Nintendo Switch Lite announced at $199, launches September 20th, "dedicated handheld" (smaller, has D-Pad, has gyro, no HD Rumble, no dock/TV output)

Which colour Nintendo Switch Lite is your favourite?

  • Grey

    Votes: 654 19.6%
  • Yellow

    Votes: 739 22.2%
  • Turquoise

    Votes: 1,199 36.0%
  • Pokémon Sword and Shield Edition

    Votes: 737 22.1%

  • Total voters
    3,329

fossi8

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Apr 22, 2018
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So noe we have the standard version @300 USD , Lite version @200 without the features we already know.

Now suppose the Pro version will come @400 , besides more power what other features do you think needs to include? Ethernet port? Voice chat? Third party apps?
 

Axecidentally

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really like the pokemon limited edition one, the white buttons and sticks on the regular editions don't inspire me confidence. I know they shouldn't have any problems at all, but yeah.... I'm kinda "programmed" to not like white buttons and sticks.
 
Dec 18, 2018
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I think this is a cool looking device at an attractive price point.
I don’t own a Switch yet and the original model doesn’t seem too convenient for handheld play. On the other hand, I’d definitely like to play some games on a TV, so I’m a bit conflicted on what to get. I’ll wait to hear impressions about the Lite, hopefully the screen will be better than the current model.

As a general comment, the presence of high-end smartphone screens is really bad for Nintendo handhelds. The 3DS and Switch look terrible in comparison.
The switch is convenient for handheld, I use it as handheld every day. It feels great. Then when I get home I play it docked.
 

Spish!

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Oct 27, 2017
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So the old model should cannibalize the new model? Much better
It probably should TBH since the original Switch is really big for a portable. However there are people who might want a tablet sized Switch with bundled dock and joycon.

Honestly not seeing how the lack of an option for those who want enhanced portability with TV out is better, but maybe it's because I'm not taking the stance of defending corporate decisions over my own interests.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I know this may have been asked but here goes:

do we know if the joysticks have seen any improvements? I really don;t want to have to blow air in them or worry about drifting. Unlike the current model, if something goes wrong here, the entire unit will have to be sent for repair
 

mikehaggar

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Oct 26, 2017
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USB-C to hdmi is bleeding edge tech
I honestly do not know enough about the tech that the Switch and dock use to know whether the $90 price for the dock is reasonable or absurd. I do know that Nintendo would make more money selling someone a $200 lite then having them purchase a $90 dock and $70 joycons separately. And I know Nintendo likes money. So... I really think there was just no way to have the lite be dockable and hit the $199 price point.

Of course, stranger things have happened and I could be totally wrong.
 

WestEgg

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm interested to see tear-downs and estimated cost to produce, because I'm guessing this unit is far cheaper to produce than the OG Switch. Removing the HD Rumble and IR Camera, along with producing the unit in one piece and eliminating the connecting railing and whatnot is probably a pretty significant savings for material and production. The NFC and gyro are still in though, so it's not like it's just a gameboy as far as the controller is concerned. The battery and screen are smaller, but I don't know if the higher PPI would offset savings using a smaller size. The Dock and HDMI chord aren't included, so it's assumedly just a USB charger as far as extra pack ins go. So losing all that, combined with lighter weight for shipping and packaging probably is pretty significant.

Edit: This is not a criticism of the system, I'm just curious about it from a technical point.
 

Bowser

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Nov 7, 2017
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I'm surprised that the Lite cannot be docked. I thought for sure that Nintendo wouldn't pass up the opportunity to sell people standalone docks and joycons. My guess is that there's no way they could include the ability for the Lite to have tv out and still hit the $199 price-point. I'm interested to see what people discover about the internals once these are released.
They could have perfectly made it dockable, but I think they just wanted to make the device as different as possible from the hybrid Switch.
 

Kreed

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Oct 25, 2017
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That is the real shocker. Up selling people on Joycons and pro controllers seem like a no brainer. I wonder if t no tv out was a techincal or a business decision? And if it was early on that it lead to them to chucking HD rumble too?
Technically they are still doing that since people will need them for games like Mario Party, or even in the modes of some games like Super Mario Maker 2. Either way they still want people buying the original Switch and you can tell just from this thread alone that the TV out option is significant enough of a feature that the "cheap/kid friendly" model would have cannibalized the original model sales.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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It probably should TBH since the original Switch is really big for a portable. However there are people who might want a tablet sized Switch with bundled dock and joycon.

