threat but rather another marketing angle. Nintendo is the most strict when it comes to protecting it's IP.
But Nintendo did not create the video so how can they show it?
So you are okay with taking down videos. Okay what about websites? People sharing it on whatsapp, messenger, etc?
Youtube can do whatever they want, it is their platform but they are only doing this because a corporation asked.
They most certainly are making a more powerful system, but that has nothing to do with the topic here.
Sure, but this is primarily because Nintendo first party Switch titles were being shown, so this point really isn't relevant to the topic here.
I agree, but again that has nothing to do with the topic here. So far none of these points are showing how Nintendo can be taking advantage of the opportunity here rather than strike down the videos because they're leveraging their games to promote emulation of Switch titles.
I think Nintendo has a perfectly valid view of not allowing content providers to use their currently on the market selling games to promote emulation. They don't strike down everything, but I do agree they are more aggressive than other IP holders. I would also agree that Nintendo can be archaic on many things.
That said, you haven't shown any points that show that Nintendo has an opportunity here by leaving up videos that are promoting emulation of their own IP for games that are currently still on the market on a device that is getting a lot of attention because of how big Valve is.
Perfect, thanks for the fix, I only commented because it was stating movies/music on the article and I know other EU countries have laws like that.
I know for sure here in Spain music on video games (the software itself) is a bit of a grey area regarding separated copyright. I guess only DRM-free games could be made a backup with that UK permission.
Correct. If Nintendo writes you and threatens with legal action (which they do without hesitation) to take down a video showing their products... good luck working on your defense with fair use.
-nintendo can't magically make a new system of thin air after watching this video
-nintendo has been doing bc for decades, switch doesn't because it is a new archicture
-that is fair but i am not sure what it has to do with the matter at hand, the video isnt about 3ds emulation
-nintendo uses youtube for marketing lol, Nintendo direct format has been very successful
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They could build the hardware, but the problem would be in the software needed to run the carts. They would have to figure out how to get the games to run while bypassing the checks and requirements of using Nintendo's proprietary OS.
The 2000s were a different time. The Series S right now can run lots of PS1 and PS2 games and you dont see Sony suing anyone. Its comparable to Steam Deck running Dolphin, except Nintendo actually takes those videos down.
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10 million Steam Decks is awfully optimistic for something that's not sold in stores, requires a preorder, and is rather pricy. I'm guessing well under a million units have been sold so far.
In what world is Sony not having an issue with PS1/2/3 games being emulated remotely equal to Nintendo having an issue with their current games and hardware currently sold in stores being emulated and pirated? Perfectly reasonable of them to take this stuff down
I'm running on a personal assumption that 10 million is the upper limit of lifetime sales for the current model, based on absolutely nothing.
Think I misread your comment, but that was my point really... that all the hyperbolic stuff in here about Nintendo being evil for not wanting to allow/publicise emulation of Switch games on a competing handheld/in general. Obv with Nintendo there is a gray area because, they are selling/have sold Gamecube games like Mario Sunshine etc... and Switch Online is a possibility still, but yes, I think its GC so they should/could be more relaxed about that
They can block it only because Google kowtows to corporations spending advertising money on their platform.
They don't have an actual legal leg to block the videos with a DMCA should google say no to them, which of course they won't.
There is exactly ZERO wrong with showing a short clip of a game running in emulation on some other device. Nothing legally or morally wrong.
I can see the corporate reason why they would want to block this information, but they shouldn't be able to. And anyone saying that they SHOULD is a corporate bootlicker.
You're essentially saying: "Won't somebody think of the poor multi-billion dollar corporation! They have no option but to swing their giant legal dick around to stifle information about a FULLY LEGAL THING, by abusing the DMCA. Oh woes is them!".
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I don't necessarily think they should get the videos removed--a lot of the copyright stunts that are pulled on YouTube hurt creators and don't take fair use into account at all--but I can see why they'd want to. Without an official way to get Switch games onto the Deck, it can easily be seen as promoting piracy via a new console. There are great reasons to emulate, and to my understanding, you can do it legally, but considering how rampant piracy can be, I at least understand why.
I guess I'm part of that percentage then! Switch owner with plenty of games for the system and fully intend to try some emulation as a comparison between the two haha.
