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Nintendo Switch is about to surpass 3DS in number of available games in NA
- Thread starter Atheerios
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Go Vacation charted in my country, it was even in the top 5. Still in the top 30 I think.
Switch has more higher rated games on metacritic, it beats the 3DS by quantity and quality by those metrics.
Why not play Breath of the Wild, Hollow Knight, Steamworld Dig 2 or Okami HD instead? Your argument is really disingenuous.
You're comparing Astro Bears, a game that sells for $1, with games that costs 40 times more?
How about valid comparisons, like comparing Steamworld Dig 2 with Samus Returns?
every console has a big quantity of shovelware.
every single console.
Now you're just being disingenuous by comparing top titles to Switch shovelware and not doing the same for the opposite.
"So I'm going to play Super Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild instead of Pet Zombies, Carnival Games Wild West 3D, or Face Racers Photo Finish, thanks."
See how stupid you sound?
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That's insane but also kinda scary for discoverability. Like, yay for the Switch, but I would hate for good games to get drowned out by piles of garbage just by the nature of the system being the new hotness. It's only going to get worse with time.
I won't buy or play that $1 waste of space, but it's counted as a "game" here. That's how.
Steamworld Dig 2 is on 3DS, so if I want to have both that and Samus Returns on the same system, I can actually do that on 3DS.
I know there are some good indie games, but they don't remove the flood of total crap that plagues SW.
Switch has waaaaaay too much shovelware and the store is a mess to navigate. Nintendo is doing a disservice to everyone producing quality titles on for their console.
This thread is about the number of games, and the sheer numbers of terrible shovelware completely overwhelm actual releases like that on SW.
OH there absolutely is. I think Sony does a better job with their store front but there is a massive amount of absolute garbage on PS store
Now that is another garbage and disingenuous argument to make when you deliberately focused on making the comparison one-sided by hilariously ignoring the games that the Switch has that are arguably of Samus Returns' and ALBW's quality.
Don't use the "t-this thread is about numbers!!!" card when you knew what you were doing.
In what way? If you buy a game like Okami HD, how do other games released on the platform affect that?
Sounds like easily provable facts then. Go ahead and give us the total number of games one can play on the 3DS that are rated 80 or higher (including DS titles) and the number of Switch games in the same range.
Here you go, though you could have easily checked this yourself. All time lists, last title at or above 80 is 89 on 3ds, last title at or above 80 is 104 on the switch.
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Because they're games everyone can play on their 3DS. Why wouldn't you include them?
Well they're not 3DS games, for one. You compare like for like, so the 3DS library to the Switch library
Any game I can stick into my 3DS, or download and play is a game in my 3DS library. That's the beauty of backwards compatibility.
Because when you look at software released on a new system you are looking at actually titles published for it. Using backwards compatibility to say "to say the 3DS has a better library of games because it plays none 3DS games" defeats the purpose. Those aren't 3DS games, they are DS games.
When many people buy a console or handheld, they look at all available games for it. Regardless. You can't just pretend DS games aren't playable on every 3DS.
If you think the 3DS eshop wasn't full of crap like Imagine Baby or Fantasy Petz etc that vastly outnumber the games worth playing on 3DS, I don't know what to say. Any popular platform has a huge percentage of shovelware and that absolutely includes the GameBoy, GBA, DS and 3DS. None of that means than a platform with a 1000+ games doesn't still have several hundred worth playing.
The issue is one of visibility- that the Switch just lists stuff in release order is both a good thing if you are a regular visitor and a bad thing if you're after something specific. I always disliked the way everything was buried under multiple banners on 3DS but it did disguise the shovelware that was pumped out.
We should probably note that a chunk of those games (on the front page, Pokemon Go is listed, for example) haven't released, so if future releases are listed, then I wouldn't say 3DS is about to be surpassed. If you go on the Playstation Store, you'll get 3000 matches for PS4, but some are different editions and some haven't released. Still a ton of options, of course.
Sorry to be that pedantic guy. =P I'm sure Switch won't have trouble surpassing number of games for 3DS.
This, too.
Sorry to be that pedantic guy. =P I'm sure Switch won't have trouble surpassing number of games for 3DS.
This, too.
The premise of this thread is centered around the fact that the Switch is reaching the amount of games on the 3DS. The argument brought forward was that a lot of those games on Switch are of poor quality in comparison to the 3DS, adding DS games to inflate the 3DS number makes no sense and you know it.
The opening is comparing published 3DS games vs published Switch games. The fact that backwards compatibility exists is nice for users but you don't add multiple hardware libraries together. That is flawed. And it super ignores the mass market doesn't buy any significant portion of last gen software when newer gens release. Software sales fall off a cliff when next generations start.
Except no one is talking about backwards compatibility. The library specifically mentions games that were developed for and meant to be played on the 3DS, it's why you see Nintendo DS and Nintendo 3DS being completely separate on the site.
Ridiculous take...on 3DS people had to sugar coat that subpar 2D Castlevania bei Mercury Steam because it was the next best thing...on Switch barely a year old I can get three tip tier Metroidvania games for the price of Castlevania on 3DS.
How long did you had to wait for Samia Returns on 3DS ? Look what Switch offers in that genre not even 2 years old and with many more coming and announced.