Honestly not seeing how the lack of an option for those who want enhanced portability with TV out is better, but maybe it's because I'm not taking the stance of defending corporate decisions over my own interests.
I'm digging the passive agressive insult. Well done. Its also fine to ask a company cannibalize its own success. Just like its okay to think that it would be a dumb move. Or a fuck up big time as some would say.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I agree. I have several devices, LCD and OLED, 1080p, 4K, SDR, HDR, and the Switch screen is just fantastic for being "only" 720p.
More importantly, it would be utterly pointless as a great many Switch games struggle to reach / maintain 720p in handheld mode. You could stick a cutting-edge 4K panel in the thing, but games would generally look worse than they do on the existing screen.
 

Aleh

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Oct 27, 2017
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I’m not sure if people complaining about 720p realize the Switch has to run graphics intensive games unlike phones and tablets.
 

Pargon

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Oct 27, 2017
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Looks good, but what about a Switch Lite like this:

I'm not entirely happy with how it turned out, but here you go:




"Terribly battery life" man the trolls are really out in full force today lol.

Yes, an HD handheld device that plays console games for 3-6 hours on a charge (probably closer to 4.5 hours on average) that is easily charged by a small battery pack for another 3+ hours is terrible. I guess most every handheld device is terrible then.
Officially, demanding games like Breath of the Wild get ~3 hours on a full charge. My experience is that it was closer to 2. They don't specify, but it was probably tested at something like 25% brightness to get those numbers.
It's a significant drop compared to previous handheld systems like the n3DS XL which regularly exceeded its "3.5 to 6.5 hours" rating for me.

[…] As for game saves, you can either transfer your saves to the new device, or use Nintendo Switch Online cloud saves to sync the saves between different devices.
*except for the games which don't permit this.
The Switch is not really set up for people to own multiple consoles - and certainly not for people to seamlessly continue progress across multiple devices.
It was designed around taking your home Switch on-the-go with you, instead of owning a Switch/Pro that stays at home and a Lite that you carry around.

They really should have kept TV-out as an option if people wanted to buy a dock (or cable) for the Lite.
I don't think thermal constraints are the issue at all -I'm sure it was a cost-reducing measure- but if they were, they should have supported TV-out with the games running in handheld mode instead.

Pretty sure Bluetooth will be one of the features the new hybrid model will have, it'll be one of those features aimed at 'avid gamers'.
I would be surprised if that was the case. I think if they were going to license a Bluetooth audio codec, they'd probably update all systems to support it.
But people are going to be in for a shock if they do add Bluetooth support, as Bluetooth audio latency is very noticeable in games.

You're sticking up for a 720p screen right now. Even the bargain basement tablets are 800p.
Display quality is more important than resolution.
But the Switch doesn't even render most games natively at 720p in handheld mode, so I don't see the need for a higher resolution display.

I would have preferred it if the Switch had a 480p3D display rather than a 720p2D one.
At least then every game would be rendered natively, and look sharp instead of blurry. And I'm not going to get over how much I miss 3D. The original 3DS was bad, but the Super-Stable 3D on the new 3DS models -at least the ones with IPS display panels- looks amazing.
 
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thebishop

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Nov 10, 2017
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More importantly, it would be utterly pointless as a great many Switch games struggle to reach / maintain 720p in handheld mode. You could stick a cutting-edge 4K panel in the thing, but games would generally look worse than they do on the existing screen.
I agree with this, and I don't mean to knock the Switch for having a low res screen.

I'm just pushing back against the idea that the Switch is such special hardware that it can't do the things people want it to do for a reasonable price. Isn't a major point of Nintendo's conservative hardware strategy to come in at a great value?
 

tyraniboah

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Oct 27, 2017
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Solid

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Oct 27, 2017
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Where did you read it doesn’t have any rumble? It just appears to be the HD rumble.