Switch I can understand even if I disagree with it, but Dolphin?
Dolphin video too.
So yeah, I stand by what I said: Nintendo hates when people enjoy their games.
There has to be hundreds if not thousands of videos of Dolphin running on different devices.
Every handheld computer, every laptop, every new PC graphics card, every Android phone, etc.
Maybe re-release stuff like F-Zero GX if you don't want people to emulate your old games anymore Nintendo. I've still got my disc of that safe and secure, but I'd much rather play bit in higher resolution on a handheld than drag my old Wii out to play it.
Can you buy older Nintendo games dating back to the NES digitally that you can own forever as long as you have an active Nintendo account? Make access easy, support history.
They are constantly requesting videos to be taking down far more than anyone else on YouTube. Lots of popular streamers have been very vocal about this, so please tell me why they are the most active in takedown requests?
Also of course they can make new hardware, they all do. Trouble is Nintendo does not see the need to follow what others are doing or feel they need to keep up with current technology. This has led to other issues, namely some games can only be streamed.
The better question is why do people want to emulate Nintendo software to begin with? Perhaps that is because access is limited and/or the hardware is falling behind. I have seen very cool video of upgraded older Nintendo games looking very good and/or running smoother. I own a Switch, I would be the perfect candidate to purchase a $500 system that allowed things like Zelda Breath of the Wild to upscale to a higher resolution and a locked 30fps, but I guess Nintendo cannot magically make that kind of hardware...
I would prefer nintendo not to do this, but how can anyone get mad them for discouraging piracy of their products? I would also think its against youtube's rules to allow videos that promote illegal activity - which pirating games is. even if they choose not to enforce those rules in many instances, claims against them on that basis are totally legitimate.
That's fine to be critical of how aggressive Nintendo is taking down videos, but the topic that this thread about is about them taking down videos with regards to their IP of current on the market games being used to show off emulation on another company's hardware that is getting a lot of spotlight because it's Valve. Explain to me what opportunity there is in this instance of what the thread is about for Nintendo to leave them up?
Their current hardware is selling like crazy still and doing record numbers for them. As long as it keeps selling, that means there is clear demand for what they currently have so why should they disrupt their current business model that is doing extremely well for them? I've been waiting for the Switch Pro just as much as anyone based on the rumors, but I'm not going to fault them for doing what is working really well for them and still selling extremely well.
I'm a big proponent of emulation and game preservation, but I'm not going to sit here and ignore that a lot of people like emulation because it's easy access to games without paying for them. Emulation is completely legal, but unfortunately a lot of people use it for illegal means. No doubt there's plenty of people who want to use emulation to enhance their games, do neat modifications, and other legitimate things with it but there are likely way more people who just want to play games without paying for them. Despite being a big proponent of emulation and preservation, I know that's the reality of the world. I also know Nintendo has to protect their interests for things that are currently being sold on the market so I understand why Nintendo wants to do this too.
So I ask again, what opportunity are they missing out on here with the topic at hand? You have legitimate gripes about Nintendo in general, but with regards to the topic of the thread, I don't see this missed opportunity they have by leaving it up.
They can and are, but it has nothing to do with the Steam Deck or videos of Switch emulation on the Steam Deck. They're on their own timeline.
I'd love for one of these Youtubers to actually fight this since I'm pretty sure this is covered under fair use, but I totally understand why everyday people have other stuff to worry about.
Sony lost a lawsuit that let Bleem advertise their for-profit emulator with screenshots of first party games. I don't see why doing the same thing on the Steam Deck would be any different unless a court decides that using a 3 minute clip instead of a screenshot of a video game is a substantial part of a 40 hour game.
Sony lost a lawsuit that let Bleem advertise their for-profit emulator with screenshots of first party games. I don't see why doing the same thing on the Steam Deck would be any different unless a court decides that using a 3 minute clip instead of a screenshot of a video game is a substantial part of a 40 hour game.
The DMCA tells Google to side with Nintendo be default since the takedown notices are supposed to be done by a lawyer that has considered the fair use implications on penalty of perjury.
Lol, supposed to, and reality doesn't match up in MOST of these DMCA takedowns. The situation sucks. Would love to see some consequences for these lawyers.