Steamworld Dig 2, Hollow Knight and Dead Cell > pretty much everything 3DS ever recieved during that period.
Nope - The eShop does have a lot of games but Nintendo does a good shop of curating games. You cannot just create a game and release it on the Switch. Nintendo does have a minimum quality bar and it shows. Also, they are getting about the same number of games and the Xbox One and I would assume they are getting the same number of games as the PS4. I strongly suspect they get fewer games than Steam. Why does Nintendo get "too many" games when no one complains about the number of games coming to other platforms?
Not to mention poster is comparing the near entirity of the 3DS library to the current Switch one not even 2 years in. They Stacked the deck and still couldn't make a convincing point.
Switch library is that good.
False, using the same metric as before the switch also has more titles on metacritic rated above 80 than on the wii last title at or above 80 is 101
The 3DS's store was slow and hard to navigate. It also didn't do a good job of helping you find the game which were released since your last visit. The Switch's store is better than the Xbox One's store and the PS4's store (that's not saying much because both stores are meh). Here is why the Switch's store is better:
A) It's faster
B) It's simpler (less work to get places)
Here is where it needs to improve:
1) Like every other store, it's basically a database front end. Real stores help people find the best content on the system. They have humans who go through all of the games, find out which ones people love and highlight them so other people buy them,
2) It needs human game categorization (never let publishers categorize games because they will do stupid things like claim Ninja Gaiden 2 is a "fighting game").
3) It should show people how long paying customers play games on average. It should only include customers who started the game and played for at least 2 minutes.
4) Nintendo should use system telemetry to determine which games people like and promote those games.
They're games that are playable on the 3DS, true, but they weren't games developed for the 3DS. For example, when the DS's library is compared to the PSP's, the GBA, GBC, and GB isn't added alongside it. For most people, when they brought a DS, it was for DS games, not to go out and get GB games
I never saw any shovelware on the 3DS or Switch. Are there a lot of indie titles? Yup. Is that bad? Nope. Nintendo does a good job screening games and making sure all of the games released on the system are at least decent games.
Also, on the old forum, I remember a lot of people talking about how the PS Vita was great indie machine. Presumable this was because you could play a lot of indie games on it. No one complained abut the Vita getting "too many" indie games. Even now, there are a fair number of Vita thread and no complains about the number of indie games on the PS Vita. So, why is it a problem that Nintendo systems get indie games but why wasn't it a problem when the PS Vita got indie games?
The Vita thing was always in relation to 3DS, so it made sense to talk it up. Now that Sony isn't playing in that space, it's ok to hate on the idea of playing indie games on the go despite the fact that 2018 indies are an order of magnitude more successful/prominent than during the Vita /3DS era.
To put things into perspective according to metacritic which lists very roughly a third of the number of titles listed on these store fronts.
Titles that scored 80 or above represent
22.3% of the total number of ps4 titles
27.9% of the total number of switch titles
22.8% of the total number of 3DS titles
Of course the PS4 has around 3 times more titles in general than the other two listed systems I believe which has a tendency to skew that number lower.
Could you please provide some examples? How about you go through the last two months of releases and tell us which ones are "trash" and which ones are "good"? My guess is you are to have a hard time doing this because a lot of the "trash" games are actually pretty good (remember, just because you don't like something doesn't make it "trash"). Here is link to the Switch's notable new release: https://www.nintendo.com/games/nintendo-switch-new-releases. Here is a link to all of Switch's new releases:https://www.nintendo.com/games/game...tch|now|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|release|des|- .
With your reasoning, the Wii U also had a better software library than the Switch, since the Wii U was backwards compatible with the Wii. But that doesn't reflect the reality, since some Wii games were discontinued and very difficult to find during the Wii U days.
I personally would've done the search on 70 Metacritic because I believe 70 and up are good to great games but that's pretty good.
I like to do these comparisons 1 to 1 to keep things fair. If it holds, I'll admit to being impressed.
When Kishima (former Nintendo president. I've been playing Persona 5 and I'm mixing up my names) said the they'll be 30 releases per week on the Switch I thought the quality of the eShop Switch games would've dropped drastically but it seems to be holding up.
It's holding up because the Switch is to a very large part getting games that were already good and successful on other platforms. They wouldn't have been able to pull the same off 5 years ago.
Yeah, I tend to forget that a lot of what's coming to Switch are established ports already. Games that already well known and successful on other platforms. I don't say that in a negative way because I love the ports.
Even though I still feel it's best to make those comparisons when there's a equal amount of games on each side. Also there's so much quality on the 3DS that I'm not ready to acknowledge my/the Switch just yet. It still needs the Pokémon, Smash, Shin Megami Tensei, and others to hold a candle to the 3DS.
Pretty much, it'll go down once the platform receives a higher proportion of day and date releases but to act as if the switch is some shovelware heaven currently in comparison to other current platforms is just nonsense.
Unfortunately, I bet you are right. Since the Switch launched, there has been an awful lot a mudsling at the platform and it's really strange because the Switch is a great piece of hardware with great software. It's not perfect but Nintendo clearly did a great job and I wish more people would give them credit and give them constructive criticism instead of BS like the eShop is full of "trash" and "shovel ware".