8bitdo controllers have regular rumble and work fine, so there is no limitation.
They ‘work fine’ but it’s a rough translation at best and you can tell it’s not the sort of rumble that the game was originally designed for
Not that it matters much to me, HD Rumble is basically cellphone haptics and the fact that Nintendo actually got people to treat HD Rumble like some compelling new thing still mystifies me to this day
 

thepenguin55

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can you still use the pro controller with it, it doesn’t say they just keep mentioning joy cons.
Yeah but the system doesn't have a built in kick stand so you would need a case or a cover that would let you stand the system up
Yes, for all except a select few (albeit prominent ones - Splatoon 2, animal crossing, Pokemon) which don't have cloud saves (something related to cheating through save file manipulation), in which case for those specifically you would need to click on "transfer save" on one Switch and "receive save" on the other before you go out, so much less seamless. But this is only for those games.
Interesting. I haven't really had much reason to put the cloud saving functionality to the test but I knew some games were exceptions. The save transfer function actually sounds more convenient than I would expect from Nintendo. lol. I hate that I'm seriously contemplating getting the Lite as my travel Switch...
I already own one. I was interested in improving the quality of life for the portable aspect of the Switch all while retaining the actual thing it’s known for, switching between console and portable. I don’t care to have a “Switch” that doesn’t switch. Why argue for a less attractive package that retains that functionality?
I think it's mostly shocking because they're sacrificing that theme probably mostly to save a very little amount of money? I really can't imagine the cost to keep that tech in there would've been all that much in the grand scheme of things but I could be totally wrong...
I think it's more Nintendo still wants people to buy an OG Switch, and to be fair if the Lite was dockable, what would be the incentive to still grab an OG Switch over it? I think it would kill the original Switch
I thought about that but maybe the fact that this system can't be docked actually says more about a higher powered Switch (or Switch Pro) being further off than we all expected? Or maybe the power bump is such a minor one that they won't be rebranding it? Cause if a powerful Switch Pro was just around the corner then I don't think Nintendo would've been too bothered by the Lite cannibalizing the sales of the base Switch a little as they would've been fazing it out anyway.
Anyone else struggling to work out which colour to go for?

They're all good, but it's hard to know how distracting the colour would be, especially with the bezels sharing the colour too, unlike the later Vita Slims.
Yeah, the yellow one is weird because in some pictures it looks yellow and it some it looks gold. Also, I'm not even a Pokemon fan but that white one with the blue & red buttons/sticks is gorgeous. I just wish the Pokemon Switch Lite wasn't coming out in November and that it didn't have Pokemon on the back. lol

On the topic of bezels, I'm generally not bothered by thick bezels but with this system being noticeably smaller it would've been nice if the Lite didn't really have one.
 
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Meatwad

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought about that but maybe the fact that this system can't be docked actually says more about a higher powered Switch (or Switch Pro) being further off than we all expected? Or maybe the power bump is such a minor one that they won't be rebranding it? Cause if a powerful Switch Pro was just around the corner then I don't think Nintendo would've been too bothered by the Lite cannibalizing the sales of the base Switch a little as they would've been fazing it out anyway.
I honestly don't know. Without knowing exactly what the Switch Pro is, it's hard to speculate on that end
 

kitchenmotors

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Oct 25, 2017
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They ‘work fine’ but it’s a rough translation at best and you can tell it’s not the sort of rumble that the game was originally designed for
Not that it matters much to me, HD Rumble is basically cellphone haptics and the fact that Nintendo actually got people to treat HD Rumble like some compelling new thing still mystifies me to this day
It’s an improvement over regular rumble and you can bet the other two implement it into their next systems. How is it mystifying if a company creates something that is better than what came before and use it for marketing? It’s common sense.
 

Goldenroad

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Nov 2, 2017
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I'm really considering this purchase. I don't own a Switch and said I wasn't going to buy one until Metroid Prime 4 comes out, which could be a next gen title for all we know, but my issue is not knowing which upcoming games are going be playable on it. It seems like all the games I'm really interested in playing on it are currently supported, but what if Metroid Prime 4 can only be played with detachable Joycons?

If that were the case and I bought one now I'd be pretty pissed off, so I'm guessing I know the answer, but has Nintendo said yet if that game or any other upcoming games (ie. BOTW 2, Bayo 3, etc) are going to be playable on this or not, or should I just continue my plan of waiting until MP4 comes out to buy a Switch?

Further to that, are people who own the non-lite Switch going to be pissed off if most Nintendo games going forward don't end up requiring detachable Joycons because they want their games to be able to be played by as many Switch/Switch Lite owners as possible?
 

kitchenmotors

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How would that help solve the issue of making a smaller sturdier handheld for smaller children? That is clearly a main target for this.
It’s quite baffling how something so simple, a smaller/cheaper/simplified version of a popular gaming device for families, children and lower income people, is a hard concept for all these hardcore gamers to understand. This device is for a target audience, it’s not meant to replace the original Switch, yet people are acting like the Lite is already a failure because they don’t see value in it.

Hell, I don’t see value in half the things that “hardcore” gamers love to go on about, but I know there’s a market for that. I just choose to ignore it and not spend my money on any of it.
 
Feb 10, 2018
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Anyone else wish the Lite was smaller? I wanted something the size of a PS Vita, but this appears to be much longer.

Edit: On second thought, I think it's the square edges. I wish they were rounded.
Yes I would of liked it smaller, but it's only 1/2 longer on each side and 0.4inch taller then the vita, so it's a slightly bigger vita, plus it has a bigger screen then the vita.
 

Solid

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Oct 27, 2017
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It’s an improvement over regular rumble and you can bet the other two implement it into their next systems. How is it mystifying if a company creates something that is better than what came before and use it for marketing? It’s common sense.
It’s not ‘better’, it’s not a linear improvement over old rumble, it’s just different. I like HD Rumble but Switch uses ‘HD Rumble’ because ‘HD Rumble’ could fit in the the Joy Con where large physical motors could not. Nintendo intelligently leveraged the novelty stemming from that unique approach to rumble, but it’s still just cellphone haptics, literally. The best rumble would be a combo of physical motor rumble, XB trigger rumble, and HD rumble, because you’d get a wider range of feedback than any individual solution could produce on its own, without losing range. HD Rumble, like motor rumble, can create sensations that the other rumble solution can’t, but neither can replicate the feel of the other on its own.
 
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KillingJoke

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Oct 27, 2017
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I disagree completely. This way the playerbase isn't split and Nintendo keeps OG Switch owners happy, while still opening the market up to new Switch owners.

There's also the fact that Nintendo wanted to release a replacement to the 3DS in the form of a small handheld.
How would that help solve the issue of making a smaller sturdier handheld for smaller children? That is clearly a main target for this.
A pro console doesn't split anything. They could have kept this new design and TV ouput. To say TV output is worth a $100 difference is ridiculous. Switch is and will always be primarily a handheld system. To make a cheaper half baked version makes no sense to me. I would rather wait for a 199 switch then get a gimped one.
 

LegendofLex

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Nov 20, 2017
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I'm really considering this purchase. I don't own a Switch and said I wasn't going to buy one until Metroid Prime 4 comes out, which could be a next gen title for all we know, but my issue is not knowing which upcoming games are going be playable on it. It seems like all the games I'm really interested in playing on it are currently supported, but what if Metroid Prime 4 can only be played with detachable Joycons?

If that were the case and I bought one now I'd be pretty pissed off, so I'm guessing I know the answer, but has Nintendo said yet if that game or any other upcoming games (ie. BOTW 2, Bayo 3, etc) are going to be playable on this or not, or should I just continue my plan of waiting until MP4 comes out to buy a Switch?

Further to that, are people who own the non-lite Switch going to be pissed off if most Nintendo games going forward don't end up requiring detachable Joycons because they want their games to be able to be played by as many Switch/Switch Lite owners as possible?
I wouldn't worry about any of this. Every single-player focused game Nintendo releases is fully playable in handheld mode. And Nintendo isn't going to stop supporting any of its controller options when they all have support for parity with handheld mode. Even the weird controller limitations (no Pro support in some games) seem to have no impact on handheld mode.
 

blondkayvon

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Oct 26, 2017
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It’s quite baffling how something so simple, a smaller/cheaper/simplified version of a popular gaming device for families, children and lower income people, is a hard concept for all these hardcore gamers to understand. This device is for a target audience, it’s not meant to replace the original Switch, yet people are acting like the Lite is already a failure because they don’t see value in it.

Hell, I don’t see value in half the things that “hardcore” gamers love to go on about, but I know there’s a market for that. I just choose to ignore it and not spend my money on any of it.
People aren't actually that obtuse, they just like to concern troll. It's like the LABO thread all over again: IT'S NOT FOR ME AND THEREFORE IT'S DUMB AND IT SUCKS.
 

giallo

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know this may have been asked but here goes:

do we know if the joysticks have seen any improvements? I really don;t want to have to blow air in them or worry about drifting. Unlike the current model, if something goes wrong here, the entire unit will have to be sent for repair
This is the sole reason I won't get this version. The analog sticks on the Switch are still a disaster in 2019, and Nintendo has said nothing to address these problems, and how they are going forward to improve them. It's been total radio silence at their end. Without the ability to change the joycons out or use a pro controller, the Switch Lite is one analog stick malfunction away from being totally useless.